User talk:Ad Huikeshoven/The IGC bootstrap problem

Bicameralism and double majority

This page's proposal suggests using a two-chambered IGC in order to avoid dominance by either large or small projects. A possible alternative to this could be User:Nosebagbear's suggestion here to just require that decisions be made by a "double majority", that is, both a majority of members of the body and a majority of their "non-degressive proportion" or their "represented populace". --Yair rand (talk) 16:21, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Majority and overruling

• I would make three notes. One, is that I still think the IGC and GC are counter-productive and will actively make it harder for me, an individual editor, to communicate directly with and demand direct consultation with WMF team members and projects - and the same for every other editor who doesn't want another layer of bureaucracy.
• Secondly is that you are right that, at a minimum, a 2/3 supermajority should be needed for what could be generally titled "important questions" - charter ratification, structural amendments and so on.
• Thirdly is that communities need the authority to compel votes of representatives. In your proposal this would be the authority to compel people from your language body. In mine, it would be a method to, in effect, command the "vote" of the represented populace. In some cases this might be easier to do in a meta-wiki debate, but it would need to be clerked so that only individuals who have designated to a specific language can participate in it. The same method could be used as a recall election method. Nosebagbear (talk) 17:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

As a note on point 1, I would require the a GC, as its opening vote, to demonstrate they have a 2/3 support for their own existence in both languages and editor numbers - with communities given the ability to override the representative's position (alternatively, they could be notified 35 days in advance to run an RfC, should they choose). If they can't manage it, they have no mandate to claim their body should exist. Nosebagbear (talk) 17:45, 4 March 2021 (UTC)