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De-adminship in ruwiki[edit]

The russian Arbitration committee asks you to desysop Vald because of abuse of administrator's power and violation of rules about sockpuppets. (ru:Википедия:Заявки на арбитраж/О недостойном поведении администратора Vald). --Obersachse 18:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Already done by User:Fantasy ACrush ?!/© 09:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

New admins & bureaucrats on cawiki[edit]


C'est Pasqual,

Je viens te demander une fois de plus un coup de main car notre bureaucrate est illocalisable et dans sa dernière aparition il n'a pas répondu à son devoir de bureaucrate.

Il y a eû des votations pendant un mois et nous avons élus deux nouveaux bureaucrate et deux nouveaux administrateurs, il y a quinze jours qu'on aurait dû leur donner leur nouveaux flags, peux-tu y faire quelque chose?

Il y a quelque temps Plàcid Pérez Bru disait qu'il voulait renoncer à son poste, qu'il voulait démissioner... Il disait qu'il n'était pas fait pour être un bon bureaucrate, mais enfin j'aurai préféré que lui même otorgue les nouveux rôles par lui tout seul, mais comme tu le sais bien cet homme n'est pas un grand débrouillard, peut-être qu'il a peur de faire quelque chose mal.

Pour moi, si tout peut s'arranger avec ton intervention ce serait beaucoup plus simple, les votes son nets, je supose que tes connaissance de français, d'espagnol et comme natif italien tu pourra comprendre plus ou moins les discussions des votes.

Si tu peux prendre cette décision ce sera un grand service, même pour Plàcid, car en fait tu lui enlèverai une énorme responsabilité.

Pasqual (ca) · CUT 19:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Les utilisateur et leur marques:
  • User:Martorell@cawiki from sysop to bureaucrat
  • User:Joanjoc@cawiki from sysop to bureaucrat
  • User:Barcelona@cawiki from none to sysop
  • User:Alonso@cawiki from none to sysop

Pasqual (ca) · CUT 19:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Merci bien!
Quant àPlàcid, je suis d'accord avec toi, c'est son affaire, mais je ne prétendais pas que tu lui enlèves ses charges. Nous on l'aime bien, il a fait un travail impécable, seul ces dernier temps il a déliré un peu, mais ce mystère est une question à laquelle je ne m'y sens pas rataché.
T'inquiète pas pour ton français, du moment que je t'ai compris... Moi non plus je ne suis pas français, et mon anglais est horrible! Ciao! :)
Pasqual (ca) · CUT 20:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Another de-adminship in ruwiki[edit]

The russian Arbitration committee asks you to desysop Jaroslavleff because of abuse of administrator's power in an Editwar and stalking and blocking an opponent. (ru:Википедия:Заявки на арбитраж/О лишении участника Jaroslavleff полномочий администратора Википедии). --Obersachse 12:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

SE wikipedia[edit]

Please see Requests for permissions#Simple English Wikipedia. The user implied that I (one of the bureaucrats) was inaactive, but that is not the case. -- Netoholic @ 16:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Replied. -- Netoholic @ 17:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

cu wikipedia[edit]

Hi, Paginazero. Please take a look at request for temporary sysop rights at Requests for permissions#cu.wikipedia. This wiki is in a desperate need of sysop to setup some CSS and edit tools, and request has no response for a week. Thanks. MaxSem 13:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


Just to say thanks for the checkuser flag. Regards. Emir Kotromanić 18:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC) bs:User:Emir Kotromanić

Email confirmation[edit]

Dear Paginazero, Please enable a valid email adress in your prefences. I have something important to email you about, but it seems you do not have a valid email adress enable in your preferences, if only you could specify one, I would contact you. It would greatly apprecite this. Myrt|comments 12:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Richiesta agli Steward[edit]

I've posted a Request that is specifically addressed to Stewards, since it appears to be a delicate matter. Please review it and express your opinion. Thank you, M/ M/ 22:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Please take a look[edit]

Hi, could you please take a look at this proposal? Thank you. Edward Chernenko 16:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Administrators at mowiki[edit]

Hi, you recently promoted mo:User:Епуре to administrator status at mowiki (the Moldovan Wikipedia). I have now been indefinitely blocked under the lame pretext that I am a sockpuppet [1] (something which is definitely not the case and a CheckUser test could prove that - although it can be proven that Епуре is hostile to me, as I opposed his RFA). This user wasn't even elected, and he failed to successfully pass an RFA [2]. He is also a userpage vandal [3] and is in the process of deleting the evidence now. We already have a fine admin, mo:User:Bogdan (en:User:Bogdangiusca at the English Wikipedia), and the promotion of this Епуре fellow has not been sanctioned by anyone but himself. I don't know how he managed to persuade you to promote him, but I urge you to reconsider and withdraw his privileges (and unblock me and whoever else he has blocked). If you want my opinion, no one should be promoted, and this Wikipedia should be frozen as per the decision taken here. Regards,--Theios tou Euthymiou 10:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


Grazie per le tue traduzioni, aiuteranno a capire meglio chi siamo... :) --M/ 15:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

grazie ;-) oscar 14:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

lol Moldavian![edit]

Hi Paginazero,

My sincere apologies to you. You have gotten yourself into an unfortunate situation by getting involved. No matter how you act, people will be mad at you, and they will probably harass you.

