WikiConference India 2016/Community and Team/IRC/January 10, 2016
Date and Time
January 10, 2016, 9:30 pm
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IRC Channel at ##wikiconferenceindiaconnect
Topic
Jury and Community Q&A
IRC session log.
[15:37:25] <Sailesh_> Hello Everyone :) [15:40:31] <Abhi> Hi Sailesh ! [15:43:25] <Adesh> Hello! [15:44:01] <Sailesh_> Hello Abhi and Adesh. [15:44:40] <Sailesh_> I just had conversation with Ravi, He said the IRC is going to start at 9:30 pm. [15:51:35] <Abhi> How are you Sailesh? [16:01:38] <Suyogaerospace> hi [16:01:58] <Satdeep> hello everyone [16:02:10] <Adesh> Hi! [16:02:27] <Parveer> Hello Everyone [16:02:38] <Gaurav__> hello parveer [16:03:07] <Gaurav__> welcome ravi [16:03:12] <ravidreams> Hi all [16:03:14] <Satdeep> Welcome Ravi [16:03:45] <ViswaPrabha> Hi everyone, Good evening and a very special wikiNewYear :) [16:04:09] <Gaurav__> u too viswaprabha and happy new year to all [16:04:34] <Santoshi_Nsk> Hello Everyone! [16:05:01] <Sailesh> Namaskar _/|\_ [16:05:37] <yohannvt> Hi everyone [16:05:45] <Satdeep> Who is the facilitator today ? [16:05:51] <ravidreams> Hi Viswa, I request you to take it forward from here on behalf of the jury [16:06:48] <ravidreams> 1. Any clarification needed for bidders can be asked by their reps before Q & A starts. [16:06:59] <ravidreams> 2. Question by the jury members [16:07:05] <ravidreams> 3. Questions from community [16:07:09] <ravidreams> will be the agenda for today [16:07:25] <ravidreams> We have reps from both Nashik and Chandigarh online now [16:08:07] <ravidreams> For everyone's reference: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2016/City/First_Bids [16:08:28] <ravidreams> Only Nashik and Chandigarh bids have made it to final round [16:10:06] <ViswaPrabha> May I request you, Ravi, to take a lead? I have an imperfect, often breaking net. [16:10:18] <ravidreams> OK, Viswa. [16:10:40] <ravidreams> Adesh, Santoshi represent Nashik bid [16:11:07] <ravidreams> Gaurav, Satdeep represent Chandigarh bid [16:11:20] <ravidreams> I can also see more members from these teams online [16:11:58] <ravidreams> So, to start, I request the bidders to feel free to ask any clarification before Q & A starts [16:13:44] <Satdeep> hi ravi, a question are we gonna keep the basic bidding criteria in mind ? [16:14:41] <ravidreams> Let me share the criteria based on which jury is evaluating the bids [16:15:00] <Gaurav__> okkay... [16:15:07] <Adesh> Sure [16:16:30] <ravidreams> 1. Preparations 2. Financial 3. Infrastructure 4. Previous Experience 5. Inbound Travel 6. Team 7. Outcomes 8. Perceived Risks [16:16:33] <ravidreams> are the criteria [16:16:45] <ravidreams> they have different weightages for a total score of 100 [16:16:57] <ravidreams> More details will be published while declaring the results [16:17:32] <Satdeep> Seems great to me [16:18:20] <yohannvt> does the original bid on meta have any weightage?? [16:19:00] <ravidreams> We had bidding criteria for first round of bids - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2016/City/Bidding_Criteria [16:19:01] <Sailesh> I have a question for Nashik community. Can I ask it now? [16:19:25] <ravidreams> Sailesh, let us wait for clarifications sough from bidders now [16:19:32] <ravidreams> Next, the jury will ask questions [16:19:36] <Sailesh> Okay [16:19:36] <yohannvt> so that means the origianl bid on meta has weightage only in the first round?? [16:19:38] <Adesh> Hi ravi, little doubt. First Round Bidding Criteria mentioned on page. Point number 4 about minimum attendees. [16:19:41] <ravidreams> Community can place questions towards the end [16:20:29] <ravidreams> The 8 criteria considered for this final round were guided by included and the criteria published at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2016/City/Bidding_Criteria [16:20:43] <ravidreams> Only this round has weightage for different criteria [16:21:04] <yohannvt> thnx for clarifying my doubt [16:21:14] <ravidreams> as weather in a city cannot have the same weightage as past experience or team [16:22:15] <ravidreams> Can Nashik and Chandigarh bidders confirm that we can go to the jury Q & A if there are no other questions? [16:22:45] <Satdeep> Yes, [16:22:47] <Santoshi_Nsk> Yes we can move ahead. [16:23:11] <Gaurav__> yes ravi.. now we can go ahead for Q & A [16:23:30] <ravidreams> Great. [16:23:35] <Surbhi_nashik> yes. [16:23:43] <ravidreams> Viswa, can you place questions on behalf of the jury? [16:24:29] <ViswaPrabha> The two bidders with acceptable bids seems to have done a great job of preparing their bids. Thank you for that. [16:24:48] <ViswaPrabha> But how can you assure that whatever is committed shall be fulfilled? [16:24:58] <Gaurav__> thanks viswa [16:25:49] <Santoshi_Nsk> Thank you Viswa. [16:26:24] <ViswaPrabha> I would suggest if you can come up with any means / idea to reinforce this assurance. [16:26:34] <ViswaPrabha> (Any among you) [16:27:31] <ViswaPrabha> (For those who joined late, here is the chatlog so far: http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikiconferenceindia/20160110.txt ) [16:27:37] <Satdeep> Should i