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Archive. Some old discussions happened on CentralNotice/Log (and talk). Please also comment the proposed CentralNotice banner guidelines.

Concurrent notices[edit]

We now have 4 banners running, up to 3 in Egypt or 2 in the USA. I've set the Stewards' notice weigth to 100, so that it's shown 1/3 (1/2) of the time and not 1/12 (1/8). Given that there are two of those and they're pretty long, it might make sense to reduce the two Cairo University banners to 50 (100 in total). Nemo 10:42, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I've switched the steward banner back down to 25 for now. It was like that since we worked with the Election Committee so that they could get 25% on enWiki with the SOPA banner at 75%. For most countries and non English projects the steward banner will be at 100%. The other banners aren't really my purview though I'd say that a bit lower numbers doesn't really bother me for this particular banner since most steward candidates are going to be moving around the site enough to still see the banner many times. Jalexander 11:37, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
It might always have been 25 but it doesn't mean much if you don't know whether other banners will exist or not and have 25, 50 or 100. :-) Anyway, I personally don't care about having more stewards from en.wiki, I was just confused because the decision you've reported wasn't documented anywhere. Things will be different when it comes to vote, but SOPA banner will be over at that time I guess. Nemo 11:57, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
If it's ok, I'd rather leave the Cairo University banners as-is for now. We are hoping to get the required number of signups really soon, and many of them will perhaps happen this weekend. I'm happy to dial them back after that if that works. Thanks! Akhanna 12:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Arabic version of SOPA blackout warning notice[edit]

The Arabic text for the SOPA blackout warning notice (see http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&template=enwp_SOPA_GLOBAL_warning_edits&wpUserLanguage=all) has no relation whatsoever to SOPA. It is a request for Wikipedia Ambassadors. This should not be displayed to visitors.  --Lambiam 22:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I have deleted that content for now. Probably happened because stuff was copied over from the Cairo University banners currently running in the middle east. In any case, the banner wasn't live on ar.wiki, so we are good. Thanks! Akhanna 03:17, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikimania program[edit]

We're going to run these banners for logged in and anon on March 8-18. The banners serve the dual purpose of advertising the call for participation and more generally, the dates & location of Wikimania. Depending on how it goes, we can change it to logged in only or maybe geotargeted anon + logged in users in a few days. Cheers. Aude (talk) 04:52, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for using a quite "standard" (i.e. best practice) banner for this. :-) Nemo 08:31, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Aude - Ten days, sitewide, seems fairly extensive for this purpose (not even inviting people to come, but inviting them to submit a presentation!). Might I suggest that they go to logged in only? I think ten days, sitewide, reaching nearly 125,000,000 people conservatively, is like using a cannon to kill a fly. However, I join Nemo in thanking you for the standard size (smallish) banner. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 04:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
We can change it to logged-in only probably tomorrow or Monday (+ maybe anon geotargeted to our region). 1-2 days of anon is more than enough :) On the otherhand, if you'd like to help us with finding sponsorships, that would be great. That's the area where we need the most reach and a few days of banner can help, possibly as a side-effect. Aude (talk) 05:09, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay, we've tweaked the banners to be:

  • logged-in only for the program
  • geolocated (US + Canada) anon for "Wikimania 2012 is July 12-15 in Washington, D.C." This generically covers program, registration, etc. for anyone interested.

For future banners (possibly registration in April or May), we'd like them to be further geolocated which I think can be done with picking US + Canada (+ a little JavaScript, using the geoiplookup thing). Cheers. Aude (talk) 15:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

POTY 2011[edit]

Would be someone so kind and tell me what has to be done to get banners for POTY running? There are also some on testwiki but each time I try to modify a campaign there, I get a server-error, while the extension seems to work. Thanks in advance. -- Rillke (talk) 08:01, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Last year POTY2010's notices were:
--miya (talk) 09:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi there. The error on the testwiki is something to do with 1.20wmf4, I will report this to the devs to let them know about it. Can you give me some dates as to when you would like the Central Notice to be put up (the Calendar entry is vague) - copying the banners will be nice and easy, and it looks like a nice banner that Mono's made (the one that goes on the bottom of the page). The Helpful One 13:57, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
The bug is already on bugzilla:37170. I just wanted to say that I can't test them properly. -- Rillke (talk) 14:12, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
I never liked these banners so two days will be enough for round 1, I think.
Voting for Round 1 started on about 2012-05-26 22:00 [UTC] (Saturday) and will not end before 2012-06-04 23:59 [UTC] (Monday)
Voting for Round 2 will start about 1 week after voting for Round 1 was closed and will run at least one week.
The start of Round 2 depends on whether Kalan's vote checking tool works properly. -- Rillke (talk) 14:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

If help with HTML or JavaScript should be required, I would be glad to help. -- Rillke (talk) 14:30, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

If the bug was fixed, please make the banners put up even today if possible. Thanks in advance.--miya (talk) 16:41, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

