Fundraising 2010/Thursday meetings/0710

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  • Oct 07 16:49:02 <Amgine> Keegan: etherpad link is to etherpad:9-23-10 <- Sept 23
  • Oct 07 16:49:22 <Keegan> Ah, I need to remove that anyway
  • Oct 07 16:49:35 <Keegan> We're not doing it public this time.
  • Oct 07 16:49:50 <Amgine> <nods>
  • Oct 07 16:50:48 <Keegan> meganrhernandez: unless that has changed...
  • Oct 07 16:50:53 <Jamesofur> full copy of campaign up on test right now if people want to do last minute throwing at it
  • Oct 07 16:50:57 <Keegan> Philippe said don't do it last week
  • Oct 07 16:50:58 <Jamesofur> 1 banner 6 landing pages
  • Oct 07 16:51:32 * Keegan goes to fetch caffeine real quick
  • Oct 07 16:51:36 <Keegan> And Hi, Amgine!
  • Oct 07 16:51:37 <jeremyb> how inclusive is this channel? does it include rhandler or in person donation boxes? :-P
  • Oct 07 16:51:55 <Keegan> This is a completely public forum
  • Oct 07 16:52:12 <jeremyb> sure, i knew that!
  • Oct 07 16:52:12 <Keegan> We encourage its use to those that can't participate by phone to test browsers and settings
  • Oct 07 16:52:22 <Keegan> And offer general observations and questions
  • Oct 07 16:52:44 <Amgine> to those who... <wiktionarian knee-jerk>
  • Oct 07 16:53:01 <jeremyb> but does it include any part of "fundraising" besides the big onwiki fundraisers?
  • Oct 07 16:53:12 <Keegan> I don't see why not
  • Oct 07 16:53:21 <Keegan> But rhandler doesn't get on IRC very often
  • Oct 07 16:53:37 <jeremyb> i figured
  • Oct 07 16:54:41 <Keegan> Some of us are long time IRC users, some aren't as familiar (staff wise)
  • Oct 07 16:54:58 * Keegan now actually goes for the caffeine
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  • Oct 07 16:59:53 <Keegan> My bathroom light is burned out {{nobody cares}}
  • Oct 07 17:00:16 <Amgine> {sofixit}{w/cfl}
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  • Oct 07 17:03:21 <meganrhernandez> hi all
  • Oct 07 17:03:29 <meganrhernandez> so we are delayed a few minutes
  • Oct 07 17:04:29 * kaldari (~rkaldari@216.38.130.167) has joined #wikimedia-fundraising
  • Oct 07 17:05:02 <Keegan> is 801 756 596 still the meeting number?
  • Oct 07 17:05:07 <Amgine> While we're waiting, how can people not involved with the fundraising tech help out in this channel for these weekly meetings?
  • Oct 07 17:05:42 <Keegan> Amgine: We can always review banner submissions for out beat Jimmy challenge
  • Oct 07 17:05:48 <Keegan> *our
  • Oct 07 17:06:24 <Amgine> <grin> Sounds great! where can we do that? how do we submit reviews?
  • Oct 07 17:07:05 <Keegan> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010/Messages
  • Oct 07 17:07:09 <Keegan> Right over there
  • Oct 07 17:07:18 <Keegan> You can comment below each submitted banner
  • Oct 07 17:07:25 <Amgine> <nods>
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  • Oct 07 17:13:03 * Jamesofur has changed the topic to: 10-04 stat spreadsheet: http://<removed shorturl>/10_07stats | Wikimedia Foundation fundraising | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010 | Join us live by phone http://<removed shorturl>/28fopvo | Live banner testing on en.wp 22:00 to 24:00 UTC
  • Oct 07 17:13:10 * Jamesofur has changed the topic to: 10-07 stat spreadsheet: http://<removed shorturl>/10_07stats | Wikimedia Foundation fundraising | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010 | Join us live by phone http://<removed shorturl>/28fopvo | Live banner testing on en.wp 22:00 to 24:00 UTC
  • Oct 07 17:13:27 * BarkingFish (~OffToHade@cpc2-cmbg7-0-0-cust582.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #wikimedia-fundraising
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  • Oct 07 17:13:51 <BarkingFish> evening guys
  • Oct 07 17:14:09 <Jamesofur> evening barking fish :)
  • Oct 07 17:14:16 * guillom peeks.