speak on the behalf of the Punjabi Community ? [16:27:51] <vikasyaligar> Thank you ViswaPrabha [16:27:54] <ravidreams> Satdeep, you are one of the official reps for the chandigarh bid [16:28:03] <ravidreams> You can speak on behalf of the chandigarh bid [16:28:07] <ViswaPrabha> please do [16:28:08] <Satdeep> Okay... [16:28:25] <Satdeep> So, if you look at our bid, we have community members [16:28:28] <Santoshi_Nsk> we have track record of hosting such national and international events with the help of local government. we have already uploaded support letter from Nashik Municipal commissioner. [16:28:37] <Satdeep> who have national level and international level experience of Wikipedia related events [16:29:02] <ViswaPrabha> This is actually, not a question to the bidders alone. We are looking for broader ideas that can be re-used. :) [16:29:10] <Santoshi_Nsk> our efforts are also acknowledged by National as well as International media. [16:29:55] <Satdeep> We also have experience in being funded by the Wikimedia Foundation twice and right now we are the only recognized User Group from India... [16:30:01] <Santoshi_Nsk> This high level support from Kumbha foundation, Nashik Municipal corporation supplementing our volunteer efforts is one of the main strengths of our bid, in my opinion. [16:31:43] <Satdeep> We are not focussing on the 3 day conference only [16:31:46] <yohannvt> i think let each representative talk one at a time, it looks confusing [16:31:56] <ravidreams> Bidders, please confirm when you are done answering [16:31:57] <ViswaPrabha> :) [16:32:01] <Satdeep> Okay i agree yohann [16:32:24] <yohannvt> lets start alphabetically [16:32:31] <Satdeep> Okay [16:32:46] <ravidreams> OK, unless a question is specific to a bidder, let chandigarh start first [16:32:56] <ravidreams> Once they confirm the answer, Nashil can start answering [16:33:02] <ravidreams> But, keep it ready typed to save time :) [16:33:04] <Santoshi_Nsk> okay [16:33:19] <Satdeep> should we start ? [16:33:35] <ravidreams> Can you both confirm the answer for Viswa's question number 1? [16:33:59] <ravidreams> If you have more to add, please continue [16:34:39] <ViswaPrabha> To be clear a little more, I am not asking about past records but any kind of say-a bond- that we can implement. [16:34:56] <Satdeep> We are not only going to do the 3 day conference instead we have a set of plan to do pre-conference and post-conference events as well. [16:35:26] <Satdeep> The aim of this conference is to build a stronger Indian month and that is why we are planning Wikipedia Indian Month [16:36:30] <Satdeep> I think the rest of content is the same as the bid on meta [16:36:38] <Satdeep> I would just have to copy-paste [16:36:56] <Sailesh> Sorry for interrupting in between but swa is aski [16:37:05] <Sailesh> Viswa is asking [16:37:31] <Sailesh> How the bidders are going to do the work which they have show in their bid [16:37:33] <ravidreams> Viswa, we can do general planning to ensure the smooth conduct of conference togther with pan-Indian community [16:37:46] <ravidreams> Questions now can be specific to the bids [16:38:07] <ravidreams> Sailesh, please wait for the jury Q & A to be over [16:38:19] <ravidreams> You can start first when the community Q & A starts [16:38:22] <ViswaPrabha> This is by default. Who ever gets to conduct this conference, once fixed, we are all one team. And the success is to be shared by all of us. [16:39:12] <ravidreams> Sailesh: Apologies. Just realized that you were trying to explain what Viswa means [16:40:01] <Satdeep> We can ensure that due to the previous experiences of Punjabi Wikipedia community with pan-Indian and International communities, we can easily collaborate with everyone and work together [16:40:11] <ravidreams> I think Chandigard has finished answering for this question [16:40:16] <Satdeep> Yes [16:40:17] <ravidreams> Nashik, do you have anything to add? [16:41:09] <Santoshi_Nsk> nashik team has uploaded support letter from nashik municipality. This is happening for the first time in history of wikiconference india that the governmentis showing support [16:41:43] <Santoshi_Nsk> in writing after WCI we can expect more Government cooperation for our wiki movement [16:43:01] <Santoshi_Nsk> We have written support from Nashik Government as well as Kumbha foundation. It is about reputation of both organizations, so we are sure about our commitments and we will deliver our all promises [16:44:51] <ravidreams> Thanks, Santoshi. Can we confirm that we have answered? [16:45:06] <ravidreams> *you have answered for this question so we move on next questions? [16:45:22] <Santoshi_Nsk> Yes ravi :) [16:45:50] <ViswaPrabha> You both (Chandigarh and Nasik) gets one more chance to add anything to this. [16:47:45] <Satdeep> Our organizing community has actual editors who are motivated by their love of the Wikimedia movement. [16:48:16] <Satdeep> We have 7 editors who have made more than 1000 contributions on Wikimedia projects... [16:48:44] <ViswaPrabha> To each, Pls mention when you are done so we can continue. [16:48:49] <Satdeep> Done [16:49:51] <Santoshi_Nsk> Yes Viswa, I