20:11:40 <Mike_H> we can start the meeting in a minute
20:11:44 <Mike_H> let me pull up a page I want to reference
20:12:26 <PatriciaR> Bjelleklang: are you logging?
20:12:33 <Bjelleklang> yeah
20:12:47 <PatriciaR> ok, me too just in case :)
20:12:51 <Bjelleklang> :)
20:13:16 <Wegge> Me also
20:13:42 <Bjelleklang> :p
20:13:50 <Mike_H> Any of the Finns are more than welcome to invite Cathlyn into the room
20:13:53 <Wegge> I use a proxy for IRC; it logs everything by default, so if I'm around the channel is logged. Privately by default of course.
20:13:54 <Mike_H> if she's going to be talking about it in -fi
20:14:02 <Mike_H> she can come and sit in if she has an open mind about it.
20:14:04 <Mike_H> I'm just saying.
20:14:26 <PatriciaR> we ended up not writing down an agenda on Meta, I think because it was a little bit short-noticed, but at least we can start with main points we should address
20:14:33 <Mike_H> PatriciaR: I have a few points
20:14:37 <Mike_H> just let me bring up the page
20:14:45 <PatriciaR> ok
20:14:45 <Mike_H> this should be a time where I bring up a lot of stuff, as mentor at least
20:15:41 <Mike_H> okay
20:15:41 <Mike_H> I'm ready.
20:16:23 <Bjelleklang> also, there is some points listed on the news template at meta
20:16:31 <Mike_H> did you add anything new?
20:16:35 <Bjelleklang> [[m:Template:Wikimania_2010_Stockholm/news]]
20:16:36 <Bjelleklang> nah
20:16:44 <Mike_H> well, even if you didn't, do you mind running through them in the chat for the people who are here?
20:17:49 <Bjelleklang> sure
20:18:07 <Bjelleklang> only three points there:
20:18:14 <Bjelleklang> # The next few steps for the bid team.
20:18:18 <Bjelleklang> # If there are any special roles needed within the team, this should be assigned or at least discussed.
20:18:21 <Bjelleklang> # Possible sponsors and grants.
20:18:47 <Mike_H> Perfect.
20:18:49 <Mike_H> Hi Seddon
20:18:52 <Mike_H> we've locked the room on m
20:18:55 <Mike_H> so you can view it
20:19:00 <Mike_H> but the bid team will be doing the talking today. :)
20:19:11 <Mike_H> everyone with a + is on the bid team
20:19:17 <Mike_H> which reminds me, I'm going to be introducing the bid team
20:19:23 <Mike_H> before we go through the news template.
20:19:34 <Mike_H> I want to introduce the people from Sweden first
20:19:47 <Mike_H> we have Fluff Abrahamsson, you can see him here by fluff, say hello please :)
20:19:59 * PatriciaR waves at fluff
20:20:22 * fluff says Hello
20:20:30 <Mike_H> and that leads me to my next introduction
20:20:40 <fluff> a little partly occupied, that's why I've been silent
20:20:45 <Mike_H> Patricia Rodrigues, she goes by PatriciaR, and she is our person in Stockholm
20:20:59 <PatriciaR> hello!
20:21:17 <Mike_H> Then we have Henrik Abelsson, if you're there give a shout
20:21:19 * henrik waves at everyone!
20:21:22 <Mike_H> :D
20:21:28 <Mike_H> and then finally we have Mikael Lindmark
20:21:42 <MikaelLindmark> :-D
20:21:55 <Mike_H> now we move on to the land of the fjords, Norway. :)
20:22:06 * PatriciaR waves at henrik and MikaelLindmark and everybody else ;)
20:22:07 <Mike_H> It's my pleasure to introduce first, the Wikimania veteran himself, Jon Harald Soby
20:22:10 <Mike_H> Jhs in the chat tonight.
20:22:27 <Jhs> i'm here
20:22:32 <Jhs> but i'm making dinner right now XD
20:22:35 <Mike_H> :P
20:22:42 <Mike_H> Then we have Lars Aage Kamfjord
20:22:45 <Mike_H> he goes by Laaknor
20:23:11 <Mike_H> I suppose he's around...
20:23:26 <Mike_H> and then our third person is the op in the channel :D
20:23:42 <Mike_H> Christoffer Hafsahl, who is Bjelleklang.
20:24:03 <Mike_H> and that's it from Norway.
20:24:04 * Bjelleklang wishes everyone welcome by slapping Mike_H around with a large trout!
20:24:10 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: :O
20:24:13 <Mike_H> it's probably a herring :<
20:24:17 <Bjelleklang> might be
20:24:18 <PatriciaR> :D
20:24:28 <Mike_H> and then we have two people from Denmark!