  • Oct 07 17:14:34 <BarkingFish> we're live in 45 mins right?
  • Oct 07 17:14:40 <dgultekin> Hey BarkingFish
  • Oct 07 17:14:45 * BarkingFish can't remember if we're still in BST or not
  • Oct 07 17:14:49 <BarkingFish> hi dgultekin
  • Oct 07 17:14:55 <dgultekin> yep, live in 45. We're just trying to get in to a room to do the call
  • Oct 07 17:15:05 <BarkingFish> ok
  • Oct 07 17:15:10 <BarkingFish> same problem as last time?
  • Oct 07 17:15:32 <Jamesofur> BarkingFish: yup 45 minutes is planned though it may be a bit late today because some tweaks are still being done on some landing pages
  • Oct 07 17:15:34 <dgultekin> The board is in the office - we have a room shortage
  • Oct 07 17:15:38 <Jamesofur> ^
  • Oct 07 17:15:48 <AlexZ_> yeah
  • Oct 07 17:16:34 <BarkingFish> er...
  • Oct 07 17:16:41 <dgultekin> er?
  • Oct 07 17:16:46 <BarkingFish> I just went to join the meeting and it's asking me for a password :)
  • Oct 07 17:17:04 <AlexZ_> yeah I had mentioned that to megan earlier
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  • Oct 07 17:17:21 <BarkingFish> it hasn't done that before, so is there one available or is it a glitch?
  • Oct 07 17:17:37 <AlexZ_> well I directly called in
  • Oct 07 17:17:41 <dgultekin> Let me check, we're migrating to the correct room
  • Oct 07 17:18:02 <AlexZ_> I think the web access is just being odd
  • Oct 07 17:18:42 <jeremyb> dgultekin: not the whole board...
  • Oct 07 17:18:57 <BarkingFish> nope, it's confirming i DO need a pw. I just tried joining without one, and it's saying the meeting password is incorrect, AlexZ_
  • Oct 07 17:19:12 <dgultekin> BarkingFish: try Wikipresentation
  • Oct 07 17:19:15 <AlexZ_> BarkingFish, right. That's what I was saying.
  • Oct 07 17:19:23 <AlexZ_> it's being odd ans asking
  • Oct 07 17:19:26 <AlexZ_> *and
  • Oct 07 17:19:42 <BarkingFish> dgultekin, confirmed. it's valid
  • Oct 07 17:19:54 <dgultekin> Okay good, sorry about that.
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  • Oct 07 17:22:51 <Amgine> Uhm, has anyone noticed the Jimmy appeal begins with "Please read:", and none of the other banners do?
  • Oct 07 17:23:37 <Keegan> This is a good point
  • Oct 07 17:23:41 <BarkingFish> yes, I'd assume that's because it's an attention grabber - a personal appeal from the boss.
  • Oct 07 17:24:10 <Keegan> Well, there are options to make a please read with a donor quote, perhaps
  • Oct 07 17:24:13 <dgultekin> Perhaps we should do some "please reads" for the Jimmy challenge next week
  • Oct 07 17:24:25 <dgultekin> or another compelling letter from someone
  • Oct 07 17:24:29 <dgultekin> a donor, a reader, an editor
  • Oct 07 17:24:39 <Keegan> The nobel laureate like whoah
  • Oct 07 17:24:44 <Keegan> It's a paragraph
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  • Oct 07 17:25:02 <BarkingFish> hi kaldari
  • Oct 07 17:25:24 <guillom> BarkingFish, many people don't know who Jimmy is, or that he's "the boss" (I'd challenge that, as a sidenote ;)
  • Oct 07 17:26:06 <BarkingFish> well founder then. I wonder just how many wikipedians don't know he created the site...
  • Oct 07 17:26:24 <Amgine> No, "Please read:" is a specific advertising technique, called various things. It's an attempt to break the reader's train of thought, allowing the following message to be observed.
  • Oct 07 17:26:55 <Amgine> It doesn't matter *what* the following message is.
  • Oct 07 17:27:42 <Amgine> <goes back to skimming banners>
  • Oct 07 17:27:51 <kaldari> BarkingFish: howdy
  • Oct 07 17:28:33 <dgultekin> Here is the etherpad we'll be using today: etherpad:JyATfaaTH9
  • Oct 07 17:28:40 <Keegan> We're stalled for a few minutes, folks
  • Oct 07 17:28:57 <BarkingFish> just as a forethought, anyone have a rough list of what we're testing tonight and where?