would like to add that Wikimedia India is aware of the credibility of the Nashik community. They even mentioned about one of our events in their activities update report. [16:51:46] <Santoshi_Nsk> Done. [16:52:41] <wikivinita> hii [16:53:03] <ViswaPrabha> Since we are doing such procedures for the first time (ignoring the earlier WCI2011), whatever we do now will add value and pattern to the future pan-national programs. So, I think we should also include a point of assurance (in executing) for each bidders, if not this time, for the next ones. As an example, the letter from Nasik MC is a good point. We may also consider some kind of institutional agreement between t [16:53:41] <Surbhi_nashik> Hello everyone, I am from Nashik team and I would like to add that we even have support from Wiki Conference india 2011 organizers. we believe that this will help us to execute event at smooth level. [16:53:43] <ViswaPrabha> representative) entering into some kind of MoA (Memo. of Agreement) [16:54:27] <Satdeep> I know this will seem awkward but Chandigarh University is officially supporting the event and we are waiting to get the signed letter from them... [16:54:31] <ViswaPrabha> While this may not be easy this time, we should keep this as a point for future bids, I propose. [16:54:49] <ViswaPrabha> That will be very good, Satdeep. [16:55:32] <ViswaPrabha> The idea is, there should not be a risk of failure due to the lack of a proper responsibility matrix. [16:56:04] <Gaurav__> i agree [16:56:06] <ravidreams> OK Viswa. May I request to place further questions from the jury? [16:57:20] <ViswaPrabha> I have no more questions for now. I am sure both parties have strived sincerely and commedably to raise their bids. And hope, whoever takes it, will continue their passion and vigour till the final stages of WCI2016. :) [16:58:28] <ravidreams> OK Viswa, then we can enter the community Q & A round [16:58:47] <ravidreams> Sailesh_: You may start with your questions [16:58:57] <Santoshi_Nsk> Viswa.. I would like to inform you that kumbha foundation is ready to sign MoA for Wiki Conference India. We have worked with MIT media lab, kumbha ministry and various reputed organizations in the past [17:00:01] <ViswaPrabha> Good. But with whom as the counterparty is a question. What do any of you suggest? [17:01:07] <ravidreams> Viswa, I request to discuss these after the community Q & A is over. [17:01:29] <ViswaPrabha> OK. [17:02:09] <Parveer> what is the weightage for the wikipedia related experiences of the organizing community [17:02:24] <ravidreams> While we wait for questions from Sailesh, other community members can feel free to place their questions [17:02:37] <ravidreams> Parveer: Weightage will be declared while announcing the results [17:03:05] <Parveer> thanks Ravi [17:03:06] <ViswaPrabha> The weightages themselves are calculated by averaging individual percentages suggested by each Jury. [17:03:23] <Santoshi_Nsk> Viswa, Wikimedia India or Wikimedia Foundation as per requirement. [17:03:39] <yohannvt> i would like to ask a question after sailesh [17:03:41] <Sailesh_> I have seen the bidding page of both the communities. In Nashik's page I can see the community has experience in organising such kind of events but the community there is has very less knowledge of our movement and their bid is revolving around the Kumbha foundation, while Punjabi community has experience of Wikimedia movement but they have never organised such large event. [17:03:55] <Surbhi_nashik> Thank you Vishwa for specific question. As stated before- we have written support from various organizations with successful track-record. We are fully committed to give our 100% to this amazing initiative. As my wiki-friend mentioned- We have even fine with written MoA. Hope so this clarifies all doubts. [17:05:09] <Bodhisattwa> Whats your question, Sailesh? [17:05:25] <yohannvt> @sailesh thats you observation. ur question is?? [17:06:52] <Sailesh_> Sorry, I have a very bad net connection :P Just adding my question [17:09:37] <ravidreams> Yohann and others, please start adding your questions [17:09:40] <Satdeep> Others can ask questions while Sailesh fixes his connection.... [17:10:03] <yohannvt> ok then may i go ahead [17:10:17] <Gaurav__> yaah sureyohaan [17:10:20] <yohannvt> i have 2 questions for Chandigarh [17:10:36] <yohannvt> first question im just asking just for curiosty [17:10:36] <Satdeep> okay [17:11:01] <Bodhisattwa> after that I will ask one [17:11:22] <yohannvt> By when will the Chandigarh team get the written letter of support from the university? [17:11:46] <Satdeep> Actually to tell you the truth, the University has signed the letter [17:12:04] <Satdeep> We have not been able to provide it because the incharge got transfered [17:12:14] <Satdeep> We hope to get it next week [17:12:23] <yohannvt> 2nd question - in your earlier comment, you mentioned about Pre-conference & post conference - wont it be strainous on a very new community like yours [17:12:41] <yohannvt> even mature communities struggle with so much workload [17:13:22] <yohannvt> do you think, it makes sense to do so much for the WCI. Are