The sample of the banner is here: http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?banner=Banner1 but if it had any problem, more simple version is also preferable - better than nothing. Thanks.--miya (talk) 07:41, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I Oppose Oppose using CentralNotice for this. I think a watchlist notice or something less prominent would be better. --MZMcBride (talk) 22:30, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Why it was done all the years before? I have the feeling someone wants to torpedo our efforts. First Mono has quit without any notice, the questions on QUA are not answered and the promised voting extension was not written, and now this. That, indeed, makes me angry. But of course you could set up watchlist notes in >100 wikis; this would be appreciated. I am now trying to use GlobalMessageDelivery. Cheers -- Rillke (talk) 10:23, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure why it was done in past years. I'm not sure it's totally relevant.
I don't want to torpedo anyone's efforts (and I don't think anyone else wants to either). However, it's June and you're talking about a 2011 contest. That's already on the edge of silliness. I think mass-broadcasting this contest in June makes Wikimedia look stupid and disorganized. And even if it were December 2011 (when this contest should have been held), I'm not sure this particular contest is important enough to broadcast to every user in every language on every project. It's a silly "pick the best" contest, not a Board election or something of actual significance. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:53, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it is (a silly "pick the best" contest). Do you like Facebook? Lots of people like it; I don't. There are also silly like buttons. Verbose feedback is often substantially better.
On the other hand it's an acknowledgement to photographers who donate their work and their time to the public. And that's the reason why I say it's worth having this one time in the year.
About looking disorganized, would you say Wikimedia is properly organized? I just remember the rotate-mess. -- Rillke (talk) 21:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
MZMcBride, would you mind to send this message? -- Rillke (talk) 11:32, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Sending now. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. -- Rillke (talk) 21:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Request[edit]

Hey, I requested a central notice on the calendar, but nothing seems to happen. Who should I approach for this? MADe (talk) 11:38, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello, the calendar is not a request page, did you read the CentralNotice guidelines? Nobody complained so you can assume people are fine with your "slot". You could ask help to those who are going to also take care of the other WLM banners (who are probably sysops here on Meta), or you can post a request on WM:RFH. It's more likely to succeed if you provide text and code for your banner. Thanks, Nemo 12:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Nemo, I did not really understand the CN-guidelines, so thanks for your help MADe (talk) 15:45, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Objection to using CentralNotice by the WMF for the readers survey[edit]

I want to draw attention to the fact that for the last few weeks a heated discussion has been held between several chapters and the WMF employee who is in charge of the survey. The sides have not reached agreement on the question that will be asked in the survey (the chapters asking to remove one question, the previous problematic results of which that Sue Gardener mentioned in the past and has even presented on stage - in Wikimania) So I would like to avoid the use of CentralNotice by the WMF for this purpose.

As we don’t have any rule, community or board decision as to who has full control and use of the CentralNotice to the WMF for messages, and as their request to run this survey is not a core part of the WMF which is essential to their activity (not like legal issues, fundraising, tech issues etc.) I don’t think they have the final decision whether to use the CentralNotice. Note that according to CenteralNotice Usage guidelines Banners need to "Be consensus-driven and respect our principles."

As the issue has been discussed for weeks, without reaching a consensus, I would like to solve the problem in the way most of the Wiki projects resolve disputes between two sides – voting. Voting if we run the survey in the way the foundation is demanding, or by the way the chapters asking to.

I'm just clarifying, everyone wants this survey to run, but from some unknown reason the WMF is insisting to have one question, which everyone agrees in the past is problematic, and from the readers voting we can understand little from the results, beside damaging the reputation of the chapters. The Chapters asked the WMF to remove this question and to have another survey that will also focus on this issue in the future, but they seem to oppose that, and the one man show that was taking part on mailing lists and meta seems to have the last word against community opinion. This does not seem like a real democracy to me. --Itzike (talk) 21:39, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I dont understand why the WMF insists on keeping the question in the survey, and I can understand the fear that the data will be misused again, but its just a fear. Putting a halt on the survey via CentralNotice is not a good solution. That throws WMF project management of the survey project into chaos, which ultimately wastes donor money. Better to let the WMF run this survey, and refocus on a) analysis of the results, especially by getting raw data out of the WMF, and b) design a better survey that asks the questions the community wants included. There will be opportunity post-survey to ensure that the deductions made by this survey are appropriate. John Vandenberg (talk) 05:18, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if this is a serious request even deserving of a response. Besides all the points about ownership, and the chain of control that brought this tool to Meta under partial community control, most of which I'm sure you aren't very aware of. WMF employees and contractors wrote this tool. WMF can very easily copy or move this to the foundation wiki without any control. It currently still resides here, it is certainly not going to become a bargaining chip in every minor disagreement for chapters, or anyone else, over something as ridiculous as a single question on a survey. It would be a joke to even consider future community centralnotice usage against a single question in a survey that may or may not affect chapters.