20:24:37 <Mike_H> Carina Tangsgaard (CarinaT)
20:24:41 <CarinaT> hi
20:24:42 <Mike_H> and Anders Wegge Keller (Wegge)
20:25:12 <Wegge> Hi
20:25:21 <Mike_H> finally, there is me, all the way in America, and I'm playing the role of mentor. As you may or may not know, I chaired the bid for Wikimania 2008 in Atlanta, which came in second place to Alexandria.
20:25:25 <Mike_H> and that's the team. :)
20:25:35 <Mike_H> If there are any Finns who are interested in joining the team
20:25:37 <Mike_H> they can either pm me
20:25:40 <Mike_H> or Bjelleklang
20:25:42 <Mike_H> for more information.
20:25:42 <Mike_H> :)
20:25:48 <PatriciaR> thank you for the presentation, Mike_H
20:25:57 <Mike_H> You're welcome! We can move to the news template now. :)
20:26:04 <Bjelleklang> yay
20:26:27 <Bjelleklang> ok: what will the next few steps be for us?
20:26:35 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: writing the thing? :P
20:26:45 <Mike_H> which reminds me
20:26:49 <Mike_H> now that everybody is here
20:27:00 <Mike_H> I think it would be beneficial to at least read the proposal for Wikimania 2008 Atlanta
20:27:08 <Mike_H> because I feel to be successful in the bid process
20:27:19 <Mike_H> we have to emulate how it's written in some fashion (and add some unique stuff along the way)
20:27:26 <Mike_H> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Bids/Atlanta
20:27:51 <Mike_H> Jhs has contributed a Wikimania Sweden logo, replacing the old colors with the blue and yellow from the Swedish flag
20:28:03 <Mike_H> and you'll see in the Atlanta logo, we swapped the red and blue around to have the American effect :)
20:28:09 <Bjelleklang> I'd also like everyone to take a look at the winning bid for 2009!
20:28:21 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: Yes, I'd like to see that, because I have not read it.
20:28:27 <Bjelleklang> sec
20:28:42 <Laaknor> sorry I'm late here - was in another meeting (will read the logs later)
20:28:46 <Bjelleklang> [[m:Wikimania_2009/Bids/Buenos_Aires]]
20:29:04 <Bjelleklang> Laaknor: no problem, just started :) You didn't miss much
20:29:18 <Mike_H> KaareBot is malfunctioning
20:29:21 <Mike_H> can you provide the exact link?
20:29:38 <PatriciaR> the Buenos Aires bid is a bit simpler in presentation, I think
20:29:44 <PatriciaR> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009/Bids/Buenos_Aires
20:30:13 <Mike_H> You're right, it is.
20:30:19 <Mike_H> It's still well-written though.
20:30:34 <Mike_H> My feelings are, the jury process can be a bit harsh for people who haven't gone through it
20:30:38 <Mike_H> because they ask EVERYTHING.
20:30:42 <Mike_H> If it isn't there, they'll ask why it isn't there.
20:30:47 <Bjelleklang> mhm
20:30:48 <Mike_H> So in Atlanta's case
20:30:51 <Mike_H> we went with something very elaborate
20:30:56 <Mike_H> something that left "no stone unturned"
20:31:06 <Mike_H> and it took us about six weeks to do
20:31:14 <Mike_H> and considering we have, what, more than six months?
20:31:23 <Mike_H> it should be very easy to replicate should we want to do that route.
20:31:23 <PatriciaR> I like the approach of having "strenghts vs. weaknesses"
20:31:42 <Bjelleklang> same here
20:31:48 <Mike_H> PatriciaR: well, that's one of the requirements in the bid itself. One thing we did is that we had strengths and weaknesses listed by category.
20:31:50 <Mike_H> Let me link.
20:32:02 <Mike_H> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Bids/Atlanta#Self-evaluation
20:32:16 <Mike_H> and not only did we have the weaknesses down there
20:32:26 <Mike_H> we had active solutions on how to make those weaknesses less...weak :)
20:32:37 <PatriciaR> good :)
20:32:53 <CarinaT> yes very good
20:33:31 <Mike_H> and strengths are very important to...
20:33:34 <Mike_H> not so much "play up"
20:33:39 <Mike_H> but to let people know who may not know.
20:33:48 <Mike_H> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Bids/Atlanta#Strengths
20:33:52 <Mike_H> I'm personally proud of #1
20:33:57 <Mike_H> on that "safety strengths" list
20:34:04 <Jhs> we should try and get a mailing list, folks, where we can share ideas and thoughts in non-real-time
20:34:19 <PatriciaR> agree
20:34:30 <Mike_H> Jhs: it would have to be hosted by someone else, because they won't give a bid a mailing list.
20:34:35 <PatriciaR> who do we contact to get one going?
20:34:36 <Mike_H> We never had one and none of the other 2008 bids had one.
20:34:37 <henrik> Jhs: Absolutely. I'd be happy to host it.
20:34:44 <Jhs> Mike_H, yeah, not a problem. we have henrik ;)
20:34:46 <Mike_H> henrik: perfect! thank you!
20:34:48 <henrik> PatriciaR: I can do it.