you afraid it might lead to burnout [17:13:22] <Satdeep> Our community is gaining momentum lately. You can check our two grant approvals from the WMF... [17:13:30] <yohannvt> *your community [17:13:35] <Satdeep> This is actually not for the WCI only [17:14:00] <Satdeep> we are actually doing workshops all around Punjab right now as well [17:14:12] <Satdeep> This month we have two events in Sangrur and Kotkapura [17:14:55] <Gaurav__> we are going to plan some workshops in schools .... that will be helpful for wikimedia's other project like wictionary and wikisource. [17:15:03] <Satdeep> Even WMF encourages pre and post events to multiply impact [17:15:27] <Satdeep> We have got the User Group recognition recently [17:15:55] <Satdeep> We are going to do events anyway and if we get the bid for WCI we can do it more effeciently [17:16:09] <Satdeep> Moreover we hope to build a stronger pan-Indian Community [17:16:22] <Satdeep> so that we can hope for a Wikimania in India soon... [17:16:35] <yohannvt> Thnx for answering that [17:16:38] <Sailesh> But organising workshops and organising WCI with over 100+ Indic language Wikimedians and other participant from that city is different [17:16:55] <Satdeep> Wikimania in India is actually where the idea of WCI 2016 came from [17:16:57] <ravidreams> Sailesh: Can you complete your question that you hinted earlier? [17:17:26] <yohannvt> i still have a question to nashik, but i ll ask it after sailesh's question [17:18:01] <ravidreams> Bodhi and others, please place your questions to save time [17:18:17] <Bodhisattwa> ok [17:18:24] <Satdeep> One more thing Yohann, other Indian community members will help in organizing online events [17:18:29] <Sailesh> Ravi , My question is for Punjabi community, How they are going to handle the conference whereas they don't have much experience in organising such large conferenc? [17:18:42] <Jim__> Wikimania in India, a long way to go. I have my 2$ to add.. But will wait... [17:19:04] <Jim__> And I'm sorry for joining late. [17:19:32] <ravidreams> Live chat log can be seen at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikiconferenceindia/20160110.txt [17:19:45] <Jim__> thanks, Ravi [17:19:59] <Satdeep> Sailesh, workshops and other events show our passion for the movement... Chandigarh University is going to support the event with their staff... Connectivity, Conference Halls and Saftey measures have already been taken care off.... [17:20:54] <Satdeep> We know it is hard but we are committed to this and i think being recoginized by WMF shows our consistency... [17:21:06] <Sailesh_> Satdeep , I guess you have remembered How much problem we faced in BnWiki10 , do you think depending upon an University will solve this? [17:21:16] <yohannvt> Hi satdeep, sorry to interrupt but prev EC members of WMIN had been planning to have WCI for a long time, but thatidea never got momentum [17:21:19] <Satdeep> Moreover, we have experience from other Wikimedia related National and International Conferences as well [17:21:31] <yohannvt> nice to see it got momentum in Wikimania Mexico [17:21:58] <Satdeep> Yes, Sailesh... we have that in mind. We are going to learn from them and make sure we don't make the same mistakes... [17:22:23] <Sailesh_> Thanks :) , Yohan you can continue [17:22:30] <ravidreams> Bodhisattwa: Please place your questions [17:22:35] <Satdeep> Yes, Yohann... Thats why i said pre and post events are so much important to build long-term interaction between the communities [17:22:42] <Bodhisattwa> how much problem you faced in bn10???? Now thats new to me [17:22:44] <ravidreams> yohannvt: Please place your next question [17:22:55] <ravidreams> Bodhisattwa: Let us stick to the agenda please [17:23:01] <yohannvt> My next question to nashik: [17:23:12] <Bodhisattwa> Sorry, just got overwhelmed [17:23:34] <yohannvt> what is the largest wiki event nashik community has organized & how many attendees were there in it?? [17:23:45] <ravidreams> Bodhisattwa: No issues. Just concerned that we should complete this before midnight :) [17:23:48] <yohannvt> i didnt see a number in your bid [17:24:20] <yohannvt> This is my last question . Thank you [17:25:52] <Satdeep> seeing that nobody is answering right now... Please check the link of Chandigarh University http://www.cuchd.in/ [17:26:07] <Surbhi_nashik> Hello Yohan, We have hosted event for 1000 people with 30lack budget which include MIT Media lab, Government of India participation and citizens took active part in it. [17:27:09] <ravidreams> Surbhi_nashik: Please be specific Wikipedia events and activities as it is hard to assess events with multiple partners [17:27:19] <Jim__> How many ground Wikipedia volunteers (rough estimate) do we have from Punjabi Wikipedia... [17:29:12] <ravidreams> Please let me know if anyone else is planning to place questions [17:29:36] <Bodhisattwa> I am [17:29:44] <Surbhi_nashik> I would also like to add that till now 7 event organized which includes 5 in India and two in USA. In recent event delegation of 40 from India attended which includes water ministers, elected MLA, mayor's office, district administartion. In the