You will be hard pressed to find any support for this. I'm not sure which community you would be appealing to. Most community members from Meta aren't aware of this, let alone en.wp, and to assume they would side by you, is well...a giant leap to say the least. As a local admin here, I would ask that you please don't bring these minor quibbles, and political posturings to affect regular operations and things you have no claim over to begin with. Theo10011 (talk) 23:03, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

WMNL survey[edit]

I see that WMNL is planning a survey on 3 - 19 December. This is right in the middle of the fundraiser, which brings a few different disadvantages:

  • People see a lot of banners already, so they will experience likely banner blindness.
  • Because of the same banner overload people are probably less willing to actually do what is asked in the banner (spend time on a survey).
  • If you want comparable results, and you want to run a second iteration, that will have to happen in the same time of the year.
  • While only a small effect (only logged in users), it might have an impact on the fundraiser results in the Netherlands.

I'm not sure if there are very strong arguments to use this month (except that it looks nicer if it is done still in 2012), I didn't see any in the linked announcement. But if there are not very strong arguments, I would suggest to postpone the survey for a month or two, and run it in February 2013. Thanks for reconsidering the timeline!

I also didn't see a call for input to the community (this is the set of questions we'd like to send out) or a call for translation (English, Frysian?). If postponed, you might have an opportunity for that, too (maybe people have useful input - no guarantees). Effeietsanders (talk) 14:52, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Isn't the Dutch fundraiser scheduled for April next year under the latest plans?--Bence (talk) 15:27, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

That was my idea as well (that there would be no fundraiser in Nl in December). Zack Exley wrote in a recent message to Wikimedia-l that the end of year campaign would run only in 5 countries (US, CA, GB, AU & NZ). That's not to say that I won't take you other comments on board! --SRientjes (talk) 15:48, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
I also noticed this announcement after my question here - I didn't see that email yet. However, I guess the chances are reasonable that the time schedule might be returned to what we're used to for next years, so for repeat surveys it would still be tricky. So my preference would still be end of January / begin February, (also less interference with holidays) but it is less strong of a point than when you assume the Fundraiser will definitely be in December. Effeietsanders (talk) 00:10, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the POTY contest[edit]

Hi all, I'll address this in advance - the Commons Picture of the Year committee is planning to use CentralNotice to advertise two rounds for about two weeks. There will be two bursts for logged-in editors only and will be shown on all projects in appropriate languages. POTY is a great event and helps showcase the quality of Commons to Wikimedians and the world and results in more uploads/featured picture nominations.

Last year, CentralNotice was not used because of objections from Meta participants over timing. This year, the contest will be much earlier (January, not June). CentralNotice was used the year before last and the participation was more than doubled, without our recently introduced enhanced voting system. The banners will be non-intrusive and we are looking forward to improving our participation signficantly.  ono  04:00, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

WMNL new year's reception: some technical problems[edit]

Not sure whom to discuss this with, but the current banner for the WMNL New Year's reception (http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/view&template=nieuwjaarsborrel) has a technical problem. The 'Hide' button doesn't hide the banner but takes you to the linked page (the cross does work as expected, though). Because of this, an admin on the Dutch language Wikipedia has now explicitly hidden this banner for everyone there. Since I do not have any experience with this, I wonder if anyone who does have some skill with this could take a brief look at how to fix this. I also have the impression that the banner is being perceived by the community as being very large, but I'll first take that up with the sponsor, User:Spinster. Paul B (talk) 17:37, 6 January 2013 (UTC) (WMNL board member, but speaking only on behalf of myself here).

Update: it seems that we have had sufficient response from the Dutch Wikipedia anyway, so there's no hurry here. We'll probably leave it like this. Paul B (talk) 17:43, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for this, I've fixed the hide button so it should hide the banner correctly as expected. Thehelpfulone 17:44, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Cool, thanks :) Well, your username says it all. Paul B (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
According to CentralNotice/Usage guidelines there has to be "some sort of consensus" before non-standard banners are enabled (even if there wasn't a guideline on that, it should still be common sense, right?). There has not been any discussion prior to putting up this banner at the projects which are the most affected by this banner (nlwiki, nlbooks, nlwikt, etc.). MrBlueSky (talk) 02:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Banners[edit]

What size is good for a graphic banner style central notice? Is it best to make it a single banner image or is it fine to put multiple elements, images and wiki text, within a div or table? I'm trying to come up with something here for the January 15 Wikivoyage launch announcement central notice. We could really use help! Never done this before. --Rogerhc (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Help needed at Talk:Wikivoyage_2013/CentralNotice#Banner. Time is short--this is scheduled to go live January 15-17 and we need experienced admin help. Thanks! --Rogerhc (talk) 18:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Offered some thoughts and can help out if needed Jalexander (talk) 18:42, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

"Belarusian Wikipedias Day in Warsaw, Poland" banner for Belarusian Wikipedias[edit]

Hi, I'd like to run a banner for bewiki and be-x-oldwiki visitors (projects scope) from Poland and Belarus (geo scope). There is a workshop planned on February 16. What should I do so the banner appears ASAP? Community consensus reached (be-x-old, be). I've already prototyped the CentralNotice banner template in my local MediaWiki installation. Wizardist (talk) 20:10, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Philippines recruitment for two weeks[edit]

