Wikivoyage/Summit

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Wikivoyage holds monthly summits, where ambassadors from each language version can come together to report and discuss interesting news in their communities with the broader Wikivoyage community. The goal is to promote interlingual coordination and cooperation, and to more generally foster a spirit of cross-wiki community and shared endeavor.

Reports should include information such as major accomplishments, features being developed or implemented, features being discussed, technical issues, events, and examples of exceptional work being done.

March 2014[edit]

de[edit]

Templates

I was busy with template programming. Besides improving the documentation of all templates we have rewritten some important templates in Lua. Some of them pick their icontent from Wikidata. These templates are new:

  • Five templates provide different content depending on: Season(2 or five seasons per year ), month, or e specific period of time given by day and month. So we can provide e.g. automatically changing images (summer and winter photos in the infobox) or changing prices in high and low season or special travel alerts one month before big events (Wacken festival, CSD ) or whatever...
  • We have rewritten all infobox (quickbar) templates. Some can fetch the information directly from Wikidata. You can see an example on the Malaysian province of Kedah. Location map and flag comes from Wikidata as well. Information from Wikidata are marked with a small sign. Contributors can use the old templates. They work as they always did. If you use a template parameter without a value, the template will look at Wikidata and fetch the information form there. If you use the value in the template, the local information always win. If you dont use the parameter, nothing happens. So u can start with the empty quickbar template, just prewritten with parameters, when you start an article and you will see, what Wikidata provides already. -- DerFussi 13:39, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Stefan, could you give us an example? Kedah seems to be using a standard, old-fashioned template. In particular, I am wondering if you have a Lua module that will properly read the number for population from Wikidata. --Alexander (talk) 00:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
How do you think the template ist standard and old-fashioned? Move your mouse over the entries and you will see what information comes from WD. The population is quite new. Numbers haven't been available form the beginning on Wikidata. Going to add it. The province infobox uses Lua-templates. Check all the quickbar templates used in the Malaysian province template. The template quickbar item fetches its content from Wikidata, if no value is porovided. -- DerFussi 07:31, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
The number of population can be fetched from WD. See Sabah. -- DerFussi 11:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! One major difficulty is that many language versions have been using the simple {{#property: syntax to retrieve information from Wikidata. You basically started from scratch and prepared a huge Lua module. Its integration into other wikis may not be straight-forward, but we have to do it... --Alexander (talk) 10:44, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
The simple {{#property: syntax is not very useful. There is no chance to format the fetched data (Thousand periods, wiki markup, image markup...). And on the other hand you can overwrite the WD-info. The local article always wins. Information is taken from WD only if there is a parameter used in a template but left empty. |capital= takes the name of the capital from WD, |capital=Berlin outputs just "Berlin" and ingnores Wikidata. The submodul Modul:Quickbar/Wikidata shows what quickbar template parameter is connected to what propery and how it should be formatted. The modul can be adapted to other languages if needed. -- DerFussi 09:14, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Credit source[edit]

You could notice that every page imported from WT had recently got a new footer with credits to the authors from WT, and there is a red link to the history page, because some not very smart person forgot to check the content of this footer. The text is stored in MediaWiki:Creditssource-credits, you can change it at your discretion and correct or even remove the red link, because it is not very clear what legal requirements are. --Alexander (talk) 00:34, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Which language version are you talking about? And I don't think it's fair to call one of your fellow contributors "not very smart". LtPowers (talk) 16:08, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I am talking about every language version, because this change was applied to all. This unknown fellow contributor is not very smart indeed because he/she tried to repair something that is not broken without even asking whether we want this or not. --Alexander (talk) 20:47, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
The footer used to be correct. Nobody has touched it. I think somebody at WMF technical stuff touched it. -- DerFussi 07:24, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
I haven't seen any problems. Maybe before we start tossing around wild accusations, we can calm down and discuss this rationally... starting with precise details about the problem, possibly including screenshots or at least links. LtPowers (talk) 17:44, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you just go to this page and check the footer, so that I don't spend more time on people who defend the destructive activity of incompetent technical staff. --Alexander (talk) 20:09, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
That problem appears to be unique to the Dutch Wikivoyage; English is not similarly afflicted. You should be able to fix it by editing voy:nl:MediaWiki:Creditssource-credits. LtPowers (talk) 21:59, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I noticed this issue on de some time ago. What do I need to change in voy:de:MediaWiki:Creditssource-credits? --Timmaexx (talk) 17:08, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you should edit this page. I am not sure how to fix the link to the article history, though. Try "[http://de.wikivoyage.org$5 Versionsgeschichte]", or remove this link completely, and feel free to modify the whole attribution message, because nobody seems to know how it should be phrased. --Alexander (talk) 19:33, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Please substitute [[$5|geschiedenispagina]] by [{{SERVER}}$5 geschiedenispagina]. --RolandUnger (talk) 16:56, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

April 2014[edit]

el[edit]