  • Oct 07 17:29:43 <Keegan> Thanks, adjusted on meta dgultekin
  • Oct 07 17:30:01 <BarkingFish> Is that for anyone to sign onto, dgultekin or just people in the office?
  • Oct 07 17:30:01 <dgultekin> Feel free to contribute to it, it'll mostly be used as notes from this meeting which we will make publicly available on meta and in an 'update' form
  • Oct 07 17:30:09 <BarkingFish> ok, that answers my q :)
  • Oct 07 17:30:10 <dgultekin> Anyone
  • Oct 07 17:30:10 <Keegan> Just the jimmy banner, six landing pages, and only en.wiki
  • Oct 07 17:30:28 <dgultekin> Yes, tonight is mostly to test landing pages
  • Oct 07 17:30:41 <Keegan> Oh, and for two hours
  • Oct 07 17:30:56 <dgultekin> Instead of our usual one
  • Oct 07 17:31:31 <BarkingFish> I thought it was supposed to be multilingual tonight, that was what I understood from the last meet :)
  • Oct 07 17:31:37 <BarkingFish> Or have plans changed?
  • Oct 07 17:31:52 <Keegan> Plans changed
  • Oct 07 17:31:56 <BarkingFish> ok
  • Oct 07 17:31:57 <Keegan> Testing the backend
  • Oct 07 17:32:01 <Keegan> I think
  • Oct 07 17:32:36 <dgultekin> we're doing a multilingual test on Tuesday with the 'beat Jimmy' challenge
  • Oct 07 17:32:56 <BarkingFish> ok
  • Oct 07 17:33:05 <BarkingFish> same time?
  • Oct 07 17:33:28 <dgultekin> We're testing multilingual banners against Jimmy
  • Oct 07 17:33:54 <BarkingFish> that's a no contest for a start :D
  • Oct 07 17:34:19 <BarkingFish> Seeing how well Jimmy did first time round, i think that's a foregone conclusion
  • Oct 07 17:34:36 <dgultekin> Moving rooms again, we shall be back :)
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  • Oct 07 17:35:18 <BarkingFish> shall we have a quiet game of musical chairs while they're gone? :)
  • Oct 07 17:35:54 * guillom has changed the topic to: 10-07 stat spreadsheet: http://<removed shorturl>/10_07stats | Wikimedia Foundation fundraising | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010 | Join us live by phone http://<removed shorturl>/28fopvo | Live banner testing on en.wp 22:00 to 24:00 UTC | Today is nomadic fundraiser day.
  • Oct 07 17:36:07 <Keegan> Ha
  • Oct 07 17:36:08 <AlexZ_> hehe
  • Oct 07 17:36:20 <Keegan> I was going to suggest hiding the chairs
  • Oct 07 17:36:28 <BarkingFish> perfect
  • Oct 07 17:36:32 <guillom> I'm sorry, but it's hilarious to see them switch rooms every 5 minutes.
  • Oct 07 17:36:53 <Keegan> No need to apologize, I'd be laughing too
  • Oct 07 17:36:53 <BarkingFish> i've heard of changing rooms, but this is nuts :)
  • Oct 07 17:36:55 <AlexZ_> :)
  • Oct 07 17:37:00 <AlexZ_> ya
  • Oct 07 17:37:04 <dgultekin> I agree
  • Oct 07 17:37:05 <dgultekin> this is nuts
  • Oct 07 17:37:07 <dgultekin> :)
  • Oct 07 17:37:12 <BarkingFish> Why don't you just knock a damn great hole in the wall and walk through it :)
  • Oct 07 17:37:22 <dgultekin> The tech team was laughing at the parade of fundraisers moving room to room
  • Oct 07 17:37:42 <Keegan> Because we raise the fun
  • Oct 07 17:37:43 * kaldari (~rkaldari@216.38.130.163) has joined #wikimedia-fundraising
  • Oct 07 17:38:09 <BarkingFish> incidentally, if anyone hears a heavy breather over the mic, please let me know, my shirt hasn't got many places for my tieclip mic :)
  • Oct 07 17:38:22 <BarkingFish> so it's about 6in under my nose
  • Oct 07 17:38:26 <dgultekin> It's fleet week here - so if you hear fighter jets over the phone, do not fear
  • Oct 07 17:39:41 <dgultekin> We're not being attacked, just demonstrating our patriotism... I guess
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  • Oct 07 17:40:11 <BarkingFish> either that or Cheyenne issued a Red card, dgultekin :)
  • Oct 07 17:40:39 <Keegan> Okay, the crew is settled and back to bidniz
  • Oct 07 17:42:33 <dgultekin> BarkingFish: lol
  • Oct 07 17:42:57 <Keegan> So we're doing some tests from test credit donations for a last check
  • Oct 07 17:43:58 <BarkingFish> Keegan, logged in, anon or both?