That aside, the user who complained above is himself a userpage moving vandal:

So it doesn't seem to have been abuse on the part of "Epure" to block him. Seriously, this guy called Bonaparte, a user who has been banned on both en.wp and meta for repeated and consistent trolling, vandalism, and massive sockpuppet farming (and he still does it despite the ban), an "excellent user" and his reason for voting against Epure was that he would ban "this excellent user Bonaparte". So I can't blame Epure for thinking it was a sockpuppet talking -- really, who else would speak out for Bonaparte?

I can personally vouch for Epure. I do not know him in real life, but I have had discussions with him online. He isn't extremely experienced, but he has good intentions and he is a native speaker.

mo:User:Bogdan, the current admin, has ignored the Wiki for a long time, blocked only users he didn't like and letting vandals run free, as well as imposing his opinion on the Wiki by locking the main page with a notice saying to "go away". Why? Because Bogdan is Romanian. He himself does not try to hide this fact -- it mentions on his Romanian userpage that he is a student in Bucharest, the capital of Romania. Bucharest is pretty far from Moldova.

And the votes mentioned by the above user -- take a look at the users who voted. Some of them aren't even registered users on mo.wp, the others just registered in the last two or three days, or they are explicit vandals (ie Bonaparte). In any Wikipedia, do they let people who are not active users of that Wiki vote on adminship?

But honestly, I don't blame you if you do not make him an admin and/or bureaucrat again. In fact, I would recommend that course of action. Not because I don't have faith in Epure (in fact, I think he is the best thing to happen to that Wiki so far), but because it would be opening a can of worms for you. I have been harassed endlessly by Bonaparte and other hateful Romanians. And if you re-sysop him, you will probably have the same thing happen to you, so you should excersize care in making your decision.

Cheers. --Node ue 23:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

As per the decision made here this wiki is frozen. None of your personal attacks against Bogdan (who is also an administrator on the English and Romanian Wikipedias, so he can't be that evil) or against the Romanian and impartial users (such as Jmabel and myself) will help your cause. The existence of that project is a direct violation of one of the core policies of Wikipedia (en:WP:NPOV#Undue weight) and you know it.
Regarding Epure, I'd be prepared to bet my last leu that he is a sockpuppet of yours - hopefully this is something the stewards can verify.
Finally, we don't need sysops. The RFA proved this - just because your candidate (sock) was massively unpopular, you can't go around asking bureaucrats to carry out their functions unilaterally. Paginazero, can you please speak to the administrator of mowiki, Bogdan. He can give you a full summary of the situation - see also this exchange between Node_ue and myself here so as to acquire a full grasp of the situation. I'm not Romanian (I am from Greece) - I have no axe to grind. People should listen to my opinions...--Theios tou Euthymiou 00:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I don't really care whether or not you have the final word, but you said a few things here that just are, well, a bit annoying to me.
1) "This wiki is frozen". Well, if it is, why can it still be edited? Also, please see GerardM's recent messages on Wikipedia-l regarding, which indicate that the official opinion towards it has been reversed. And again, "Undue weight" is 1) an policy and 2) applies only to the opinions represented in articles themselves, not the opinions represented by the language in which they are written. If that were the case, why would we have Wikis in languages spoken only by a few hundred people? Out of 6 billion earthlings, that would be undue weight. If you think that it should be moved to, that's a different argument completely, and if you could actually get a developer to ever do that, my objections would be relatively few. Bonaparte would never accept it, though.
2) Personal attacks on Bogdan? I never said he was evil. I just said that he lets sit there to rot. He doesn't block userpage vandals (such as oh, say, yourself?), he doesn't erase vandalism, or do anything else an admin is supposed to do. I didn't say his privelages should be removed, just that he is insufficient.
3) My personal attacks on you are justified. Although you may not actually be Bonaparte, you are a userpage vandal (although Khoikhoi is too and I may, at some point in the past, have moved someone's userpage, although I don't believe I did). You haven't actually used threats or insults yet (these are things Bonaparte is fond of), but I haven't ruled that out as something to which you're willing to resort.
4) I never attacked Joe. He has been and is still pretty much above reproach, although I do not agree with all of his actions or opinions. He, unlike you, Bonaparte, or admittedly myself or Khoikhoi, is a model user.
5) Epure isn't my sock. He actually marked User:Moldova's vote as invalid calling him a vandal, and I disagree with him. And although I don't have good Romanian, I *think* his is better than mine. At least, I know he doesn't write it the way I would. But it doesn't seem to matter anymore -- he left Wikipedia because of your constant vandalism. Great, we had one native speaker, and you killed it all. Well, I'll find another one eventually. And don't use lei with him -- he only accepts "rubli nistreni".
6) Besides the fact that it's not my RfA, none of the voters (with a single exception, AdiJapan, who was inactive anyhow) had any non-vandalistic (see Bonaparte) contributions to that Wikipedia. A minimum number of contribs on that wiki is required on practically every Wiki for voting priveleges.
7) You may not be Romanian, but neither am I (I am not Moldovan either, and I am finally willing to admit it! ZOMG! But only because my reputation in Romania and now Moldova could not get any worse, since I have been mentioned in a newspaper already which didn't mention my claimed Moldovanousity. And I am not Russian, or Romanian, or even European). And neither is Khoikhoi. Or Christopher Sundita. Your side, on the other hand, is pretty much just Romanians+You.
Don't bother to respond, or if you do, respond on my talkpage (if you think Paginazero actually cares, you're welcome to give an executive summary, but I imagine us having a long argument here would not be appreciated. and if you do respond here, i'm going to do what I suggested you do). --Node ue 08:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
PS I'm logging out now, so don't wait up for me to respond to your reply.--Theios tou Euthymiou 00:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