Hey everyone. I apologize for my long absence from wv Summit. I was travelling for one month and more. I noticed that el wv had no grown during my absence. Contents remain poor and no pages match our manual of style. In order to fix layout problems I previously tried to introduce voy:en:Wikivoyage:Article templates in the Greek version. At the same time I was working on dynamic maps with one of ours favourite experts, Joachim. I hope I get his help again, soon. I confirm my involvement to the project as I did long time ago (Please find a link here). The good news is that user Glorius 93 announced at lounge his intention to get administrator duties after his resignation one year ago. Shall I submit application for short terms administrator? Please let me know your ideas about. Greek wv is very weak. The lack of a teamwork is a substantial concern. Me and user Glorius 93 are the only ones doing all the work. Thanks in advance for your feedbacks on the "Cinderella" of Wikivoyage --Gobbler (talk) 21:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi! The lack of editors is a persistent problem for all language branches of Wikivoyage, and, let's be honest, nobody knows the solution. Some possible strategies are as follows: i) link all Wikivoyage articles from Greek Wikipedia; ii) contact regional Wikimedia chapter and see if they are interested in developing Greek Wikivoyage; iii) advertise Wikivoyage on traveler's forums and message boards; iv) contact local organizations, such as tourist information offices in your country, and propose cooperation. Of course, each of these routes requires a huge involvement from your side. Now, 1.5 years after the launch, it is bloody clear that Wikivoyage does not develop on its own simply because the content was moved from Wikitravel. Either you do something, constantly edit articles, tidy up content, and take care of technical innovations, or simply nothing happens. --Alexander (talk) 10:01, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your advices, Alexander. You're very receptive to opinions of other members of our community. I appreciate your availability. As you suggested, I start optimizing contents and I'll take care of technical innovation. --Gobbler (talk) 13:37, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Gobbler. From the start we at the Hebrew Wikivoyage have had a very low participation. As a result, after understanding it is up to me to do most of the tiresome work relating to building the foundation of the website by myself, I have become over time the main user developing Heb Voy (Heb Voy was launched in March 2013 mostly thanks to my efforts).
In my opinion, the amount of work which needs to be done by the "founders" of any successful Wiki project tends to be technically challenging, consumes A LOT of time, and is not always rewarding (especially when it seems that no one else want to help). Basically, in order for thousands of Greek speaking editors to eventually discover the Greek Wikivoyage and help out, it is up to you "founders" (is it only you?) to create the first decent 1000 or 2000 articles, probably mostly by yourself, making sure that they would be in a decent shape and that as a result the random readers whom would discover them sooner or later would have a much better understanding of why Wikivoyage is necessary at all (I have found that many new users tend to not understand the essential difference between Wikipedia and Wikivoyage, and as a result some would tend to write articles with large segments copied from the Wikipedia or otherwise write different articles for each site/buisness in an encylopedic style, instead of articles about major tourist destination which cover all sites loctaed in them. Your task is to be the first to guide the masses of potential Greek editors how this should be done (by making good articles and by conversing politely with the curious new editors), and try to slowly and gradually gather a community of editors.
We at the Hebrew Wikivoyage have tried most of Alexander's suggestions mentioned above (1) I tried to link all Heb Wikivoyage articles (most of whom are in the quality status "outline" or "Usable article") from Heb Wikipedia, but I was reverted and got "shouted" on for doing so because "Heb Voy articles are not yet of decent quality to deserve a link back from Heb Wikipedia" (in other words, the Heb Wikipedia community wants me to spend A LOT OF TIME writing thousands of good articles in order to get the links back on Wikipedia - this is quite a lot to ask from one or two users) (2) I contacted the Hebrew chapter of Wikimedia and that didn't really help much. All they could offer is for us Wikivoyagers to volunteer giving lectures about the project (although this offer is very kind, this means in practice that they are not willing or capable of taking the responsibility of advertising the project/initiative in media and/or web). (3) Advertising the project on Hebrew speaking Travel forums did help bring a lot more readers to the website, although some of those people only criticized the current poor state, and no one stayed to help. (4) The fourth suggestion does sound like a good idea in theory, although I am not sure doing so would have a huge effect for the Wikivoyage editions with smaller amounts of native speakers world wide, as for example, in the case of Heb Voy most Hebrew speakers live only in Israel (and most Greek speakers live only in Greece), unlike speakers of the English language or Spanish (there are many countries around the world in which those languages are the main languages). I would end this by saying that after all the efforts I have made so far to promote Heb Voy and to get editors from various sources, the only few ones whom ended up joining the Heb Voy editor community are existing Wikipedians (maybe you should try recruiting potential editors from there?). I guess this stems mostly from the fact that most people in the world do not want to write/develop content without getting paid, and apparently even less people want to help take part in creating a wiki that might or might not end becoming successful. Neverthelss, I believe that eventually, after a good foundation of a wiki website exists, and after the articles of the wiki get hundreds of thousands page views each month, it is inevitable that sooner or later additional editors would join the efforts. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 18:41, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind advices. I read carefully everything. I share your points of views. As a first step I have to ask for temporary sysop rights to manage pages as there is no admin there. You know, we have very few pages but the article about your country was among the first to be created. See voy:el:Ισραήλ. Well there's very little information but I will expand the article soon. I'm going to manage my account in Hebrew wv right away in order to contact you again. You're a fine person. Regards --Gobbler (talk) 19:14, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

en[edit]

Just a quick one! This month on the English Wikivoyage:

Apologies for our recent absence from the Summits!

Nick talk 00:18, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

May 2014[edit]

Several French Wikivoyage editors use TransVoyage to semi-automatically translate articles from English to French.

June 2014[edit]

First German-English article collaboration, on the Travemünde article.

Archived reports[edit]