  • Oct 07 17:44:18 <BarkingFish> ok
  • Oct 07 17:44:18 <Keegan> anon
  • Oct 07 17:44:21 <BarkingFish> cheers
  • Oct 07 17:44:44 <Keegan> and let us know what tunnel you used
  • Oct 07 17:45:51 <BarkingFish> no tunnel, I'm ipv4 - running IE8 only at the moment
  • Oct 07 17:45:59 <tomaszf> https://payments.wikimedia.org/index.php/Special:PayflowProGateway?utm_medium=sitenotice&utm_campaign=thursday_fundraiser&utm_source=2010_testing44&masthead=none&form_name=TwoColumnLetter&text_template=2010/JimmyAppealLong&language=en&utm_source_id=11 -> 1.33
  • Oct 07 17:46:11 <kaldari> just tested horizontal 2-column form with the big PayPal button - works!
  • Oct 07 17:46:19 <kaldari> paid through PayPal
  • Oct 07 17:46:26 <kaldari> the banners are only for anonymous logged out users
  • Oct 07 17:46:31 <kaldari> they are live on http://test.wikipedia.org/
  • Oct 07 17:46:39 <awjr> lmk what your comment was too, plz
  • Oct 07 17:46:43 <snafu> 1 N Y <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:ContributionHistory?offset=1286487857#529583>
  • Oct 07 17:47:01 * Schapman_ (~chatzilla@216.38.130.161) has joined #wikimedia-fundraising
  • Oct 07 17:47:08 <kaldari> my comment was 'hello everybody' or something
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  • Oct 07 17:47:28 * Schapman_ is now known as Schapman
  • Oct 07 17:47:41 <meganrhernandez> https://payments.wikimedia.org/index.php/Special:PayflowProGateway?utm_medium=sitenotice&utm_campaign=thursday_fundraiser&utm_source=2010_testing44&masthead=none&form_name=TwoColumnLetter&text_template=2010/JimmyAppealLong&language=en&utm_source_id=11
  • Oct 07 17:47:44 <meganrhernandez> go team!
  • Oct 07 17:47:47 <BarkingFish> any reason why there is such a limited amount of currencies on the payments page?
  • Oct 07 17:48:00 <tomaszf> because payflow only supports a limited amount of currencies
  • Oct 07 17:48:31 <BarkingFish> ok tomaszf - no problem. It just struck me as odd, so many countries, so few currencies...
  • Oct 07 17:48:49 <tomaszf> yup, if you have friends at paypal tell them to add more currencies to payflow
  • Oct 07 17:48:51 <tomaszf> we'd love to have them
  • Oct 07 17:49:20 <Jamesofur> https://payments.wikimedia.org/index.php/Special:PayflowProGateway?utm_medium=sitenotice&utm_campaign=thursday_fundraiser&utm_source=2010_testing44&masthead=2010/JimmyAppealShort&form_name=TwoColumn&language=en&utm_source_id=13
  • Oct 07 17:49:40 <dgultekin> I'm sharing the etherpad over webex right now, I'll switch this up as we go
  • Oct 07 17:50:23 <AlexZ_> https://payments.wikimedia.org/index.php/Special:PayflowProGateway?utm_medium=sitenotice&utm_campaign=thursday_fundraiser&utm_source=2010_testing44&masthead=none&form_name=TwoColumnLetter&text_template=2010/JimmyAppealShort&language=en&utm_source_id=12
  • Oct 07 17:50:46 <Keegan> https://payments.wikimedia.org/index.php/Special:PayflowProGateway?utm_medium=sitenotice&utm_campaign=thursday_fundraiser&utm_source=2010_testing44&masthead=none&form_name=TwoColumnLetter&text_template=2010/JimmyAppealLong&language=en&utm_source_id=11
  • Oct 07 17:50:54 <meganrhernandez> thanks dgultekin
  • Oct 07 17:53:02 <awjr> Jamesofur and ALexZ_ what wree your comments?