Dear Paginazero,

could you please write me more details what exactly should be checked? Thanks! Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 16:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC) I've discovered. This new multilangual feature is quite interesting. Ok, I will check later today. Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 16:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


Hi. We made a request for bot status for Thijs!bot on 18 October 2006, but nowadays this bot don't have bot status in Aragonese Wikipedia. You can also see here that the bot was approved by an:wiki community. --Willtron 16:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you --Willtron 21:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism - elimination of valid votes[edit]

You know User:Node ue. He is a vandal. He said here that User:Biruitorul is a sock.

Well he's not.

and he's very active

Can you block him for one week for his vandalism?

Please ask the local sysop. --Paginazero - Ø 19:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Traduzione[edit]

Prego :-) Redux 22:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for translation[edit]

Thanks for translating my steward candidacy statement :) --Dbl2010 17:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the very quick reaction :) -- Obradovic Goran 13:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

German Wikipedia, Administrator Eike[edit]

Dear Paginazero,

I have severe problems with administrator Eike, please help! I opened a Stub for a political group NLO in Germany, the article was improved by an unknown user. Than an administrator asked to improve the article with references. I did this, I put several references in the text. The administrator Eike asked me to move the references as common web-linkes outside of the text in so called Weblink-chapters, I did this: [4] As a newcomer I was not familiar with the difference of common web-links and itemizations (formated with HTML-Tags <ref>), Eike is of the opinion, that no article is allowed to have more than 5 WEB-Links, so if you do not know how to work with HTML-tags you are lost.

A fight began, I put the references in the text and someone else deleted them all, it took me a time to understand, that this was the work of Eike.

I think it is pretty much a german issue, in the english speaking wikipedia there is not so much discussion about the right format of references, I think it is common sense that everybody should be able to contribute his or her knowledge to the wikipedia and that it is not necessary to be able to understand HTML-tags.

The problem with Eike is, he is not willing to argue, he acts. I asked him to explain himself on the bases of wikipedia rules, but he is not responding.

It is really a long discussion and I worked hard to make my point of view clear, but there is no chance:
Discussion about the article
Discussion of mediation committee

Eike has a problem with me and he used two times his administrative power to block my account. I think he is biased and should no use his power to punish me.

The last blocking of my account happened today: the mediator Wolfram asked me to improve my argumentation deeper in detail with concrete text passages. Three of my problems are related to deletions of discussion contributions of other users and of manipulations of my own discussion contributions, so I quoted the discussion manipulations of Eike, the result was that he blocked my account and deleted again discussion contributions: The begin of my argumentation
after the deletions from Eike The mediator Wolfram asked me not to protest against this new blocking of my account, but I can not see what is left to protest against the actions done by Eike.
The argumentation for his manipulations (In my opinion censorship) is: The discussion contributions that I cited where made by a user that was also bocked by Eike.

