Talk:Wiki Project Med

From Meta, a Wikimedia project coordination wiki
(Redirected from Talk:Wikimedia Medicine)
Jump to: navigation, search


Archives of this page


2011|2012|2013
Please add new topics to the bottom of this page. Note: this is not the place to suggest changes to Wikipedia itself. If you have concerns or questions regarding medical content please post them on the talk page of the WikiProject Medicine in the appropriate language. English is here

The use of Wikipedia by doctors for their information needs[edit]

This is a proposal for a research project to study the relationship between Wikipedia and the information needs of doctors. The community's knowledge and feedback is more than appreciated!

Translation tools[edit]

Meta:Babel#Translate wiki pages to another wiki has an announcement about a new tool that might benefit some of the translators here. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:54, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Monthly/Bi monthly newsletter[edit]

Wondering if there was anyone interested in leading this? While I know a bunch of us are working on projects it would be good to have a way of disseminating the work to others. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 13:39, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

A newsletter under WPMED is currently being devised here: en:Wikipedia:The_Revival and will, ideally, be released at the end of the month. A fuller discussion is here: User_talk:Ocaasi#WP_Med_Newsletter_proposal. I have proposed moving it to the English-language WP as this is where the majority of our activities and user-base is, and because only a few users are aware of what is happening at a meta-level, so there are less users available to maintain it. --LT910001 (talk) 03:33, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Okay. We still want to be able to deleiver it to users in other languages though. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Constitution[edit]

I'd like some things about WPMEDF addressed, which have arisen during our discussion at:

  1. Is WPMEDF an umbrella organisation for the local WPMED communities?
WPMEDF does not have an authority over any local WPMED communities. It is a mechanism avaliable more for collaboration.
  1. Have the local communities consented to this?
  2. Is WPMEDF a coherent organisation or a group of one or two individuals who use this title when conducting their activities?
  3. How are activities taking in the name of WPMEDF arranged and what say do the members have in this?
  4. What is the role of members in WPMEDF and what role do they play in decision-making?
  5. Is there any transparency in decision-making?
  6. What funds are involved in the operation of WPMEDF, where do these arise from, and how are they distributed?

Our activities are almost entirely conducted in English-language, English-language publications are discussed, this page is only fully-translated in English, most of the board members come from the English language WP, and translation efforts translate from the ENWP to other sites, and I don't know of translation efforts in other directions.

  1. What relationship does WPMEDF have to the English-language WPMED?
  2. Are there examples where the flow of information from the english-language to other languages is not unidirectional?

I support the mission of WPMEDF but I do think there are some questions which need to be formally addressed. --LT910001 (talk) 02:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Sure great questions:
  1. Is WPMEDF an umbrella organisation for the local WPMED communities?
    WPMEDF does not have any authority over any local WPMED communities. It is a plateform available to improve collaboration between languages and from which to do real life outreach. It is also a place where chapters can turn for further help / feedback on medicine related projects.
    Have the local communities consented to this?
    We currently have ~100 members from 20 plus languages. As this organization does not have authority over local communities explicit consent prior to its existence is not really needed IMO. All communities were however contacted before the organization was formed.
    Is WPMEDF a coherent organisation or a group of one or two individuals who use this title when conducting their activities?
    We are running about a dozen projects. There are a few very active participants and a larger number of less active ones. A similar pattern to that of Wikipedia itself.
    How are activities taking in the name of WPMEDF arranged and what say do the members have in this?
    Activities are discussed here on these pages. All are free to discuss them. Like in other places of Wikimedia people often take on projects per WP:BRD and discussion / consensus takes place if issues arise
    What is the role of members in WPMEDF and what role do they play in decision-making?
    Members are welcomed to become involved with any of the discussions taking place here. Our membership person on the board has become busy with other activities and thus we are needing to find a new one to finalize the membership process. Membership will eventually vote on the board of directors.
    Is there any transparency in decision-making?
    Much decision making takes place here so yes.
    What funds are involved in the operation of WPMEDF, where do these arise from, and how are they distributed?
    The costs of the organization have included some form fees. I have donated these. We have a lawyer donating his time. There are no funding. In some of the collaborations, the collaborating organization has covered the travel expenses of the Wikipedians involved.
    Our activities are almost entirely conducted in English-language
    Not entirely true. We of course are involved in translating content into 50 plus languages. I have been recently to Iran to meet with local Wikipedians as well as Italy where I spoke at a Cochrane collaboration conference, meet with local Wikipedians and presenting at the launch of a new Italian digital library. One interesting thing I learned is that all Cochrane reviews are published in English.
    What relationship does WPMEDF have to the English-language WPMED?
    Beyond many of the members being active on English WPMED there is no formal relationship.
    Are there examples where the flow of information from the english-language to other languages is not unidirectional?
    Have recently gained access to Prescrire, an excellent source of systematic reviews from France, published originally in French and than translated into English. But as per the Cochrane example medicine is a very English dominated language.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:28, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I have always expressed interest in being a member of Wiki Project Med without being on its board. What James said is what I have always understood the organization to be. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:04, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Comment: re: ...as per the Cochrane example medicine is a very English dominated language. In medical research, and in science generally, English is very much the lingua franca that facilitates international (interlanguage) communication. Whether that can be characterized as "domination" is another matter. It certainly raises many practical issues (and native writers of English almost inevitably tend to have a head start in getting their work published). The need for dissemination of research knowledge into different languages through impartial, non-industry sources is a relevant concern. Unsurprisingly, Cochrane has its own translation projects [1].