[1]: it's weird enough to send people to the account creation form, which 1) wrongly implies one must register to contribute, 2) hides the explanation page w:en:Wikipedia:Tambayan_Philippines/Get_started making everything most confusing. Most importantly, however, two weeks of anonymous banners for a WikiProject sounds very extreme. Was this discussed at least with the general en.wiki community (which is not the only wiki affected though)? They'll soon get crazy if any WikiProject can get two-weeks über-huge banners. --Nemo 11:19, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the project plan was announced in the village pump on EnWp ahead of time, as it is the only wiki showing the banners. --Haithams (talk) 17:24, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Contribution month in Canada[edit]

Does it look good on this calendar? It should be added by tomorrow per Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#CentralNotice_by_tomorrow_please.3F. πr2 (t • c) 16:58, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

[edit]

Can someone please make banner with these parameters:

  • text: Deň finančnej gramotnosti: Uprav článok, pomôž Wikipédii a vyhraj!
  • link: //sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:De%C5%88_finan%C4%8Dnej_gramotnosti
  • from 8.9.2013 to 7.11.2013
  • from 8.9.2013 to 30.9.2013 ratio between WLM banner and this one 6:1
  • from 1.10.2013 to 7.11.2013 ratio 1 of 3 impressions
  • projects: all
  • language: sk
  • both anonymous and logged in
  • no geographical limits (or possible Slovakia)

It is based on discussion on Slovak Wikipedia's Village Pump. The banner is intended for Wikimedia Slovakia's Wikipedia contest with external partner. The main reason why I am asking there is (as I hope) possibility to set ratio between these 2 banners. --KuboF (talk) 20:29, 1 September 2013 (UTC) updated --KuboF (talk) 12:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC) update after our partner made the contest longer --KuboF (talk) 10:17, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

@KuboF, Benoit Rochon: I can personally do this, but I don't know how to do the ratio between WLM and this banner. Maybe User:Jalexander can do that. PiRSquared17 (talk) 17:02, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
I can do this, but not the 6:1 ratio. Is that enough? PiRSquared17 (talk) 14:03, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it is enought. Thanks! --KuboF (talk) 18:49, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
@KuboF: does there need to be an image? If so, what? PiRSquared17 (talk) 19:29, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
@PiRSquared17: No image, thanks! --KuboF (talk) 20:23, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
@PiRSquared17: Is the banner implemented? I see no banner on skwiki. Thanks. --KuboF (talk) 15:29, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
@KuboF: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Translations/links&banner=FinancialContestSK&uselang=sk&force=1 ? PiRSquared17 (talk) 15:35, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
@PiRSquared17: The banner is visible only with URL-parameter forcing. But we need at least on Slovak Wikipedia banner for all users... --KuboF (talk) 15:44, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

@PiRSquared17, Benoit Rochon: Now I founded that the banner works only for logged in. Can you please fix it that it work for anonymous too? Thanks. --KuboF (talk) 16:13, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

@KuboF: I'm not an expert with CentralNotice, but none of the other admins want to help you. Sorry for being so slow. Anyway, according to Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/FinancialContestSK, it is visible to anons. PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
@KuboF: I increased the priority. Now is it working? Do you want it normal or high priority? PiRSquared17 (talk) 16:20, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
@PiRSquared17: Now it is working even for anons! Many thanks! --KuboF (talk) 16:22, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Bug 55635 - New mailing list for centralnotice admins[edit]

FYI --Nemo 23:42, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

[edit]

Hi all!

I would like to publish a banner to promote the hackathon we are organizing in Buenos Aires. I have no idea how to program this so, although I created a code based on other banners.

Here are the parameters for the banner:

  • link: //es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Encuentros/Hackat%C3%B3n_Wiki
  • from November 11th to November 25th, 2013.
  • only logged-in users.
  • only in Argentina.
  • text1: ¿Te interesa programar y desarrollar? Participá en el Hackatón Wiki,
  • text2: este 30 de noviembre y 1 de diciembre en Buenos Aires.

Thanks, Osmar Valdebenito (WMAR) (talk) 14:48, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

non-relative protocol resource[edit]

Please remove "http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Gray-gradient1.png" and replace it with "linear-gradient(to bottom, #FFFFFF 0%, #DDDDDD 90%)" from Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/wm_il_hackathon_2013_dec_01 since it breaks the protocol relative policy. eranroz (talk) 21:43, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I just changed it to a protocol relative link (a css gradient would require more cruft to accomodate old browsers). Peter Coombe (WMF) (talk) 00:33, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Proposed publicity for Wikimania 2014[edit]

Hi everyone, I'm organising Wikimania this year, which runs from 8-10th August in London, with a series of fringe events beginning in June. It'll be the biggest Wikimania yet by quite some way, and has a heavy emphasis on outreach and publicising some of the lesser known parts of Wikimedia; how the deeper community works, the upcoming design changes, how Wikimedia can be used in formal education, Wikidata, Wikimedians-in-Residence, etc. Significantly, the conference website itself will have a lot of outreach material on it, so it's not only interesting for people who actually attend, but we hope will be a great destination for people who, through finding out that a Wikimania conference exists, have just awoken to the size and cohesiveness of the community.

