Talk:Single User Login finalisation announcement

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Translation of email confirmation request[edit]

Pgehres let us know that global accounts with clashing local accounts with get emails to let them merge all they can, to reduce the number of users to be renamed. There aren't many translations though[1]; you can translate the two messages on translatewiki.net. --Nemo 23:11, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Have these e-mails already been sent? I think the Dutch version definitely needs improvement, the present text is confusing. But apparently this mail text is not on a Wikimedia site but on Translatewiki, a site which I did not know up to now. Bever (talk) 22:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello Bever, the emails have not been sent yet so you are still on time. Don't worry about translatewiki.net, it's easy to get started: use translatewiki:Special:FirstSteps if you didn't already. That's where all software translations happen. Thanks for reviewing the translation. --Nemo 17:43, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
The main reason for changing the translation was the problematic translation of the word 'account' in the old version; also the second paragraph was incomplete and incorrect. I was a bit liberal with my revision, though, breaking up the second paragraph for better readability. It seems that the user messages have sometimes rather long sentences which I deem to be better readable in Dutch when I break them up. I don't know whether this is due to a difference between Dutch and English, or to the personal writing style of the person who wrote these messages.
I have 2 questions about the text:
  1. The message says, "your main account being on {{SITENAME}}". As I understand it, this 'magic word' would show as 'Wikipedia' or 'Wiktionary' or so in most cases, without indication of the language version. Does this make sense, and is it useful information, or is it meant to be, for example, en.wikipedia.org or 'the English language Wikipedia'?
  2. The message also says, "Your email address has been set as associated with the account "$2" on all Wikimedia projects". This is only true if there are no conflicting accounts. So will this message be sent on 'finalisation day', when all conflicting accounts already have been renamed? My first impression was that the message would be send before, to decrease the number of account clashes before the final finalisation. Bever (talk) 20:59, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello Bever! Thanks for your translation. You are free to translate as you see fit; the English source however was prepared by the WMF so you should ask them (when they decide who's going to work on this). Now to your two questions.
  1. The Single User Login finalisation announcement/Personal announcement contains one "magic word" which is just a placeholder, {{WIKI}}: this is a notice on the talkpage of each involved local account, so it will be replaced with the suffix corresponding to each local wiki.
  2. The documentation at MediaWiki:Centralauth-finishglobaliseemail body/qqq doesn't tell, but I think we can assume only one email will be sent for each global account with an email address: so what "SITENAME" resolves to is not particularly important, it only says that there is a global account; the subdomain will presumably be in link $3. Usernames without any global account, or emails associated only to local account(s), won't receive that email, but only the (later, per-wiki) talk page notification; I agree this is not super-clear from the text, but I'm not sure how it could be expressed in a compact and understandable way. If one doesn't understand and doesn't act, they'll receive the further notification as a reminder... --Nemo 10:00, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

This may get used in few days; translation doesn't harm! --Nemo 19:06, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Status?[edit]

What is the status of this? Is it going to be scheduled sometime this year? Should we propose to users to wait for it instead of requesting renames in every wiki? -Geraki TL 07:21, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea, but maybe Jdforrester knows. @Geraki: could you please update your sig by removing "http:"? It will work on HTTPS if you do so. PiRSquared17 (talk) 01:27, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Done, thanks for the note. --Geraki TL 08:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
You could also use the shorter variant Special:Log/Geraki. --Stefan2 (talk) 16:13, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Some content was recently added to mw:Wikimedia MediaWiki Core Team/Quarterly review, January 2014#SUL finalisation by User:DGarry (WMF). The section doesn't say much, though. --Stefan2 (talk) 16:13, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Update[edit]

SUL finalization is back in progress; I hope to have it finished by Spring '15. Engineering is finishing up by the end of September to provide users, Stewards, and renamers with the proper forms and tools. After that messaging will commence to all accounts that will be affected by this change. Overall this is a community-driven process, I'm here to help facilitate between the communities, Stewards, and WMF engineering to make sure we get this done properly and timely. Dan Garry is the product manager for this and he is posting monthly updates on Mediawiki. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:12, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Keegan's optimism aside, please bear in mind that we don't have a confirmed date for the finalisation yet. Spring 2015 seems sensible, but I am not ready to promise this yet. :-) --Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 23:02, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
"I hope" were the two key words ;) Keegan (WMF) (talk) 23:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

RenameUser announcement[edit]

I'm not sure it's particularly useful to ask people to visit MergeAccount: IIRC the same thing happens automatically when one logs in now, doesn't it? The bulk of unmerged usernames is with the accounts not logging in for more than one year, who are unlikely to see this message. --Nemo 11:56, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't think so; I frequently see that a user who just edited still has no global account (even though it is the local account which is eligible for obtaining the global one). --MF-W 11:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Maybe their passwords don't match? $wgCentralAuthAutoMigrate uses [2] and that caught most cases, but sure, visiting MergeAccount never harms. :) --Nemo 13:05, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Here a user said all his accounts have the same password. He chose not to visit Special:MergeAccount with the one account, and there is no global account yet. --MF-W 13:22, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Nemo, what do you mean should happen automatically when you log in? Are you saying that Central Auth is supposed to create a global account automatically, attach the user with the greatest claim to that user name, and then also attach everyone else who happens to share the same password? As far as I can tell, this isn't happening. For example, sulutil:FredrikT and sulutil:NickK are both very active on the project where they have the greatest claim to the global account, but there is no global account for those user names. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
    No, that's not what I was saying; but indeed I misremembered, the automatic merge on login happens only if a global account already exists. I don't think per-wiki Special:MergeAccount races are a sustainable approach: if we wanted to unify everything at all costs we could do so for everyone. I've filed Bug 70392 – Allow to automatically unify on login absent clashes: does it make sense? --Nemo 10:31, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
    Fixed by Legoktm! Hard to make predictions, but it potentially affects, over 6 months, 150 thousands local usernames and 3? times as many "sister" accounts. --Nemo 06:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Rename format[edit]

I am very glad that this plan is on the move again! It is annoying to have to log out and log on when switching between languages (because my main user name is still reserved for other people at some places).

There may still be room for detail criticism. Last year, User Wnt criticized the format for the renamed users. See the archive page. The tilde is an awkward choice, some people may have difficulties with typing this. For example, when followed by an n or a vowel, the tilde is places above the character (ñ, ã, õ) instead of before it, on many computers. Also the suffixes are rather long. Therefore I support Wnt's proposal to use a hyphen instead, I think there will be little cases where this would result in a new conflict. Also for Wikipedia names, the suffix could be shortened to -en or -enw or -enwp instead of ~enwiki, which is not very informative anyway, aren't all WikiMedia sites wikis? Bever (talk) 03:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I can confirm the ~ problem. Swedish keyboards do not contain any ~ key, only a "dead_tilde" key which produces a ~ symbol if you press the dead_tilde key followed by a space. On the other hand, if you press "dead_tilde" followed by "a", "n" or "o", the ~ ends up on top of the letter. If the dead_tilde is followed by some other key, the behaviour is different depending on which operating system you use. For example, "dead_tilde" followed by another "dead_tilde" produces one ~ under Linux but two ~~ under Windows. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:31, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
The tilde is also not printed on Italian keyboards, though it's usually available with appropriate combinations. I got the impression that the username format was chosen under the assumption nobody would actually need to type the new usernames, given a) possibility to log in with old username and password, b) easy renames to usernames of one's own choice. However, I agree the assumption is a rather "risky" one. --Nemo 17:47, 5 October 2014 (UTC)