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Separation from admins

I think admin and bureaucrat could be separated. That is, one does not have to be an administrator to become a bureaucrat. I am not sure if this is technically a feasible arrangement, but if I think about the aspect of wikipedia's self-governance this makes sense. Giving bureaucrat status for non-admins would bring less concentration of power, and more checks-and-balances. Not that concentration of power or abuse thereof is a serious issue where I am usually active (Japanese wikipedia). Just a thought. Tomos 22:23, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. And the bureaucrats should be elected by overwhelming majority of users. (Maybe even without any voice against this candidate).
--DIG 03:23, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I disagree entirely. If you are a bureaucrat, you can make yourself an admin. Requirements for admin are fairly lax, if you can't even meet them you should not be a bureaucrat. There are still some things that an admin can do that can not be fixed; a rogue bureaucrat could make a bunch of vandals into admins and they could thoroughly kill a site. —Ben Brockert < 00:05, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Technically adminship and bureaucratship are separate. Bureaucrats may grant local users adminship with or without bureaucratship, but they cannot promote users into bureaucrats without adminship. If a user with adminship and bureaucratship wants to relinquish either user class, a request may be sent to Steward requests/Permissions. Likewise, when requesting demotion of someone else with adminship and bureaucratship, which user class to remove should be specified.--Jusjih 03:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


Do you have to be a specific age to be a bureaucrat?--Dummmmmmy 22:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

No. Majorly (talk) 22:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Only user classes such as Checkuser, Oversight and Steward etc. are age-selective. AnonymousDissident 23:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
These three user classes require minimum age while involving very sensitive privacy concern, so candidates must identify themselves to the Foundation. Other user classes like bureaucrats and administrators do not involve such a sensitive concern, so theoretically a person not having become a teenager may be eligible to be an administrator or a bureaucrat.--Jusjih 03:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Update instructions on how to grant bot flag?

The instructions at the bottom of this page on how to grant a bot flag refer the reader to the page mw:Extension:MakeBot, which is marked with a tag at the top saying that it's obsolete. I guess bureaucrats are now supposed to use Special:Userrights, not Special:MakeBot, to grant the bot flag. I suggest that the instructions on this page be updated to show that. Coppertwig 20:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. It isn't completely unused. I personally use Makebot to flag bots, so the rights log isn't clogged up, and it's easy to see what's been made a bot. Majorly talk 20:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
The obsolete tag just tells others that they should use the core functionality on their personal wiki rather than the extension. FunPika 20:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)