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Latest comment: 5 years ago by R.T.Argenton

@Asaf (WMF) and Victorgrigas: great! Finally WMF investing in videos. And it's nice to see Grigas around here!

However it's little bit too long, I, that have interesting on this, derail my attention several times, image a person not that interested... A link to Wikipedia?? Commons' link would be better...

Moreover, how this video is different from a text page? I'm not seeing any advantage on this video over a well built page. I don't want to demotivate the creation of videos, but you didn't use the video qualities to improve the didactic.

And Outreach: would not be a better place to create this page? Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 17:17, 7 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

  • About the length of the video -- This was debated, we wanted it to be as short as possible without leaving out anything that OTRS volunteers felt needed to be communicated. That is no small task. OTRS and copyright law are dense, boring topics SO! The answer was to break the 20-minute video into 11 different parts, so that someone could watch the introduction and then be guided to a particular scenario. It was also designed to be as easy to 'fork' as possible into any language. This meant that we wanted NO NARRATOR or actors saying anything with their tongues, because that would force people to endure THAT language and culture, even if the audio was dubbed later. You still CAN ADD a narrator if you feel like it of course, or use this video as a guide to make a new video. Basically, we all wanted to make something that would be as translatable and short as possible without leaving out anything needed to be told.
  • The OTRS volunteers who advised on this project had many things to say and wanted a video that would help to save them time. I think that this can help to do that because if you watch the introduction, you get the gist of copyright law, the difference between Creative Commons and Wikimedia Commons, how Wikimedia is managed by volunteers, and how OTRS is a way to share your media with Wikimedia under so many situations. Ask someone to read text to explain that and then try to quiz them to see if they get what it means. I don't think it would take 5 minutes. The video is different from a text page in that it is a video, there is music and pretty pictures to look at. NOT EVERYONE likes to read plain non-moving text written on a webpage, and putting it in a video in the format of one-sentence-at-a-time forces the viewer to read the sentence before the next sentence appears (I blogged about this style of video at length here: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/01/11/how-to-video-newsreel/ ). Again, the video has been broken into 11 parts and many of those are around one minute each, so they do quickly communicate their points. There is also not yet any "well built page" that I'm aware of to point users to, but if you feel like making it please be my guest and do it! More tools are better and if you can make this video obsolete then that is a good thing. I'll add that these 11 parts can be embedded in any future well-built webpage to explain the topic. If you have ideas about how the use of video could have been used better for "didactic" I'm interested in your suggestions!

Victorgrigas (talk) 21:43, 9 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hi Victor,
Thank you for the answer.
One point that could be good to show is have a real example with all the steps.
How to upload a file, include the template, write the email...
Image a video were a person show all the steps needed
"This is Maria Lee, she want to send an email authorizing her work..."
Maria have to write a email as "I hereby affirm that me, Maria Lee, the creator and..."
Got it? This part is very confusing at the wiki page, and normally I have to write down the email to the partner, and upload also.
And you suggest the use of the generator, that only work in English, not helpful for any other language...
I understand what you mean by no narrator, but you could create a complete audio and separate the background sound and the narration.
One thing that I missed is the explanation on why they should authorize the commercial usage.
And Wikimedia Commons accepts CC-by, CC-by sa, and CC0... it's weird the "It declares that you have given permission to publish your photo under the CC by-SA 4.0 license"
I believe that consult GLAM volunteers could show another via to improve this videos, as other questions would pop up... but it's a start, thank you again.
Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 22:22, 10 June 2019 (UTC)Reply