past organized event where 600+ people attended budget including Accomodation of mentors and innovators more than 30lakh [17:29:47] <ravidreams> Please proceed [17:29:51] <ravidreams> Bodhi [17:29:58] <Bodhisattwa> I have observed, just like many others, that Nashik community dont have completely new to wiki movement. Most of the organizers dont have even 300 global edits. Everyone is totally unfamiliar faces in Wikimedia movement in India. My first question to Nashik is, why should Indian community trust a completely new group of people to handle so much money? My second question is what is the nature... [17:29:59] <Bodhisattwa> ...of relationship between the organisers and Kumbha Foundation and what is their interest in organising the event? [17:30:35] <Bodhisattwa> Nashik community is completely new to wiki movement. Sorry typo error [17:30:36] <Sailesh> +1 Bodhi [17:30:38] <Surbhi_nashik> And also we have active 'on-ground' support from last WCI 2011 organizers including Suyog Vyavhare and others. [17:31:07] <ravidreams> Surbhi_nashik: Could you please clarify if you have an affiliation with Kumbha Foundation [17:31:28] <Suyogaerospace> Yes i am there guiding nashik team [17:31:44] <Bodhisattwa> I have placed my question, some specific answered are needed [17:32:09] <ravidreams> Bodhisattwa: Do you have more questions? Else I will place mine [17:32:28] <Bodhisattwa> I did not get my answer, Ravi [17:32:53] <ravidreams> That is OK. To save time and give enough time for answering, let us finish placing questions [17:33:05] <ravidreams> Then, we can request specific answers [17:33:05] <Bodhisattwa> ok [17:33:09] <Bodhisattwa> ok [17:33:12] <Surbhi_nashik> Thank you Ravi for pointing out. Even for Wikipedia events in past, we had minimum 200 people for our normal workshops. Thank you so much for acknowledging our efforts and success in your annual WMIN report. [17:34:55] <Bodhisattwa> How many of these 200 people have contributed in Wiki? [17:34:57] <ravidreams> Obligatory disclaimer: My entire involvment in anything related to WCI 2016 is in my volunteer capacity, unless specifically mentioned otherwise that I am representing any organization or community. I am placing my questions for both Nashik and Chandigarh: Questions for Nashik: 1. on-wiki link showing an editing community project's backing for this bid? 2. explain the relationship between Kumbha Foundation (KF) a [17:35:17] <Surbhi_nashik> I am just an active Wikipedia contributor. Kumbha Foundation is helping us by assuming good faith. We are thankful to Nashik government as well as Kumbha foundation for supporting our activities and we are also hopeful that they will support us in future too. [17:35:19] <ravidreams> 3.1 Are there any expectations from KF? 3.2 Why is KF willing to spend so much through cash or kind? 3.3 What are KF's funding sources to support this? 3.4 Is this a bid placed by KF or volunteers? 3.5 How would the capacity of the volunteers change in case KF decides to discontinue support for any reason? [17:35:30] <ravidreams> 3.5 How would the capacity of the volunteers change in case KF decides to discontinue support for any reason? [17:35:44] <ravidreams> Please be informed that WMF grants funds might need operation through a separate bank account opened for this conference or through one of WMF's affiliates. Organizations like KF are welcome to be as one of the sponsors, partners but no organization can represent volunteers. Volunteer community, by itself, will be the primary organizer. [17:35:55] <ravidreams> 4. How do you define Nashik Wikimedia community? Since the community is young based on wiki-activities, how will you ensure working together as a team with understanding both internally and with the pan-Indian team? [17:36:20] <ravidreams> Questions for Chandigarh: 1. Usually, in events like these, the work load and decision making gets concentrated with 1 or 2 people. Can you name 5 community members who will commit to the completion of this event even if some core members become unavailable? [17:36:29] <ravidreams> 2. How many members are actually from chandigarh? I suppose bulk of the community is in other Punjab cities. How will you address this issue of not having enough local core volunteers? 3. Large events like these are breeding grouns for Wiki Politics? How will you ensure that the health and unity of the local editing community is preserved irrespective of what happens because of this event organizing? [17:36:39] <ravidreams> I am done with my questions and need specific answers [17:36:50] <Bodhisattwa> Surbhi Nashik>You have 119 global edits. https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Dusanesurbhi . I dont think, you are an active editor [17:37:10] <Bodhisattwa> me too [17:37:17] <ravidreams> Surbhi_nashik: Please clarify if you work for KF or associated with it in any capacity [17:37:42] <ravidreams> I request Adesh and Santoshi to clarify for the above question [17:38:04] <Satdeep> I am answering the questions asked from the Chandigarh Community: [17:38:38] <ravidreams> Surbhi_nashik: Just saw your answer. Thanks. But, you should stop attributing Nashik Wikimedia Community for work done by other organizations [17:38:51] <ravidreams> As far as I know, there was only one Wikipedia workshop in Nashik [17:39:53] <Sailesh> [17:40:02] <Satdeep> 1. 