Talk:Oversight policy

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Problem in the Oversight policy[edit]

The Oversight policy allows or forces the deletion of threats etc. that are present in usernames. The policy does not remove threats, harassment, execution calls, etc., despite the fact that it is generally had more attention. This is a serious omission in the policy and can have a serious impact on Wikipedians or other people. In addition, not removing such content may also result in legal problems. The policy would have to be supplemented so that pages are also removed.--π–π’π€π’ππšπ²πžπ« πŸ‘€πŸ’¬ 08:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@WikiBayer: inappropriate edits with life-safety concerns are normally handled by the WMF T&S team under the Threats of harm process, who can take any measures they need to address the situation - including suppression. In many case, if a threat does not include personal information I would think that deletion normally would suffice, and is more readily available on projects. Are there some example scenarios you could outline where there is a gap in the response capability? (no real examples please). β€” xaosflux Talk 13:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@xaosflux For example, politicians or people in public are threatened & LTAs write death threats against Stewards/global sysops/sysops. I had previously written to a team member who also agreed that this was a loophole in the OS policy. (The occasion was a call for execution) CSteinberger (WMF), suggested that I start discussion.--π–π’π€π’ππšπ²πžπ« πŸ‘€πŸ’¬ 14:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@WikiBayer: I don't see an account for "CSteinberger (WMF)" - can you link to the account and ask for feedback? The OS policy shouldn't be hindering T&S? β€” xaosflux Talk 15:15, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Saw your email too, I don't read that language - but is that a case where you think revision deletion isn't enough and where WMF T&S wouldn't get involved either? (i.e. something where the policy needs to be expanded to allow stewards to act where they currently can not?) β€” xaosflux Talk 15:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Sorry the for false account name is CSteigenberger (WMF). So far I have only spoken to one member of WMF T&S and as far as I know there was no conversation with colleagues at that time, so I cannot say whether WMF T&S generally does not intervene in something like that. Yes, the policy is to be expanded so that Stewards / Oversighters can remove any type of serious attack / threat / execution call--π–π’π€π’ππšπ²πžπ« πŸ‘€πŸ’¬18:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@WikiBayer: I understand that you want to expand the policy, but not why you think deletion is insufficient - can you expand on that? β€” xaosflux Talk 18:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Threats / most serious insults etc. always have a negative impact on the person concerned, therefore, this should be removed consistently to protect them. Wikimedia is a social project and therefore has a special responsibility to protect people. In addition, non-removal may be legally questionable in some countries.--π–π’π€π’ππšπ²πžπ« πŸ‘€πŸ’¬ 12:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
@WikiBayer: so you are concerned that an administrator needs to be protected from using their view-delete access to view a negative message that is about them, on their own talk page for example? Deletion already "removes" the edit for all other cases. β€” xaosflux Talk 16:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
I am concerned that someone will retrieve deleted content that are negative to other people and not responsible handling deleted content. Even though most administrators handle the deleted content well, there is a risk that such edits will be disseminated. There are several hundred people globally who have access to deleted content in at least 1 project. There is always a risk.--π–π’π€π’ππšπ²πžπ« πŸ‘€πŸ’¬ 14:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)