I don't want to abuse central notices, but they're definitely a pretty powerful tool for publicising this. Here's my proposed campaign:

Dates
YYYY/MM/DD
Banner purpose Projects Language Logged in or Anonymous Geo-located to Project sponsor Comments from sponsor
Late March Submissions close / earlybird registration opens All All Logged in Worldwide User:EdSaperia To encourage the community to get the (significantly cheaper) earlybird tickets, and submit their sessions.
Beginning of May Announcing Wikimania All All Anonymous & Logged in Worldwide User:EdSaperia To publicise Wikimania to the wider world (& sell tickets)
Mid July Final tickets All English Anonymous & Logged in UK User:EdSaperia To sell off the last of the tickets to local attendees
8-10 August Streaming feeds All English Anonymous & Logged in Worldwide User:EdSaperia To publicise the streams and videos of the talks as they go up

The foundation is investing a fairly hefty sum into this, so it would be a shame not to promote it well, and it's a really nice focus for outreach activity. Let me know if you have any comments or suggestions. EdSaperia (talk) 09:22, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi EdSaperia. I'm already annoyed with the number of Wikimania-related notices scheduled through March 2014. I think what you're proposing is far too many. (cc: KTC) --MZMcBride (talk) 04:15, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi, MZMcBride, the already scheduled notices are similar in number and content to previous years. In fact, the first 2 of 3 are using the same campaign so if the banner had already been closed the first time round, the cookie should still be there so that it wouldn't be showing this time round. -- KTC (talk) 10:21, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
KTC: What are your thoughts on the proposed banners listed above? Broadly, while Wikimania is a great event, it ultimately attracts about 1,000 people out of a movement that encompasses hundreds of thousands of users and millions of readers. The number of banners shown to these millions of people doesn't seem to be suitably proportionate. This talk page is also probably too obscure to get appropriate feedback. (cc: Jalexander, Nemo) --MZMcBride (talk) 23:06, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi MZMcBride, outreach is considered a key strategic goal for the movement, and Wikimania is a powerful tool to do that. Most readers aren't even aware that the community exists at all, and what better demonstration of it than publicising our largest community event? To do outreach we must necessarily show people things they are not looking for. EdSaperia (talk) 23:21, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, Ed, but this strikes me as a hugely disproportionate banner display. We're talking about a thousand or so people, and you're talking banner display to half a billion over the duration of several weeks. I could support, for instance, a worldwide campaign for all users (logged in and anon) for a day or two, max, but then subsetting it to logged in only, for the remaining week or so of a banner campaign. But you've asked for a massive carte blanche here. The language of the fact that we've "invested a fairly hefty sum" doesn't play well either - we've done banners every year, chasing that sum, and I'm not convinced there's a strong payoff for them. I'd like to see us learn from prior experiments, and not simply repeat them. Also, have you considered the clicks from a banner to your live stream, and what that would do to your servers? I made the mistake once of ordering a blog linked from a banner on the site... and Ryan Lane had to rebuild the blog server. Oops. You need one hell of a caching infrastructure to be able to handle that type of click count. Philippe (WMF) (talk) 05:06, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Oh no, sorry, I didn't mean for it to be up for weeks, that wasn't clear, it would just be a few days at a time, and with the "view once" option. This is more like what I meant:
Dates
YYYY/MM/DD
Banner purpose Projects Language Logged in or Anonymous Geo-located to Project sponsor Comments from sponsor
25-31 March Submissions close / earlybird registration opens All All Logged in Worldwide User:EdSaperia To encourage the community to get the (significantly cheaper) earlybird tickets, and submit their sessions.
3-4 May Announcing Wikimania All All Anonymous & Logged in Worldwide User:EdSaperia To publicise Wikimania to the wider world (& sell tickets)
26-27 July Final tickets All English Anonymous & Logged in UK User:EdSaperia To sell off the last of the tickets to local attendees
8-10 August Streaming feeds All English Anonymous & Logged in Worldwide User:EdSaperia To publicise the streams and videos of the talks as they go up.
Is that more reasonable? And I understand you can make it so that only a % of viewers see the banners, maybe we could do this to reduce traffic for the stream? Traditional complaint about the wikimania livestreaming has been that it's not worth doing because not enough people tune in to watch, so this seems like an opportunity to build capacity. EdSaperia (talk) 20:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
  • If we're restricting the first 3 to 1 view or so then I'm not horribly against it (we can probably limit the % as well to avoid crowding out other banners while still allowing everyone to see it once, otherwise we get lots of people seeing blank banners which is less helpful). I'm still extremely against the idea of banners for the livestream however from both a technical and social viewpoint. I understand your desire to advertise those and I know that you received promises from the providers that they could deal with it but, to be honest, I don't think they know what they are getting into.
That is billions of banner views and potentially millions (or 10s of millions) of clicks (especially if you advertise someone like Jimmy in the banner). Some of the biggest sites in the world get taken down by influxes of traffic at that level (You may be able to withstand millions of views over a day but even 10-100k within 1 second could bring you down). I don't think I can over estimate how much pressure it can put on a site, our own sites can have issues with that many people at once when it isn't cached and caching is very difficult for a live stream event.
From a a social aspect I'm also uncomfortable, that is a giant hammer of advertising (think of it as $100s of millions of dollars worth) for relatively few people. I know that this is likely to be very frustrating but given that you are proposing running the streaming banner mostly on the English Wikipedia and other English projects I don't think that here (the Central Notice Calendar page on meta) is the right place to get permission. If you want to put up a banner like that (which will 'look' very much like advertising, and is very abnormal for what we normally run) I think you should go to the local communities themselves (on the appropriate project village pumps) to get permission from them. That wouldn't eliminate the technical issues (which, with my current understanding, will likely still cause me to be opposed) but I'd be much more comfortable on the social side with their blessing. Jalexander--WMF 22:22, 13 March 2014 (UTC) @MZMcBride: since you were involved earlier.
"Final tickets" looked long at two days, but it's only the UK. I'd kill "Streaming feeds" altogether. And I still think six days for "Submissions close" is a lot, but at least it's only logged-in users. Revised table below. --MZMcBride (talk) 23:55, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Dates (2014) Banner purpose Projects Language Logged in or Anonymous Geo-located to Project sponsor Comments from sponsor
25–31 March Submissions close / earlybird registration opens All All Logged in Worldwide EdSaperia To encourage the community to get the (significantly cheaper) earlybird tickets, and submit their sessions.
3–4 May Announcing Wikimania 2014 All All Anonymous & Logged in Worldwide EdSaperia To publicise Wikimania to the wider world (& sell tickets)
26–27 July Final tickets All English Anonymous & Logged in UK EdSaperia To sell off the last of the tickets to local attendees
I actually disagree about the streaming feeds - I think they have a much greater potential audience than the others: Probably only a few hundred or maybe a thousand people will be in a position to submit presentations that have a chance to get accepted, probably only a few thousand people will have the means and interest to attend the conference in person, but there are surely tens of thousands who would be interested in watching presentations online. In any case you will have to agree that the action item in each case represents vastly differing amounts of effort (1. crafting a submission, 2. buying a ticket and spending days attending, 3. watching a video stream on your computer).
In general I fully share the concerns about banner overuse expressed by James and Philippe above, but if the video servers are really up for the traffic, I would support a banner notice about the streams at least for logged-in users. It's surely a bit of a novelty and an experiment; perhaps we should get some more opinions on e.g. Wikimedia Forum or Wikimania-l.
Regards, Tbayer (WMF) (talk) 01:12, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
I still disagree but if the community wants it I won't stand in the way (though I will want proof that the servers can actually handle it), I do however think this is a question for w:Wikipedia:Village_Pump and it's counterparts, not the relatively low watched Wikimedia Forum. Jalexander--WMF 01:15, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
I certainly take your concern about the server load on board. Regarding community consensus, I have posted the question in the forums you suggested: Wikipedia Village Pump, Wikimedia Forum. Let's see what people say. If you want me to ask anywhere else, feel free to suggest. EdSaperia (talk) 15:47, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

We are a bit behind schedule on opening registration, here's a revised proposal:

Dates
YYYY/MM/DD
Banner purpose Projects Language Logged in or Anonymous Geo-located to Project sponsor Comments from sponsor
19-20 May Announce Wikimania All All Anonymous & Logged in Worldwide User:EdSaperia
23-24 June Promote Wikimania All English Anonymous & Logged in UK User:EdSaperia
21-22 July Promote Wikimania All English Anonymous & Logged in UK User:EdSaperia Dependent on ticket sales
8-10 August Livestream All English Anonymous & Logged in Worldwide User:EdSaperia

I'll have more info on our livestream capabilities soon. EdSaperia (talk) 13:35, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

ToU amendment banner[edit]

It just came to my attention that Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/ChangeToU2014_v1 is enabled for unregistered users too, which explains the flood of edits of questionable usefulness. Worse than that, I've not seen any request for translation nor notification. Jalexander, I suppose translators were invited to translate the banner privately/manually, how many days were they given to provide and review translations? The current translation to Italian, for instance, is atrocious and highly misleading.
It's wildly inappropriate to expose hundreds millions of unregistered users to unreviewed CentralNotice banners hastily translated (possibly with no advance warning) out of process, with no possibility for the translators to know about the need to review them even when they explicitly asked to be informed by subscribing to translators-l or notifications. Someone here really needs to start treating translators with a bit of respect. --Nemo 13:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Honestly I wish I could have given more time for translation, I was restricted by the time given me by the legal team and while they provided some paid translations to seed it at the start we needed to get the banner up to everyone per the ToU discussion rules. Since it had to go up right away I decided that the translation link on the banner was enough though it is obviously not the perfect answer since it is difficult to tell whether the translations given are correct or good when I don't speak the language. I tend to lean towards accepting any translations not obviously wrong in order to get something that isn't English up (and I make mistakes even then) but I'm very happy to stop approving changes if someone I trust, such as yourself, says a language is set. It apparently doesn't come across this way but I REALLY respect the translators who do an enormous amount of very difficult work, anything I can do to make their lives easier I want to do and I'm very open to things to do that though sometimes I'm restricted by other things as well. Jalexander--WMF 20:54, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

WikiConference USA 2014[edit]

I have proposed use of CentralNotice to promote WikiConference USA 2014 in New York; see the calendar. I would like to use this for the banner. I am not a CentralNotice admin so someone please make sure I didn't screw up anything up. Let me know if there is anything that would prevent the banner from being put online on April 6 per the calendar. harej (talk) 22:42, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I have to say, looking at what you have on the calendar, that's a REALLY long time for both anonymous and logged in users in the entire United States. I don't think you need more then 1 or 2 days for anonymous users (and not 10 days for logged in) and I'm not even 100% sure anonymous makes sense for the conference :-/... I can understand wanting to get it known but that's showing it to 100s of thousands of users, 99% of which aren't editors, for a conference which probably can have max 1000 people probably less? (especially since most of those users are all over the country and not very close to NY). I'm interested in other people's thoughts, perhaps I'm being too conservative but I'm very hesitant. Pinging a couple people I know have engaged here before @Jeremyb: ( WMNY so possibly engaged with the conference? Also done a fair bit with banners so may be able to help you set up for whatever is decided), @Philippe (WMF): @MZMcBride:. Jalexander--WMF 22:54, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
@Jalexander: Limiting the campaign to logged-in users only probably makes sense, given the objects of the conference. My concern is that I want to promote the banner well enough in advance of the deadline that people have time to (1) see it, (2) come up with an idea, (3) prepare a scholarship application or proposal, and (4) submit it. The conference is national in scope (and we are awarding scholarships) so the lack of proximity to New York is less of an issue. That aside I am happy to limit the duration of the campaign if it's consistent with best practices for CentralNotice. Pinging Pharos. harej (talk) 00:02, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it was I who referred James to put it on the calendar to begin with :) I haven't discussed this particular banner too much yet but I think I'd go for a longer time period and reduce the percent of page loads that are included. (instead of 100% for a short period. but maybe also 100% for a short period? don't know a lot about banner scheduling theories) Some people might not be active (or even using their computer at all) for a couple days. Among the kind of anons we want to attract are the ones that sit on Wikipedia jumping from page to page reading for extended periods. (vs. e.g. the people that use Wikipedia 3 minutes per week) And we also want the anons that are editing logged out. (my opinions, maybe someone else has more thoughts on who the audience should be) --Jeremyb (talk) 00:39, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
@Jeremyb: If we could target on that precise a level that would be great, but I have no idea how to do that. I think doing it for a longer period but not 100% of the page loads is a good balance. harej (talk) 00:48, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Honestly I don't think it deserves any time for anons (I think that's basically by definition far too many people for far too little benefit), but if you're going to do it I think it should be limited to no more then a day or two and as low as possible. That's just so many page views for the worth it gives and even if you might get a bit more from people who were not coming on those day(s) you spam more people then it's worth for those extras. For logged in users I think a week to 10 days is fine. I don't think it really needs more, even if not at 100%. @Jeremyb: are you planning to make the banner and put it up? Jalexander--WMF 23:37, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
@Pharos: Aye, I appreciate you're doing scholarships, which I think is good, and why I'm not completely against any banners at all but i just want to make sure we have a sense of balance here. How many scholarships (including travel) are you thinking about? I can't imagine it's more then 100 or so (maybe up to 200 if you have a larger grant) and the larger net we cast here based on time and visibility the more people we have who couldn't possibly go even if they wanted to and the more risk that it isn't a useful message for them (leading them to write banners off more and more). Jalexander--WMF 23:43, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
We've decided not to go forward with this form of outreach to anons, given that we can reach the Wikimedian community as logged-in users, and also more efficiently solicit other potential participants through academia, etc.--Pharos (talk) 05:54, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Pharos, that makes me a lot more comfortable. Jalexander--WMF 06:16, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Wiknic banner[edit]

I've proposed a banner for the Wiknic that will be held on July 6 and surrounding dates. The banner is in the same style as last year's banner. I apologize for the short notice. harej (talk) 03:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikimania banner not in compliance[edit]