  • Oct 07 17:53:07 <awjr> in your tests
  • Oct 07 17:53:20 <Jamesofur> Testing for knowledge
  • Oct 07 17:53:21 <AlexZ_> Mine was "test donation" or something
  • Oct 07 17:54:12 <kaldari> just tested https://payments.wikimedia.org/index.php/Special:PayflowProGateway?utm_medium=sitenotice&utm_campaign=thursday_fundraiser&utm_source=2010_testing44&masthead=none&form_name=TwoColumnLetter&text_template=2010/JimmyAppealShort&language=en&utm_source_id=12
  • Oct 07 17:54:23 <kaldari> comment was '2nd test w PayPal'
  • Oct 07 17:54:30 <awjr> Jamesofur I'm not seeing your test contribution
  • Oct 07 17:55:16 <Jamesofur> hmm
  • Oct 07 17:55:19 <Jamesofur> I did get the thank you
  • Oct 07 17:55:30 <Jamesofur> I posted my link right after I got there
  • Oct 07 17:55:53 <kaldari> we're delaying launch until 3:30
  • Oct 07 17:55:54 <Jamesofur> no thank you email sorry
  • Oct 07 17:55:58 <Jamesofur> just thank you page
  • Oct 07 17:58:03 <dgultekin> We're delaying the start of the test by 30 min
  • Oct 07 17:58:13 <awjr> there's something wrong with at least https://payments.wikimedia.org/index.php/Special:PayflowProGateway?utm_medium=sitenotice&utm_campaign=thursday_fundraiser&utm_source=2010_testing44&masthead=2010/JimmyAppealShort&form_name=TwoColumn&language=en&utm_source_id=13
  • Oct 07 17:58:21 <awjr> comments from there are not being recorded
  • Oct 07 17:58:23 <BarkingFish> so you're firing at 23:30 UTC?
  • Oct 07 17:58:35 <kaldari> I believe that's the plan currently
  • Oct 07 17:58:46 <dgultekin> It's all subject to change :)
  • Oct 07 17:58:51 <BarkingFish> ok
  • Oct 07 17:58:58 <meganrhernandez> yes, that is the plan BarkingFish
  • Oct 07 17:59:09 <BarkingFish> *UTC+1 - 22:30UTC
  • Oct 07 17:59:17 <BarkingFish> I hate summer time :)
  • Oct 07 17:59:25 <BarkingFish> keep messing with the clocks and stuff
  • Oct 07 18:00:37 <BarkingFish> still doing a 2 hour test though?
  • Oct 07 18:01:05 <tomaszf> awkr: anything that we can do help ?
  • Oct 07 18:01:11 <tomaszf> awjr: --^
  • Oct 07 18:01:25 <awjr> not that i can think of atm
  • Oct 07 18:01:46 <BarkingFish> lol
  • Oct 07 18:01:58 <snafu> Go team! <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:ContributionHistory?offset=1286488446#529584>
  • Oct 07 18:01:58 <snafu> Test donation! <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:ContributionHistory?offset=1286488446#529585>
  • Oct 07 18:01:58 <snafu> 2nd test w PayPal <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:ContributionHistory?offset=1286488446#529588>
  • Oct 07 18:01:59 <BarkingFish> good call at writing "postponing" :)
  • Oct 07 18:02:56 <Jamesofur> awjr: I did get my thank you email btw
  • Oct 07 18:02:56 <BarkingFish> can someone ID which landing page is borked?
  • Oct 07 18:03:28 <tomaszf> BarkingFish: awjr already sent that out 2010_testing44&masthead=2010/JimmyAppealShort&form_name=TwoColumn&language=en&utm_source_id=13
  • Oct 07 18:03:43 <BarkingFish> sorry tomaszf - missed it :)
  • Oct 07 18:04:03 * nimish_g_ (~nimishgau@216.38.130.162) has joined #wikimedia-fundraising
  • Oct 07 18:04:23 * Keegan pets snerk
  • Oct 07 18:07:25 <Amgine> <thinks there is nothing in the banner list which will challenge the Jimmy ad>
  • Oct 07 18:07:27 <meganrhernandez> thanks, BarkingFish
  • Oct 07 18:08:23 <BarkingFish> sorry, didn't mean to embarass you - I still haven't worked out how etherpad works properly, do the colors in the main box correspond with the ones assigned in the chat box?