As regards flow of information across different Wikipedias, of course the situation here is rather different, given that we don't initially publish all our work in any one language. It also seems to me that the situation is somewhat complicated by the fact that different languages have different sets of WP guidelines. For instance, the English-language Wikipedia has a particularly stringent set of sourcing guidelines (en:wp:medrs), which could complicate use of content translated from a GA or FA in another language.
MistyMorn (talk) 13:13, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikimania 2014[edit]

I'm coming on the last day (Sunday). I know James will be there. Anyone else going? JFW (talk) 11:24, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

 :-) Would try to make any MED meet-up MistyMorn (talk) 13:19, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm going for all the conference. Vinicius Siqueira (talk) 16:35, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I will be there throughout, and am keen to organize some event for medics outside the main programme, with Cancer Research UK, where I am Wikipedian in residence. But I need to be fixing this shortly. Wiki CRUK John (talk) 15:17, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
  • How about something on writing style for medical content? How to communicate best with our readers, etc. MistyMorn (talk) 10:57, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
  • That's certainly playing to CRUK's strengths, although will mainly or only work for English-language editors. Or will it? I suppose the same issues exist in most languages. We could have an afternoon event, running into an early evening social. I'm going to start a sub-page to collect views on what, when, and where. I will post it on the English project talk, and would be very grateful if people could post it to other language equivalents. Of course this is for all medical editors not just members of this thorg or local projects. Link soon. Wiki CRUK John (talk) 11:24, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I will be there for all days. I want to meet medicine people and have a medicine meetup. I guess that should be Sunday, if we are all there for all of the conference except for JFW who is just there on Sunday. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:27, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Ok, link to discuss what to do: Wiki Project Med/Wikimania 2014 meetup. As above, I would be very grateful if people could post it to other language equivalents. Of course this is for all medical editors not just members of this thorg or local projects. Wiki CRUK John (talk) 11:52, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia being used as a substitute for medical advice[edit]

I read in the newspaper recently (sorry, I forgot when) that people are using Wikipedia as a substitute for medical advice. Can we have a disclaimer on top of all medicine related articles that goes something like this, "This article is not a substitute for medical advice"?—Khabboos (talk) 16:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello Khabboos! The medical disclaimer issue is an important issue unrelated to what this group does, which is to avoid bureaucracy and focus on developing health content. You can see the results of a previous discussion on this topic at en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/RFC on medical disclaimer.
The disclaimer you suggest would be posted if there is community consensus to post it. That consensus does not exist and this is a controversial issue with many perspectives. This board is probably not the place to pursue this issue as people here focus on the development of health content. I have no ideas for where you could go to talk about this - perhaps en:WP:PUMP. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:23, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Different language projects actually have different takes on this. Although most don't seem to carry disclaimers directly on medical article pages, a few do. Some that do carry more or less prominent individual page warnings containing a link to a medical disclaimer page are:
  • Chinese (zh, roughly translated, "Wikipedia is for reference only and cannot be considered professional advice. For any health problems, consult a health care professional.")
  • Dutch (nl, "Be aware of the medical information disclaimer. Consult with a health physician.")
  • German (de, "Please note the information on health topics!")
  • Italian (it, "The information provided is not medical advice and may not be accurate. The information contained herein is for illustrative purposes only and is not a substitute for medical advice: Read the health warning.")
  • Latvian (lv, "Warning: Wikipedia cannot replace a doctor!")
and
  • Esperanto (eo, "Please note the warning regarding articles about medical issues!")
MistyMorn (talk) 18:18, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for only mentioning English Wikipedia but, yes, as MistyMorn says, this is an international multilingual, multiple project issue. I am not aware of the nature of discussions on this issue outside of English language, but they have happened. I expect that more discussion has happened in English than anywhere else, just because I do not recall anyone describing a precedent for settling this in another language. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:11, 26 June 2014 (UTC)