Current banner

I find the current Wikimania banner to be ridiculously huge: there is no need for the logo to be so big, nor for the "find out more" to be on another line. Further, it's not listed on this page, therefore I urge any sysop or centralnotice admin to immediately disable it until repaired. --Nemo 08:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Apologies for missing it from this page, that was due to a miscommunication and I thought someone from the Wikimania team had done this (in fact they had, but the banner has been pushed back so long that it was now out of date). I've fixed this and added additional information. There also seems to be an issue with it not hiding after one page view, I'm going to disable until I can fix that. Peter Coombe (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 08:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Despite my best efforts the hiding after one page view still doesn't seem to be working. It's going to have to wait until the CN tech team are awake to help me debug this. I did take the time to reduce the size a bit [3]. Peter Coombe (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 10:19, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
@Pcoombe (WMF): you may want to test on aawikibooks but the 1 time show should work now. Jalexander--WMF 10:50, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
@Jalexander: yep. I'm an idiot. Thanks James! I've re-enabled the banner. Peter Coombe (Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 11:56, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit]

I ask to make banner with these parameters:

  • text: Deň finančnej gramotnosti: Uprav článok, pomôž Wikipédii a vyhraj!
  • link: //sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:De%C5%88_finan%C4%8Dnej_gramotnosti
  • from 8.9.2014 to 7.11.2014
  • projects: all
  • language: sk
  • both anonymous and logged in
  • no geographical limits

The banner is intended for Wikimedia Slovakia's Wikipedia contest with external partner, same as the last year. Thanks in advance! --KuboF (talk) 17:57, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Problems with Summer of Monuments banner and geocoordinates template on enwiki[edit]

Hi all (Harej in particular),

Dan just pointed out issues with the current Summer of Monuments banner (WSM_intro_A) on the English Wikipedia. He writes:

"check this out: http://i.imgur.com/CxWOOFz.png Two big problems:

  • The banner is causing the title of the article to indent
  • The banner is sitting under the coordinates float"

I'm just passing this on here and can't reproduce the problem myself under either Chromium or Firefox, although I too am interested in the resolution in general (I seem to recall that this wouldn't be the first time that the geocoordinates template and CN banners collide).

Regards, Tbayer (WMF) (talk) 21:13, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Tbayer and Dan. Thank you for pointing out these issues. I had noticed article title indentation in an earlier version of the banner, but I fixed that before it launched. But maybe my fix only worked in my setup. Perhaps there's an issue with the banner in Monobook? I only tested in Vector. In any case, the banner should be offline now but we may want to fix it before we use the banners again in September. harej (talk) 04:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello again Tbayer and Dan. Now that September is coming up, we may have to look at the banners. First, is there a base template you'd recommend that is known not to cause problems with page titles or coordinates in Monobook? Secondly, looking at the code for WSM intro A and WSM intro B, is there anything obvious that would set off alarm bells? Thanks, harej (talk) 02:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

@Harej: After playing around with the CSS a bit, I found a solution to the first problem. It can be fixed by using this stylesheet. [4]. (preview) The second problem is due to the code at MediaWiki:Monobook.css for #coordinates. I haven't been able to find the exact problem but top: 0 seems to fix it but that's probably not a feasible solution to this. --Glaisher (talk) 15:11, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
@Glaisher: That doesn't seem to solve the problem for me. This is what it looks like in Chrome 37.0.2062.94 (OS X 10.9.4). harej (talk) 12:34, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
@Harej: I said that it solved the first problem (title indentation). I couldn't figure out a way to fix the coordinates problem without modifying the local css for coordinates at enwp. And the coordinates problem is present on other banners as well. [5] [6]. --Glaisher (talk) 17:39, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Board letter regarding super-protection and MediaViewer[edit]

Hi. Regarding this edit, this proposed notice has visibility that is wildly disproportionate to the importance of what's being advertised. And the proposer has a clear conflict of interest.

I don't believe any central notice is appropriate or warranted here. I'd like to read why anyone believes a week-long notice to all users (logged-in and logged-out) is a good idea. (cc: Peteforsyth) --MZMcBride (talk) 02:41, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback @MZMcBride:. I don't think COI typically disqualifies these -- I think there's probably usually a COI of some sort. But, for that reason I did not feel confident moving forward with it without some discussion or input -- so I'm glad you're bringing it up here. I initially wrote this letter thinking that it might gather 200 or so signatures, from people who felt that superprotect was a significant issue for the future of how the Wikimedia community operates, and that the implementation of Media Viewer deserved pointed commentary. With more than 750 signatures now, I am confident that the message resonates strongly. Several others have urged me to do a CN, which is the main impetus for being here. There is a CN currently running, published by WMF (also in a COI) which concerns the future software development of this feature. I believe this letter -- with the support it has already gathered -- is much more clearly justified for a CN than that discussion. However, I am open to a counterproposal of how/when/where it should run. -Pete F (talk) 03:57, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Linking this discussion where this idea was originally proposed. -Pete F (talk) 04:11, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Apparently there's already a CentralNotice notice about MediaViewer that links to Community Engagement (Product)/Media Viewer consultation. Sigh. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:20, 30 August 2014 (UTC)