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  • Oct 07 18:08:29 <Schapman> here i am
  • Oct 07 18:08:38 <dgultekin> Found you :)
  • Oct 07 18:08:48 <tomaszf> BarkingFish: yes
  • Oct 07 18:09:10 <BarkingFish> ok, cool. I've never used an etherpad before, so new experience for me
  • Oct 07 18:09:44 <dgultekin> It's a poor spellers worst nightmare
  • Oct 07 18:09:52 <dgultekin> aka mine
  • Oct 07 18:10:54 <BarkingFish> tell me about it. My spelling is a nightmare. I'm ok on here, but put me on pen and paper and I can barely read my own handwriting!
  • Oct 07 18:11:06 <BarkingFish> Let alone work out what I've spelled, or how
  • Oct 07 18:11:37 <dgultekin> I blame my handwriting on my computer use
  • Oct 07 18:11:55 * guillom lols at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:ContributionHistory
  • Oct 07 18:12:29 <BarkingFish> dgultekin, i am dyslexic. I couldn't spell my own name until I was 8.
  • Oct 07 18:12:52 <BarkingFish> PC's made that better by working out what I'd typed wrongly, and putting it right
  • Oct 07 18:13:08 <dgultekin> or at least putting a red line under it
  • Oct 07 18:13:13 <BarkingFish> yup
  • Oct 07 18:13:30 <dgultekin> I keep forgetting I"m sharing my screen, I apologize for all the random screens I'm opening
  • Oct 07 18:13:53 <BarkingFish> no problem.
  • Oct 07 18:16:43 <snafu> yeah this is a test <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:ContributionHistory?offset=1286489641#529590>
  • Oct 07 18:17:48 <meganrhernandez> i love the etherpad!
  • Oct 07 18:17:48 <meganrhernandez> always
  • Oct 07 18:17:59 <meganrhernandez> please join in the fun
  • Oct 07 18:19:37 <meganrhernandez> so do you guys know what we're looking to learn from today's test?
  • Oct 07 18:20:23 <meganrhernandez> we're testing different versions of the jimmy landing page to find out which performs the best
  • Oct 07 18:21:19 <meganrhernandez> vertical form vs. horizontal, image/no image, one-step payment process vs. two - step process
  • Oct 07 18:24:32 <kaldari> just tested https://payments.wikimedia.org/index.php/Special:PayflowProGateway?utm_medium=sitenotice&utm_campaign=thursday_fundraiser&utm_source=2010_testing44&masthead=2010/JimmyAppealShort&form_name=TwoColumnPayPal&language=en&utm_source_id=14
  • Oct 07 18:24:47 <kaldari> comment "3rd test via PayPal on TwoColumnPayPal"
  • Oct 07 18:25:05 <Amgine> Error: The stylesheet https://payments.wikimedia.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Print.css&usemsgcache=yes&ctype=text%2Fcss&smaxage=18000&action=raw&maxage=18000 was not loaded because its MIME type, "text/html", is not "text/css".
  • Oct 07 18:25:50 <kaldari> Amgine: noted, thanks!
  • Oct 07 18:25:53 <Amgine> (not that I'm planning on printing it, but...)
  • Oct 07 18:25:53 <Schapman> yo Deniz; Serbian is translated: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fundraising_2010/Messages/sr&uselang=sr
  • Oct 07 18:26:11 <BarkingFish> meganrhernandez, personally i think you're gonna get your best results from the most personal & fastest method - so image, horizontal layout (less scrolling down page) and one step payment.
  • Oct 07 18:31:58 <snafu> go wikipedia! <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:ContributionHistory?offset=1286490510#529596>
  • Oct 07 18:32:39 <dgultekin> We're delaying again until 4
  • Oct 07 18:32:53 <BarkingFish> ok
  • Oct 07 18:32:54 <dgultekin> If we can't fix the problem by then, we'll hold off till tomorrow
  • Oct 07 18:33:33 <BarkingFish> is the code for the landing page available to view?
