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العربية: هذه صفحة نقاش ميتا العامة (أرسل تعليقا); للنقاش حول الترجمة أو تعدد اللغات، انظر إخطار المترجمين. لو أن تعليقك يرتبط بصفحة معينة، من فضلك أرسله هناك وضع فقط وصلة مع وصف مختصر هنا.
Armãneashce: Cãndu comentarlu-a vostru easte ligat cu vãrã frãndzã spetsialã, Vã-plãcãrsim s-u publicats aclo shi sade s-bãgats ligãturã cu unã descriptsia shcurtã aoatse.
Беларуская: Калі гэта толькі магчыма, калі ласка, пакідайце свае каментарыі непасрэдна на старонцы «Talk» адпаведнага артыкулу Вікі, а на дадзенай старонцы пакідайце толькі спасылку туды.
بختياري: ای صفحه صحبت عمومی و صحبت درباره خط مشی های ویکی مدیا هده. (نظرتو چنه); سی صحبت درباره زبانهای متعدد یا ترجمه، تابلو اعلان مترجمها را بوینین. ایر دیدگاه ایسا منه یه صفحه خاصه، لطفاً هونه در همان صفحه بفرستین و ایچو فقط یه لینک و یه توضیح خلاصه بنین.
Brezhoneg: E kement ha ma c'hallit en ober, laoskit ho kemennadennoù war bajenn gaozeal ar pennad zo e kaoz, ha na skrivit amañ nemet ur gerig displegañ gant ul liamm.
Català: En la mesura del possible, deixeu el vostre missatge a la plana de discussió de l'article corresponent, i aquí només poseu-hi un enllaç cap al mateix.
Česky: Pokud je to možné, zanechte detailní zprávu na diskusní stránce příslušného článku a sem dejte jen jednoduché vysvětlení s odkazem.
Dansk: Prøv så vidt muligt at skrive dine beskeder på de relevante artiklers diskussionssider og blot sætte et link til den her.
Deutsch: Sofern möglich, hinterlasse Deine Nachrichten auf der Diskussionseite des betreffenden Artikels und plaziere hier lediglich einen Link dorthin.
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English:
Esperanto: Laŭeble metu vian plenan mesaĝon en la diskuton de la koncerna artikolo kaj ĉi tien nur unu linion kun ligo tien!
Español: En tanto sea posible, coloca tu mensaje en la página de discusión del artículo concerniente, y deja aquí solamente una línea con un enlace hacia el mismo.
Estremeñu: Ena miia lo posibri, asiaha el tu mensahi ena caraba el artículu correspondienti, i solu quea aquí un atihu pal mesmu.
Euskara: Posible bada, utzi zure mezua nahi duzun artikuluak duen eztabaida orrian, eta hemen lotura azaltzen duen lerro bateko lotura utzi.
فارسی: این صفحهٔ بحث عمومی و بحث‌ در مورد سیاست‌های فراویکی است. (نظرتان را بیافزایید); برای بحث در مورد چندزبانگی یا ترجمه، تابلوی اعلانات مترجمان را ببینید. اگر نظر شما در یک صفحهٔ به خصوص است، لطفاً آن را در همان صفحه ارسال کنید و این‌جا تنها یک پیوند و یک توضیح مختصر بگذارید.
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Alemannisch: Wänn megli, setze Eiri Nochricht uf d Diskussionsyte vum jewylige Artikel un setze do numme ne Gleich ane.
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Ripoarisch: Wann mööshlesh, schriiv Dinge Bëijdrach op däm Attikkel singe Klaaf_Sigk un donn hee nur ene koote Henwiiß unn_enne Lengk drop henn.
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Occitan: Dins la mesura del possible, daissatz vòstres messatges dins la pagina de discussion de l'article concernit e inserissètz aicí solament un ligam vèrs aqueste messatge.
Português: Se possível, poste sua mensagem na página de discussão da página concernente e deixe aqui um pequeno lembrete com um link para a discussão.
Русский: По возможности, оставляйте ваши комментарии непосредственно на странице обсуждения соответствующей статьи Вики, а на данной странице помещайте только ссылку туда.
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[edit] Image cleanup

Please see this and this. Is there any reason to keep all this images?. Some of them have been tagged long time ago and nobody cared about them. Best regards. —Dferg (talk) 17:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Nuke 'em  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 21:27, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 Doing... the obvious ones. —Dferg (talk) 21:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps someone who knows how to automatically delete the links can help delinking the images. E.g.: [1], [2] —Dferg (talk) 21:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Time to mark the open proxy project as inactive

I came back today to find that there were outstanding requests from 2007 waiting for someone to deal with them. I think that the driving force behind the project has faded and editors are left confused as to why there has not been a response to their request in over a year. Unless some admins want to step up and deal with the requests, I would recommend that the project be marked as inactive and a note placed on the page to contact a local admin to request blocking/unblocking of proxies. Nakon 19:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