I my strong impression is, that there is a general problem with this Eike, you can see that, if you perform WEB searches:
eike sauer wikipedia manipulation: [5]
eike sauer wikipedia löschung [6]
eike sauer wikipedia zensur [7]
eike sauer wikipedia vermittlungsversuch [8]

And so on, of course only a small part of the hits is of relevance, but I think there are few german administrators that harm the wikipedia idea as much as Eike. So from my point of view Eike is not only my problem, he is a problem of the wikipedia community, he is scaring academics off the wikipedia community.

I hope you know a german speaker in the wikipedia community, how can help you to evaluate the behavior of Eike against other wikipedists.

Kindest regards

Stefan Pofahl A.Bebel-- 14:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Stefan, I'm not an editor of the German wikipedia and I cannot enter local litigations like this one as a steward. If you are concerned by a sysop's behaviour, please raise the case within the community (if you are blocked, subscribe the local mailing list or enter the IRC channel) and express your point. A big and old wikipedia like the German one certainly has local procedures for handling conflicts, please refer to them first. Should Eike's behaivour be considered harmful by many editors, ask the community to comment his actions. Good luck. --Paginazero - Ø 15:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
As you can see, I put already a lot of effort in the subject and I think it is not only my problem, you know the important part of the german community better than me, please give someone to whom it my concern a tip, so that this person can react, it is my impression, that only a steward can do something, to impress the german community. I think that bad articles in the german WEB-space are harming the idea of wikipedia and it is my impression that Eike is doing a lot, to annoy scientist to collaborate with the wikipedia. I invested allready a lot of time in the incident (as you can see), so please foreward the issue to a helpful important person in the wikipedia community. I also informed Oscar about the incident. Kindest regards,
Stefan -- 16:53, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I have also informed the two german bureaucrats Stefan Kühn and Michael Diederich, but please don't turn away from the problem, I'm sure you can do something in the matter. The mediation is closed in the meantime by Wolfgang. Stefan Pofahl, Ulm, Germany (A.Bebel) -- 17:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

On the wish of Eike and the mediator Wolfram, i already read the pages. Sorry for bugging you and your spare time. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to get in touch with me (da_didi #wikipedia-de) -- MichaelDiederich 17:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

De-sysop of German Admin mo:User:Pill on the Moldovan Wikipedia[edit]

Hello Paginazero, you desysoped another vandal on Moldovan Wikipedia here. Now, I would like you to desysop another one, who was not accepted by community and replaced Epure.


- there is already an elected sysop on Mo.wp so we don’t need this German Admin (mo:User:Pill)
- mo:User:Pill must be de-sysopped for abuse of administrative privileges and employing eliminating methods
- nobody asked him to request temporary sysop rights, he’s not accepted by community

Removal of new vote poll[edit]

Blocks of innocent contributors[edit]

I don’t think Alec deserved to be blocked and certainly his comments were not irrelevant to the fact that this Admin abuses his administrative privileges

Please don’t forget that both mo:User:Alec and mo:User:Dromihete are speakers of Moldovan language which is not the case of mo:User:Pill who is German.

POV pushing by Pill[edit]

Here's a question: what does Pill think he's doing? Here, my opinion on Epure's suitability for bureaucratship and another comment were deleted for what reason exactly? Here, a comment by en:User:Dahn is similarly deleted. So what is this ultimately, a rigged poll, any opinion Pill does not like is simply deleted? Here, User:Alec is blocked for two weeks for supposed "irrelevant comments on Wikipedia:Кандидаць" - since when is that a criterion for blocking? Does anyone else think Pill is going too far - I propose a petition for de-sysopment. As far as I can see, Pill is following the shining example of his predecessors User:Node ue and User:Epure (likely both the same person); both can't say anything beyond a couple of phrases in Romanian/Moldovan and both were de-sysopped for abuse of administrative privileges and employing methods used in Soviet Moldova for getting their way. Let's watch now as Pill deletes this comment under some similar frivolous excuse - let's see how well he responds to criticism and complaints of what I consider legitimate grievances.

Pill’s removal of petition against him[edit]

3 times I tried to tell him to stop his abuse of privileges[edit]


Due to the fact that:

1. He does not speak the language and we can’t understand him
2. His abuse of administrative privileges
3. His bias

We request immediately de-sysop of this bias Administrator. Thank you.

Translation was made by mo:user:Vania tractoristul. Смирнов 07:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no place for further engagement of Pill there. Pill must quit and leave or will ask again a petition against him. He removed it last time but now he will be under supervision of Stewards. I asked him to leave or else he will be de-sysoppped. You should de-sysop now, because we can't stand such injustice from Pill. He can't communicate with us since he doesn't speak the language. He is also bias and blocked innocent users. He was temporary granted with rights and he abused his privileges. Thank you. Смирнов 12:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

What are you doing on mo.wp? You put yourself against the will of community. I had 5 votes in support of me, you 0.--Смирнов 18:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)