4 members are from the Chandigarh and most of us are from Patiala. [17:40:10] <Adesh> Hi Ravi. I would like to clarify that Kumbha Foundation is supporting us in good faith. We are open to multiple options. If you have better option than Kumbha Foundation - please suggest. :) [17:40:40] <ravidreams> Adesh: Please answer the questions in the order and with the number for clarity [17:40:47] <Satdeep> Patiala and Chandigarh are sister cities and it might take the the same time to commute within Bangalore and to go from Patiala to Chandigarh University [17:41:09] <Bodhisattwa> Thats not a specific answer Adesh [17:41:09] <Bodhisattwa> Be specific [17:41:50] <ravidreams> Satdeep, keep continuing with the answers [17:42:33] <Satdeep> 1. Myself, Gaurav Jhammat, Parveer Grewal, Harvinder Chandigarh, Param Munde are some of the main organizers [17:42:54] <Surbhi_nashik> I think edit count is unfair method to judge someone. I am also passionate Wikimedia movement. I am just another wiki contributor who believes in supporting free-knowledge movement. I have NO relation to Kumbha foundation. I am supporting them because they are best available options. [17:43:01] <Jim__> Thanks, Satdeep [17:43:46] <ravidreams> I request Adesh and Santoshi to give formal answers as they represent the Nashik bid [17:44:57] <Sailesh> ??? [17:45:37] <Satdeep> 3. Wiki Politics is something we can never ignore.. We have seen politics even when no event were being organized.. We can ensure that we involve all the interested individuals from the Punjabi Wiki Community to ensure that we remain a single united community... [17:46:01] <Bodhisattwa> Of course Surbhi, But edit count shows your involvement in wiki movement online. Dont you think, the Nashik community emerged from nowhere just after the announcement of WikiConference India 2016. and almost everyone of the organisers have (0- 400) edits [17:46:24] <Santoshi_Nsk> Surbhi is also our representative and believe in equality. Everyone in our team carries same responsibility, so you can take her answers also as official answers. [17:46:58] <ravidreams> Santoshi_Nsk: Noted [17:47:13] <Santoshi_Nsk> Thanks. [17:47:41] <Bodhisattwa> and my question was why should we trust someone so new to handle so much money and no experience in Wikimedia movement at all? [17:48:00] <Bodhisattwa> I just didint get my answer [17:48:04] <ravidreams> Satdeep, thanks for answers 1 and 2. I never realized both cities were so close. [17:48:42] <ravidreams> Could you be more specific about Answer 3? Can you explain a past instance where there was confusion in the community and how you tackled it? [17:49:00] <ViswaPrabha> I have worked in Chandigarh for an year and Patiala was just a sub-territory for my day calls. :) [17:49:15] <Jim__> Santoshi, obviously edit count is unfair to judge someone's experience on Wikipedia, but ~122 Global contribs is way too low. And it really signifies lack of experience when giving someone such responsibility. [17:50:45] <Satdeep> 3. Recently we had a confusion when a person thought that he should represent Punjabi Wikimedians at Wikimedia Conference as he was a contributor to Wikipedia... [17:50:50] <Surbhi_nashik> Bodhisatwa, I partially agree with you. Edit counts shows only online activity, we are mostly active in offline world and I am using it from my school days. I learned about account creation, edit counts etc in last one year. [17:51:58] <Satdeep> But we told him that this is not Wikimania and Wikimedia Conference is about the involvement in organization related work and offline events as well.... [17:52:48] <Satdeep> He disagreed but sometimes we have to agree to disagree.. We also have to keep in the mind the broader benefit of the Movement... [17:52:52] <ravidreams> Surbhi_nashik: Your response for the edit count argument is noted. Please focus on answering the specific questions placed [17:52:56] <Surbhi_nashik> Also to add, Wikipedia runs by assuming good faith. Anyone can edit and we respect each other's edits(of course with references). In this case- we have authentic support from government which can act as assurance point and reference. [17:53:28] <ravidreams> Surbhi_nashik: Jury member has already noted that support from MC is a plus [17:53:57] <Bodhisattwa> Well, what were the offline actvities you were involved and how come no one from Wikimedia India knows no one from Nashik organisers? [17:54:01] <Santoshi_Nsk> Even though we are new, we have active support from WCI 2011 organizers. We are new to the community but you may trust previous WCI organizers. Give the new guy a chance and we will show you the amount of enthusiasm we have. [17:54:53] <Suyogaerospace> I would like ask everyone to assume good faith when deciding wikiconference 2011 no one knew anyone still it was a success [17:54:56] <yohannvt> Hi bodhi. I have been a mute spectator till now. I am now officially steppin in on behalf of WMIN [17:55:13] <Bodhisattwa> Sure