  • Oct 07 18:35:31 <BarkingFish> *sorry, I meant the code for the faulty forms. My brain is not with it tonight
  • Oct 07 18:36:05 <Jamesofur> BarkingFish: Yea I like the horizontal myself
  • Oct 07 18:36:41 <Jamesofur> and you can see some of the code with view source on the page
  • Oct 07 18:36:42 <dgultekin> BarkingFish: Yes, it's in donation interface extension
  • Oct 07 18:37:15 <BarkingFish> great :) any chance of a url? Still finding my way round...
  • Oct 07 18:37:40 <kaldari> one sec...
  • Oct 07 18:37:45 <BarkingFish> thanks kaldari
  • Oct 07 18:38:15 <kaldari> http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/DonationInterface/payflowpro_gateway/
  • Oct 07 18:38:17 <awjr> ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHH
  • Oct 07 18:38:22 <kaldari> the forms are in the /forms/ dir
  • Oct 07 18:38:33 <BarkingFish> I want to compare the faulty form code to the code of the other donate pages which are working.
  • Oct 07 18:38:47 <awjr> good luck :
  • Oct 07 18:38:50 <awjr> :)
  • Oct 07 18:40:18 <BarkingFish> kaldari, ok - thanks. which two aren't functioning?
  • Oct 07 18:40:39 <kaldari> TwoColumn.php and TwoColumnPayPal.php
  • Oct 07 18:40:53 <kaldari> they seem to be dropping the comment and checkbox info
  • Oct 07 18:41:07 <BarkingFish> ok
  • Oct 07 18:41:12 <kaldari> the form code is identical to TwoColumnLetter.php which works fine
  • Oct 07 18:41:27 <kaldari> so it's a bit mysterious
  • Oct 07 18:41:44 <awjr> the opt-out code is the same in all the forms
  • Oct 07 18:42:29 <BarkingFish> hmmm
  • Oct 07 18:46:43 <snafu> It's the least I can do for all the help this site has given me. <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:ContributionHistory?offset=1286491385#529598>
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  • Oct 07 18:50:20 <dgultekin> Okay, we are going to have to hold off on the test
  • Oct 07 18:50:22 <meganrhernandez> holding off until tomorrow
  • Oct 07 18:51:07 <BarkingFish> right, i may be a little late tomorrow night, i'm not off work until 11pm UTC
  • Oct 07 18:51:26 <BarkingFish> i'm checking the form code in the mean time and I'll note any issues if I spot them.
  • Oct 07 18:51:46 <dgultekin> We're giving it one more minute actually
  • Oct 07 18:51:52 <dgultekin> awjr may have found the problem
  • Oct 07 18:52:22 <awjr> i did
  • Oct 07 18:52:32 <awjr> but it's not something i can fix particularly quickly
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  • Oct 07 18:53:13 <awjr> it's because we started using an exact copy of the original cc form as a single-step form
  • Oct 07 18:53:21 <awjr> kaldari: can we confer for a sec?
  • Oct 07 18:53:26 <kaldari> sure
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  • Oct 07 18:54:13 <dgultekin> Okay, tomorrow for sure
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  • Oct 07 18:54:19 <dgultekin> same time, same place
  • Oct 07 18:54:45 <Keegan> End log
  • Oct 07 18:55:39 <BarkingFish> awjr, was the original cc form a two step payment?
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  • Oct 07 18:55:55 <awjr> BarkingFish: yep
  • Oct 07 18:56:18 <awjr> so we need to make the single-step form that's using the 'TwoColumn' template use a different template
  • Oct 07 18:56:27 <awjr> that won't overwrite the comment/opt out fields
  • Oct 07 18:56:39 <BarkingFish> 0.o
  • Oct 07 18:56:51 <awjr> which, actually is a relatively easy fix, it's just gonna take a bit of time and we'll need to update the URLs
  • Oct 07 18:57:29 <BarkingFish> ok, well I'm best to leave that to you :) I don't have an account on the svn
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  • Oct 07 19:00:00 <BarkingFish> sounds like someone needs a drink :)
  • Oct 07 19:00:42 <dgultekin> We will be having the next test at 11am PST
  • Oct 07 19:01:03 <meganrhernandez> tomorrow friday 10/8