A Q and A session about German Verein
Below is an IRC log about German verein. The conversation took place Jun 23, 2004 (UTC) on #de.wikimedia.
<tomos> How would the verein spend money? <tomos> I think there is a membership fee. (24 euro, if I remember correct.) <elian> yes <elian> first of all: <tomos> yes. <elian> send money to the foundation for hardware <tomos> I see. <elian> finance promotion actions for wikipedia in germany <elian> like a boot at congresses and so on <tomos> yes. <elian> and then we will see <tomos> :) <elian> but the most important goal is to keep the servers running ;-) <elian> tomos: you are from which country? <tomos> Japan. <tomos> I live in U.S. now. <tomos> Is there any legal limit for international transfer of the funds? <elian> yes <tomos> I have heard from Anthere that in France, no more than 40% can be sent abroad. <elian> it must be for a defined use <tomos> defined use means ..? <Sansculotte> transfers must have a dedicatet purpose <elian> such as a new server <elian> or a certain amount for traffic costs <elian> we can't send money to the foundation and say: do with it what you want <tomos> okay, so if the purpose is specified, verein can send a lot of its money to the U.S. <tomos> that sounds good and reasonable. <tomos> I have learned from Arne that verein's goal is not just to promote de. projects (de.wikipedia, de.wiktionary) <tomos> but to promote all projects. <Sansculotte> yes, indeed <tomos> But I was worried - if only 40% can be sent to the Foundation, a lot of money should be spent locally. And that would mean for german (language) projects. <tomos> But if verein can contribute to the hardware and traffic, my worry was wrong. <tomos> I am not sure how the Japanese law is, but I hope the situation is the same. <tomos> May I ask another question? <tomos> Do verein members have to pay to the Wikimedia Foundation to become Contributing Active Members? <tomos> Or if someone joins the verein, he is automatically a member of the Wikimedia Foundation? <elian> that's under discussion I think at the moment <tomos> If people contribute to the servers and traffic through verein, I think Wikimedia Foundation membership should be given to verein members. <tomos> No? <Sansculotte> double membership makes not much sense <tomos> I agree. <Sansculotte> the verein has been founded as a local german chapter of wikimedia foundation <tomos> But I guess the verein board members have its own decision-making power. <tomos> But their decisions are not about de.wikipedia? <elian> no <elian> at least not about internal wiki affairs <elian> we handle the press contacts <tomos> I see. Press contacts sounds reasonable. <tomos> Any contracting? <elian> yep <tomos> Sometimes, content partnerships and other activities involves contracting. <elian> there will be contracts <tomos> And the verein can do that on behalf of de.wikimedians and Wikimedia Foundation. <tomos> Registering domain names, for example? <Sansculotte> yes, that was the original motivation to found the verein <tomos> Any discussion about local servers? I know there are some active developers who live in Germany. <Sansculotte> sometimes some people think loud about own servers, but its widely consensus that they make not really sense <Sansculotte> its easier and cheaper and more reliable to finance more servers in the central server farm <tomos> I see. <tomos> elian and Sansculotte: May I upload this conversation to meta? <elian> from my part: yes <tomos> I can replace your name with something else, if that is better. <elian> not necessary <tomos> okay. :) I will identify you as User:Elian, then. <tomos> But if you don't like the idea, Sansculotte, I will not make this public, of course. <elian> and feel free to come here if you want news about the verein <tomos> great. :) <Sansculotte> no problem, if you want to upload it on meta <tomos> Thanks. :) I am very sure that many people are interested in verein. This would help them. <tomos> I also wonder - was there a discussion about legal responsibility of the verein? <elian> not yet <tomos> So it is not sure if verein is (or can be) responsible for de.wikipedia contents. <tomos> Say, in case of copyright violation, leaking of trade secret, defamation, etc. <elian> it won't be. the servers are in the US, we have no direct access <tomos> I see. <tomos> Thank you for your help. I will go now. <Sansculotte> bye tomos <elian> good night tomos <tomos> My best wishes to you and verein. <Sansculotte> thanks a lot