As I mentioned on ENWP, I handle it there, but if it needs more eyes here, I can help. Dont have the bit here, so I'll have to relegate to tagging and bugging local ops. OverlordQ 07:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Nakon. As I mentioned on enwiki some time ago the cross-wiki aspect of this project is deceased. Meta does not have a big open proxy problem, other projects have all open proxies automatically blocked and unblocked, and the rest of the projects probably aren't too bothered by open proxies (to the extent that local sysops can't deal with it any better). There is also global blocking now. While several project block open proxies all the time, I doubt it would be worthwhile to report them all for global blocking, or to block them all globally. So people looking for blocks should ask for global or local blocks, and people asking for for unblock should ask whoever blocked them in the first place. And if the sysops need an open proxy checking they should just ask around or pop over to enwiki where one of us can usually help. One thing I will say is that all the help pages are on meta, so don't delete them just yet. Updating the help pages will be part of deprecating this project. zzuuzz (talk) 09:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I have begun to phase out new block requests in favor of the Torblock extension and SRG for excessive cross-wiki vandalism. I plan on removing the unblock requests in a bit to give time to resolve any outstanding requests and at that time will then refactor the page to provide more information about proxies and their status on Wikimedia projects. Nakon 06:45, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Creating a new global policy

What are the guidelines / procedures for creating a new global policy? Specifically, I'm talking about Biographies of living people. Any comments / input would be appreciated so this can move forward. Cheers. --MZMcBride 17:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I seem to recall something akin to "standard mandatory policies for wikimedia projects" somewhere... foundation-l? It's more likely to have a set of standard policies that both make sense and would be applicable regardless of project. BLP would be a good example of one where there are no foreseeable exceptions. Anyway, if you want to get that pushed through globally by itself, you'd want to bring a discussion of it up on the forum, then if enough people think it'd pass, someone will call for a global referendum of some sort... likely a sitenotice pointing to the discussion and subsequent voting. Best of luck. Kylu 13:31, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Abusefilter

Hello. I don't know where abusefilter is discussed. I wonder if a filter !("autoconfirmed" in user_groups)& ("Redirect" in summary) (throttled) would be useful.[3] Hillgentleman 20:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Non-autoconfirmed users can not move pages according to Special:ListGroupRights. If page-move vandalism is becoming a problem, perhaps someone could import this filter from en.wiki. Nakon 22:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Notice that none of the actions in my link given is a page move. I am talking about redirecting a large number of pages to another (vandalism-sounding) page. Hillgentleman 22:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Can we use simpler English

I don't know whether this is the correct place to post this but I can't find a suitable talk page... Anyway, as we know MetaWiki is supposed to be multilingual, but most of it was in English. At the same time there are many en-1 en-2 users, especially those who come to ask for help rather than to take part in a discussion. They can hardly understand certain slang or phrases. For example, on Steward requests/Checkuser, I think it will take a long time for a non-native english speaker to find out what a w:WP:DUCK is, or what magic pixie dust is, or what do stewards mean when The CheckUser Magic 8-Ball says. So why can't we just make it simple and straightforward?—Bencmq 15:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I don't know what it means either, and I usually explain my reasonings, but I suggest to just ask or ask for the help of a translator if a result given by a checkuser is not clear. Best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 15:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I think sometimes I can't find a translator easily. So simple English is good for me..--Fantasticfears 15:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
This is one reason I favour use of the indicator templates shown at the top of SRCU. They are short phrases with clearly-defined meanings and an icon for further clarity. If localization of the text is necessary, that can and should be added. However, we are always willing to help by using simpler English, another language, or finding someone to help translate where necessary - just ask when something isn't clear.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 19:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I for one always try my best on multilingual projects to speak in simpler English. If you don't understand what someone is saying you can always ask them. Majorly talk 21:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Most of the Checkuser indicator templates are good. But some are "inside jokes". I admit partial responsibility for that, I brought the lot of them over, way back when. Maybe the jokes need explaining, I don't know. But in general I agree. Simple phrasing is a good idea. ++Lar: t/c 16:39, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] MediaWiki:Common.js/interlinker.js should be able to be disabled

My browser shows plain URLs!

As you can see the bug through the image, My browser (IE8) shows plain URLs. I don't want to see it. Please make a gadget to disable this script. Thank you. Kwj2772 (論) 10:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:ExperimentTORIS 1982.jpg

Please delete this image page. The image exists on Commons not locally, this page was just created and protected by Brion to stop the image being uploaded here incorrectly. Since that was back in 2006 I don't think we can expect that problem to continue and it is no longer necessary to create a page to protect it so this page can be deleted. Doing so will stop it showing up in Special:UncategorizedFiles. Thanks. Adambro 10:34, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

We have a page for this sort of request, Meta:Requests for deletion shortcut WM:RFD. In future these sorts of requests probably should go there. However this seems reasonable to me, so I did it. It can be undeleted if someone thinks I erred. ++Lar: t/c 16:41, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Import portuguese version of Help:Displaying a formula

Hi!

I would like to know if is it possible to import b:pt:Ajuda:Marcação TeX to Help:Displaying a formula/pt with all the history of that page? From time to time I've been updating the portuguese translation of Help:Displaying a formula at pt.wikibooks. But I think that page could became more visible here at meta (for all Wikimedia projects). Helder 20:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it can be imported via Special:Import, ask this users for assistance. Regards, —Dferg (talk) 17:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 Done - Help:Displaying a formula/pt. --Az1568 (talk) 07:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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