Yohann [17:55:26] <Adesh> We appreciate your concerns, however we do have EXPERIENCED WikiConference India 2011 organizers 'on-ground' support and guidance. [17:55:27] <yohannvt> WMIN has been a keenly observing nashik community [17:55:50] <yohannvt> we were observing them even before the WCI 2016 was announced [17:55:53] <Surbhi_nashik> Ravi: What were the specific questions to be answered, because we lost count of it [17:56:05] <Santoshi_Nsk> Thank you Suyog for pointing it out :) [17:56:13] <yohannvt> We first heard of them, when they approached us to inform us about their workshop in Nahsik [17:56:54] <yohannvt> we had included about their workshop in our report, since they wanted the global community to know about them [17:57:18] <Suyogaerospace> 2) While questions are asked about financial trust, during 2011 Wiki foundation failed to deposit grant in time and at very last moment we were bailed out by our local member. What assurity WMIN gives that this wont happens again? [17:57:19] <yohannvt> we had mentioned about them in our first FDC report sometime in march [17:57:49] <Suyogaerospace> Infact after new policy foreign remittance has become more complicated! [17:58:12] <Suyogaerospace> *bail out [17:58:26] <ravidreams> Surbhi_nashik: So far Nashik community hasn't answered any of the questions I placed [17:58:37] <yohannvt> @bodhi i hope that answers your question about WMIN knowing about the nashik community [17:58:55] <Suyogaerospace> @ravi i agree with you on that [17:59:24] <ravidreams> Surbhi_nashik: Let me know if you want me to repeat the questions [17:59:46] <Abhi> Partially agreed. Even with WMF and WMIN support there were many (minor) problems with WCI 2011. It might be nice idea to have local support. I am glad both communities have it. Nashik is already having Government and Kumbha Foundation support and Chandigarh is having punjab University support (hope so they will get written letter in time). This is better scenario. [17:59:51] <Surbhi_nashik> yes please [18:00:31] <yohannvt> @bodhi this is our mention about the nashik activites in our fdc report [18:00:33] <yohannvt> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round1/Wikimedia_India/Progress_report_form/1 [18:00:47] <ravidreams> Questions for Nashik: 1. on-wiki link showing an editing community project's backing for this bid? 2. explain the relationship between Kumbha Foundation (KF) and nashik wikimedia community. [18:02:07] <ravidreams> 3.1 Are there any expectations from KF? 3.2 Why is KF willing to spend so much through cash or kind? 3.3 What are KF's funding sources to support this? [18:02:22] <ravidreams> 3.4 Is this a bid placed by KF or volunteers? 3.5 How would the capacity of the volunteers change in case KF decides to discontinue support for any reason? [18:02:29] <ravidreams> Please be informed that WMF grants funds might need operation through a separate bank account opened for this conference or through one of WMF's affiliates. Organizations like KF are welcome to be as one of the sponsors, partners but no organization can represent volunteers. Volunteer community, by itself, will be the primary organizer. [18:02:38] <ravidreams> 4. How do you define Nashik Wikimedia community? Since the community is young based on wiki-activities, how will you ensure working together as a team with understanding both internally and with the pan-Indian team? [18:03:12] <ravidreams> I am done with the questions [18:03:39] <ravidreams> Satdeep: Thanks for sharing this example [18:04:52] <Satdeep> ravidreams: You are welcome Ravi. Do we need to tell anything else? Our events and interaction with international and pan-Indian communities can be seen online... [18:05:12] <Bodhisattwa> Yes, please Satdeep, [18:05:27] <Adesh> @ravi 2. Kumha Foundation has been helping Nashik Wikipedia team to conduct wikipedia workshops and wikipedia awareness programs. They are our supporter and well-wisher. [18:05:31] <ravidreams> Satdeep: I have no further questions for Chandigarh. My biggest concern is preserving the health and unity of local community [18:05:46] <ravidreams> Pan-Indian community can help in considering this during the planning [18:06:40] <ravidreams> @Adesh, can you be precise about documented evidence of multiple workshop? I see only workshop done with a controversy over 6000 INR cake [18:06:46] <Satdeep> We have editors who have been involved in the movement from 2009... We have participated in TTT programs and different Wiki related conferences as well... [18:06:47] <yohannvt> @bodhi sorry, one correction - this report was made on 2nd Febuary 2015 & not in march 2015 [18:07:09] <Satdeep> I personally have experience from Wikimania and Wikisoruce Conference as well... [18:07:27] <Adesh> 3.1 : Kumbha Foundation is supporting it without any expectations. They have history of supporting such initiatives in the past. 3.2 : It is their choice to support Wikimedia movement... 