Talk:Community Wishlist/Wishes/After making a new page, make it a draft so bad pages aren't left E.g. Maximal Rank Conjecture.

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Not feasible or good

Don't think this is a good idea or feasible for many reasons. It may however be a good idea to do this for people creating their first article if they are below a certain number of added unreverted bytes and edits for example. Not much of a problem is solved here while it would be a huge drag and resource sink and source of problems in practice. Prototyperspective (talk) 22:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Instead of just asserting that there are “many reasons”, maybe try actually listing any. Timwi (talk) 05:38, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

It can take very long until drafts are reviewed is one reason also the barriers are at times unreasonably higher and it's just extra problems for experienced editors (again for unexperienced ones this may make sense). There's far too few people reviewing drafts. Prototyperspective (talk) 10:15, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

However, I would propose that new articles are tagged as needing review by a bot that identifies pages that are very short / stubs and/or have only very few refs and/or have a very low reading score or many spelling errors etc. It could for example add them to a category:"New articles needing review" or something like it and maybe a new wish should be created for that. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Technically, this could be done directly when saving server-side. Minilexikon (talk) 20:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Prototyperspective. Smaller wikis (which are as important as the larger projects) don't have nor the capacity nor the necessary community to reviewe drafts. Furthermore, as I strongly support community indpendence I think it is best for the communities alone to decide on whether implement draft system or not. A09|(pogovor) 09:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Slightly different approach

This shouldn't be the default, however, drafts could be a good idea:

• Only for new users (this could be a role (e.g. autoconfirmed / confirmed))
• A setting to enable/disable this functionality depending on the moderation capacities of a community
• Drafts can also be manually created when an article otherwise would fall under the deletion policy
• Drafts could work a little more like whiteboards in that they don't have to be complete articles but a collection of resources to eventually result in an article (this might require a special GUI to improve collaboration)
• Drafts can be group projects (similar to portals, so moving drafts in the user namespace while possible might not be ideal here)
• Collaborators can annotate directly by selecting a portion of the text which opens a form to the side or the like (similar to genius.com)
  • Comments
  • Change suggestions
  • Critique (quality (good/green, bad/red), type (grammar, style, etc.))

Minilexikon (talk) 11:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Drafts usually have their own namespace (Draft:). The last point is probably best done through a template so we don't need to over-implement things or spend funds on implementations that could be done easier. Best regards, A09|(pogovor) 13:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I think the last point is good and would be a good wish / proposal and can't be done with templates. See Commons:Category:Annotated comments for documents on the Web for some examples. However, just some short text is usually enough one can just point to specific parts, still I think it would be a nice thing to have but I guess it would not be worth the effort to implement. Prototyperspective (talk) 13:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

Hey @Sushidude21! - this is an interesting wish, but as mentioned by folks on this Talk page, there are some questions. Could you elaborate on your wish, sharing the problem you'd like to solve, and see if the ideas proposed may help? JWheeler-WMF (talk) 03:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

My idea came from this. I like making pages for things that don't yet have one. I recently made a page for the Maximal Rank Conjecture (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximal_rank_conjecture#). However, it is garbage so far. This is partly due to the fact that I am an inexperienced editor. Also, I don't know how to make it a draft. Now, when a person makes a page, it is automatically made the official page until it is noticed and moved to draftspace if necessary. I believe that to prevent bad pages, pages made by editors, especially inexperienced ones like myself, should be automatically made drafts to prevents things like this page, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximal_rank_conjecture#, from happening. Sushidude21! (talk) 03:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks - this is great context. Could you add to the wish description? JWheeler-WMF (talk) 04:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

No clue how to do that honestly. Sushidude21! (talk) 04:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind i figure it out Sushidude21! (talk) 04:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

You could have created that at w:Draft:Maximal rank conjecture if you chose to. NPP, if they agree it's crap, can move it to draft space. There's no need for any additional work from Community Tech here, and this wish is premised on not trusting people to assess their own work. * Pppery * _{it has begun} 16:50, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree. NPP already moves bad but perhaps promising pages to draft. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC)