Talk:WikiHiero

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Hi!

Is this the same plugin that's used by Wikipedia to display hieroglyphic text? I'm guessing it is. Anyway, how do I install this into a Wiki of my own creation? I have a blank clean install of a media wiki read and waiting. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Phil

I have the same request as Phil here. Following the instructions on the wikihiero homepage does not work for mediawiki. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Gimil-Marduk
Same here. How does it work? --Anonyma 15:52, 24. April 2006

I just added a Swedish translation of the interface. I hope I did get the syntax right! / Mats 17:45, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Dans l'interface il manque la traduction des titres Images Source et dans la liste déroulante (text only, simple html, ...), , c'est toujours le libellé anglais qui apparaît quelle qe soit la langue choisie. Les mots qui font liens Phonem All restent aussi en anglais.

en Images
eo Bildoj
fr Images
en Source
eo Fonto
fr Source

ArnoLagrange 07:33, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Merci. Des que j'ai fini d'internationalisé toute l'interface, je te préviens. Aineko

Is there an easy way to have them inline with text? Like if I wanted a hieroglyph in the middle of a sentance, or do they always have to be on a new line? Angela 19:55, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

It's not a problem from WikiHiero. E23 who have (nicely) added it to Wikimedia put it into <pre></pre> tags, but it has to change. Aineko 02:45, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Ho! In fact, there are no problem, it's just a HTML rules.
For example:
aaa<table><tr><td>bbb</td></tr></table>ccc
May be render as:

aaa

bbb

ccc

Aineko 10:00, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hieroglyph coding manual[edit]

Several references to this, but can't find it anywhere. What is it and where can we look at it? --Phil 08:01, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

There's a link to it at the bottom of the content page attached to this talk page. 8-> --Ssd 02:00, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
No, I don't think there is, unless we're looking at two different articles. However, I seem to have found a good candidate at Manual de Codage (catchpenny): is this the one you mean? --Phil 08:34, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
In fact, the homepage of the organism managing the MdC (Manuel de Codage) (the CCER) is actually down. I have a dump of the site at home but I haven't any good alternative sites to recommend. The one you give below seem good (Hans van den Berg is one of the original writers). Aineko 09:20, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Questions and Suggestions[edit]

  1. Gardiner's original glyphs at http://showcase.netins.net/web/ankh/gardiner.html come in different colours. Is this significant and if so are you going to provide the glyphs in the correct colour? --Phil 11:56, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
    In fact, MdC use black hieroglyph as default, but allow writer to specify hieroglyph's color manually. I have both (black and red) set of picture; it just make pictures sizes double ;o) I add it to the todo list. Aineko
  2. I note you are implementing bracket support. Are you also planning to introduce the shading codes, etc? --Phil 07:43, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
    I named it stripping. I corrected todo list, thanks. Aineko
  3. The proposed Unicode script (http://www.dkuug.dk/JTC1/SC2/WG2/docs/n1944.pdf) shows way more glyphs. Are you going to implement these? -- Schnargel 03:48, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
    WikiHiero is dynamic, so if you provide new hieroglyph pictures, they will work immediatly on WP. Aineko 01:27, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  4. I tried this (instead of the last sign ther would be some more ;-) ):
    <2
    [V28p
    t]
    N36
    D
    i
    1>
    The following problems appear:
    1. the first three signs should be over the fourth sign
    2. the snake can not go "around" another sign (maybe there should be something like a shape ?)
    3. the snake should be mirrored (in the referenced Unicode script (paragraph 3) there is a mirrorsign for this, as there are also grouping signs)
    4. hiero is not compatible to numbered lists ;-(
    5. columnwise writing and writing from left to right (this last can be faked) should also be possible, as Egypts wrote in three directions...
    Do you know some workarounds? -- User:Brombeer 09:40, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
No. There is a list of not yet supported features. I'd like to work on that when I'll have time to. Aineko 04:52, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikihiero hommepage[edit]

I'm planning on modifying Wikihiero so that I can integrate it into my Web site (Glyphdoctors). I have a question about the order in which the signs are displayed. If I click on one of Gardiner's categories, the signs seem to be listed in a rather odd order? Why? And is there a way to get them to display in proper Gardiner order? Secondly, what is the point of the phoneme category, as they seem to be listed in a random order as well? Would it be possible to add categories for uniliterals, biliterals and triliterals? I would be happy to do some of this work myself, if someone could tell me how these particular things are sorted. I've looked at the code and frankly I can't seem to see how this is done. You can get in touch with me by sending me an email through my Web site. Thanks. Nicole Hansen

I suppose you are speaking about my WikiHiero homepage. It's just a test page to test the hieroglyphs rendering of WikiHiero plug-in. The hieroglyphs are in odd order into the list because I don't sort them (I just read all files starting with A, B, C. etc.). When I created this homepage I didn't have information to know if a hieroglyph is a unilateral, a bilateral or a trilateral (it's why I didn't create those useful categories). I have that information right now, but unfortunately, I don't have time actually to work on a new version of this homepage. Aineko 04:52, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not talking about the homepage, I'm talking about the code that is available for download there. I'm going to take the code itself and have it integrated in my site. I've got a programmer that will work with me. I just wanted to know if the code had any sort mechanism built into it or not. If it is necessary, I can have that coded myself. Nicole

How to make extensions more newbie-friendly[edit]

This probably belongs somewhere else. Feel free to move it; I can't figure out where it goes. I'd put it at feature requests, but I think it needs to incubate a little first.

One of the arguments against syntax extensions like WikiHiero is that they make for non-newbie-friendly source. The rest of wiki syntax is much more intuitive. Someone with experience in XML/HTML/SGML or anything using <foo>-style syntax will at least understand how to work around extensions, but others will be lost. What if the wiki detected if a page used extensions and, if so, displayed a message explaining, very briefly, to edit around <foo>-style tags if the user doesn't understand them? --Spikey 00:51, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

There were a big discussion about extension syntax, then a vote to chose witch syntax we will use. <ext_name></ext_name> was chosed by the community. Aineko 01:27, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Dead Link[edit]

The Testlink is dead :( error 404 :(

Seem to work. Aineko 05:10, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

New translation[edit]

Just to say that I've translated the interface to Serbian and fixed several existing strings (missing commas). Nikola Smolenski 15:28, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Still can't install[edit]

I sill haven't been able to get this installed in my wiki. There don't seem to be any instructions out there! I've never installed an extension before but I did try adding 'require_once( "extensions/wikihiero/wikihiero.php" );' to my LocalSettings.php file to no avail. I type in the wikihiero syntax and get zero, zip, not a saussage.

That's the way it works with other extensions. I cannot make wikihiero work either. --84.187.153.248 17:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Please see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiHiero#How_to_Install_on_MediaWiki ; Hope this helps -- All the best, Nickj. 218.215.13.164 08:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Those instructions don't seem very clear. I assume we'd put them in a Secure Shell interface, but I'd rather not... I tried essentially doing the same thing; uploading the contents from the downloaded wikihiero folder and adding the require line to LocalSettings, but nothing happens-- WikiHiero doesn't show up in my list of extensions on the Versions page, nor do the hiero tags work, even though I thought I installed everything properly/in their proper location and have a version compatible with this. If someone could clarify the directions just a bit, I'd appreciate it. :) I can't make heads or tails of those directions or of the ones on the WikiHiero page. Even in the ZIP readme, things are wrong-- the file names are spelled incorrectly, so I'm not even sure what to do! --Azurite 06:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I've since upgraded to MediaWiki 1.10, and even though the require_once call for WikiHiero is still in my LocalSettings.php and the extensions folder still contains the wikihiero folder with the wikihiero.php, the extension still doesn't show up on my list of installed extensions. I really don't know what to do at this point... --Azurite 23:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Seconded - installed as usual folder to extensions dir plus the line at the end of localsettings, but the markup just doesn't work which is kind of weird because it would've had trown an error if I messed something up which means I didn't.

Now what totally weirded me out is that after I put the folder to my root (to view wikihiero as a separate webpage - you know there's an index.php file in the dir) It just wont show up - it gives me 404. wtf? is there something wrong with my host. I typed ls in my SSH client and it says there is a directory wikihiero. so how could it possibly not show up in my browser? is it possible to srew up your server with this? 354d 16:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Will this work when Hieroglyphs are in Unicode?[edit]

When Hieroglyphs are finally encoded in Unicode (which will be in the next 2 years or so) will WikiHiero work with Unicode fonts? Or is it limited to bitmap images? Evertype 14:23, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Missing Glyphs[edit]

I don't know if there are more but

Y1000

is certainly missing (looks like

Y1

Y1 but standing upright). Perhaps someone with much more coding knowledge could reworking this so that the images are pulled from Wikimedia and thus users can upload updates?

  • Edit: n1000 classes don't work in general. CAmbrose 16:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Do you maybe meen the symbol Y1V? :
Y1V
--Kajk 23:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Rotating glyphs[edit]

Is there a way to rotate hieroglyphs? I need an R24 rotated 90 degrees. They show up side-by-side on the Manuel de Codage, this is a popular glyph for the goddess Neith (Nit).

Need for more signs.[edit]

I don't know if this can be done, but we have need of a few composite symbols which cannot be made by any of the functions currently working. When words are combined with the t-loaf, it often gets relegated to a minor position inside of the composite sign, especially with certain birds. The names of Tutankhamun specifically are long beyond belief because the t-w-t should have two very small t's (about half sized) above and below the bird's back. Then there's the s-t symbol, wherein the t is supposed to regularly go under the overhanging crook shaped bolt of cloth or whatever gardner said that was supposed to be. Are these possible to make? Thanatosimii 18:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

PHP error when accessing hieroglyph tables[edit]

I have yet to see WikiHiero as properly installed as an extension on my Wiki, running 1.10. I wanted to go to the extensions folder and the wikihiero subfolder, then the index.php, which renders okay, but the hieroglyphs aren't showing up. I just see a garble of letters and numbers, even though I didn't rename or move the img directory (it's still in extensions/wikihiero). However, when I click on any of the links to see the hieroglyph tables, I get this:

Warning: opendir(/extensions/wikihiero/img/) [function.opendir]: failed to open dir: No such file or directory in /home/*****/public_html/wikific/extensions/wikihiero/wh_table.php on line 68

Line 68 reads: if($dh = opendir(WH_IMG_DIR))

I looked at the wikihiero.php to see what was being referenced, and everything LOOKED fine, so I don't understand why it's not seeing the img directory. Help? --Azurite 04:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)