3.3 : Donations and local support. [18:07:29] <Bodhisattwa> Sure, Yohann, I am going through the links, but still could not find any of the organisers [18:07:43] <Adesh> 3.4 Bid is placed by Nashik Community. We approached many organizations and Kumbh was happy to support us. [18:09:25] <Sailesh> I think Kumbh is like a sponsor for this event, but I hope it won't act like a big brother to the WCI [18:10:22] <Adesh> @ravi That grant was withdrawn and we conducted all events without any financial support. [18:10:44] <Adesh> That shows our capacity to organize events even without external funding. [18:10:52] <Satdeep> Just for everybody's clarification.. There will be a separate Sponsorship committee which will try to get sponsors like Google, Microsoft, Mozilla.... [18:11:50] <Surbhi_nashik> Answer for question 3.5 :KF is equally responsible for the bid. They have reputation to maintain and they will support us throughout the procedure. Apart from that Government is also involved in the execution process which makes Kumbha foundation more responsible. And Yes, we have alternate options to pull out such support on our own. [18:13:10] <Santoshi_Nsk> We already have confirmed sponsors and we believe that will be useful to utilize WMF funds in more positive ways at other places. [18:13:11] <ravidreams> Abhi: Would you like identifying your Wikipedia user name [18:14:15] <ravidreams> Just a reminder: We will try to wind up this discussion before 11:59 PM IST [18:14:34] <ravidreams> Bidders can continue to update their bids until tomorrow night 11:59 PM IST [18:14:46] <ravidreams> Community is also free to comment through Meta [18:15:00] <ravidreams> Jury expects to stick to the schedule by announcing the result on 13th Jan [18:15:27] <Satdeep> Okay Ravi... [18:16:22] <Adesh> As Suyog pointed out, even in 2011 organizers were new and still it was success. This time - we are leveraging previous WCI organizers experience plus we have local support to execute it. [18:17:13] <ravidreams> Adesh: Just for reference - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Talk:Grants/WikiConnect_Pilot_-_January_2015 [18:18:05] <Jim__> Which 2011 WCI organizers are there for ground support? Can you name a few? [18:18:48] <Suyogaerospace> me and abhishek [18:19:46] <Surbhi_nashik> We are glad everyone is asking us questions and we are happy to answer. Please assume good faith. We are here to support Wikimedia movement. [18:20:38] <Suyogaerospace> Just a disclaimer My association with nashik is purely in volunteering capacity [18:21:02] <ravidreams> Comment from past WCI 2011 organizer - https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=WikiConference_India_2016%2FCity%2FFirst_Bids&type=revision&diff=14890363&oldid=14890151 [18:22:13] <Surbhi_nashik> WCI 2011 organizers: Suyog Vyavhare, Moksh JUneja, Pranav also supported our bid. Suyog is participating in this IRC. [18:23:12] <ravidreams> Surbhi_nashik: Thanks for your answers. Can you also answer my questions 1 and 4 [18:23:23] <Satdeep> Just another thing we can add that there has never been a Wikimedia event like this in North India and this is going to boost the Wikimedia Movement in the North [18:23:35] <Jim__> Thanks for answering my question. [18:23:49] <Satdeep> Everybody knows that Punjabi Wikipedia is one of the fastest growing Wikis in India recently.... :) [18:25:09] <ravidreams> Testing [18:25:42] <ViswaPrabha> Now, coming back to my point, who could act as a counterparty, if we were to sign an MoA? [18:26:04] <ViswaPrabha> i.e. the bidder v/s whom? [18:26:22] <ravidreams> Just a reminder, we may close this discussion in 3 minutes [18:26:37] <ravidreams> Viswa, a grant agreement is the only legally binding document signed with WMF [18:27:12] <ravidreams> It will be signed by PEG coordinators and may also involve WMF affiliate organizations accepting responsibility [18:27:28] <ravidreams> I don't think a bond from the bidder is legally feasible or practically enforcable [18:27:49] <Satdeep> Punjabi Wikimedians is happy to sign the MoA if required... :) [18:27:52] <ravidreams> for worse case scenarios, we may have to change the venue or postpone event date based on the issue [18:28:15] <ViswaPrabha> we might also think of an additional MoA in future with some kind of resolution on the composition of stakeholders. [18:28:20] <Surbhi_nashik> It is great opportunity to do outreach in new area’s. Second tier city like Nashik can boost-up Wikipedia community in local area’s.Nashik is Historical place ,Many visitors all across world visit every year and before that they want to know about Nashik , So Wiki community have a scope Considering Nashik is the third largest city in Maharashtra after Mumbai and Pune and beholding the fact the latter already [18:29:16] <ravidreams> Surbhi_nashik: Since we are approaching the end of the discussion, i would like to note answers for my questions 1 and 4 haven't been receivedyet fromNashik bidders [18:29:27] <Surbhi_nashik> We can sign MoU/MoA with WMF or WMIN as per requirement. [18:29:45] <ravidreams> I thank Viswa (representing jury), reps from both bidders and community members who participated in this [18:29:59] <Sanket___> Question to Nashik and Chandigarh: What was the higest budget you have ever handled before? [18:30:13] <ravidreams> This discussion is officially concluded now