20:34:56 <PatriciaR> great! thank you!
20:35:10 <Mike_H> but yeah, that's the kind of writing I personally think is beneficial for "strengths"
20:35:15 <Mike_H> everyone go to the last link
20:35:18 <Mike_H> and read #1 :)
20:35:38 <Jhs> now, dinner time. i'll be back in ~15-20minutes
20:35:58 <MikaelLindmark> I like the mailing list idea
20:36:43 <PatriciaR> well, we're the capital of Scandinavia :P and Sweden is well known to be a peaceful, neutral country, so we can have those among the major strenghts :D
20:36:56 <Mike_H> Oh, yes, I think that would be a good play to do
20:36:58 <PatriciaR> (politically neutral)
20:37:09 <Mike_H> PatriciaR: tying it into "NPOV" would be kind of cute too ;)
20:37:19 <PatriciaR> heh
20:37:30 <PatriciaR> the land of NPOV
20:37:49 <Bjelleklang> hehe
20:38:29 <Mike_H> one thing I did with the bid
20:38:35 <Mike_H> which was actually really praised
20:38:45 <Mike_H> and not something that was even asked of me, but became a useful reference
20:38:52 <Mike_H> is that I created a list of places of worship
20:38:56 <Mike_H> so while people are away from home
20:39:03 <Mike_H> they can still go to church/synagogue/mosque if they choose.
20:39:11 <PatriciaR> that's a great idea
20:39:11 <Mike_H> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Bids/Atlanta/Places_of_worship
20:39:48 <PatriciaR> and Stockholm has very diverse communities, it will not be difficult to find different places of worship around the city
20:40:18 <Mike_H> Okay
20:40:22 <Mike_H> so take a look over the Atlanta bid
20:40:22 <PatriciaR> we should look up some demographic data to support this
20:40:26 <Mike_H> PatriciaR: yes
20:40:28 <Mike_H> that's very important
20:40:52 <Mike_H> look over the Atlanta bid and tell me one thing that sticks out to you that you personally want to see in the Stockholm bid, tailored for Sweden and the Nordic countries.
20:42:10 <Mike_H> Anyone got something ready that they like?
20:43:38 <Wegge> The bit about transportation is a must in my eyes.
20:43:46 <PatriciaR> hard to say... perhaps focusing on how easy is to access Stockholm, especially from North America and Europe in general, because that was cause for much brawling on the BA bid
20:43:56 <PatriciaR> or rather, after it was known it was BA
20:44:02 <Wegge> It helps a lot when you end up in an airport somewhere, that you don't have to worry about public transportation.
20:44:13 <Mike_H> Wegge, PatriciaR: It's interesting you all picked the same issue
20:44:15 <Mike_H> yeah, I think it's good
20:44:24 <Mike_H> Stockholm is the air hub for Scandinavia/Nordic countries.
20:44:34 <Mike_H> It'll be the easiest to get to from most places in the world and usually the cheapest.
20:44:36 <MikaelLindmark> I have to leave for 10-20 minutes
20:44:52 <MikaelLindmark> :-/
20:44:58 <Mike_H> MikaelLindmark: we'll still be here!
20:45:16 <MikaelLindmark> I'll read it later
20:45:53 <henrik> Mike_H: Copenhagen is more of the main hub, but Stockholm isn't too bad.
20:46:04 <Mike_H> henrik: Sweden has the cheapest air fares.
20:46:11 <Mike_H> Denmark is on par with Norway and Finland.
20:46:23 <henrik> ok.
20:46:31 <Mike_H> anyway
20:46:33 <Mike_H> transport
20:46:35 <Mike_H> very important
20:46:40 <PatriciaR> yes, Copenhagen is the real international airport
20:46:41 <Mike_H> and not just for the world travelers
20:47:06 <Mike_H> travel from the different countries up north should be a section that's important
20:47:09 <Mike_H> and travel for Europeans.
20:47:17 <Wegge> Point in case: There's a pretty good train connection from Kastrup to Stockholm, in case it is easier/chaper/convenienter to fly there instead.
20:48:07 <Mike_H> Okay
20:48:15 <Mike_H> so that's something we would want to focus on, perhaps first.
20:48:20 <Mike_H> One thing I think is important is
20:48:24 <Mike_H> all the things we need to do in the bid
20:48:37 <Mike_H> we need to start parceling out that work now, with a loose deadline (like the end of September).
20:48:46 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang would probably like to speak more on that.
20:49:03 <Bjelleklang> yeah
20:49:46 <Bjelleklang> although the bid itself is what the jury will read, we also need to do a lot of other work to get everything complete
20:50:16 <Mike_H> well, and that other work will also be outlined
20:50:20 <Mike_H> it's like when you do a math problem
20:50:23 <Mike_H> "show your work"
20:50:31 <Mike_H> you outline what you did, always.
20:50:37 <Bjelleklang> such as getting in touch with potential sponsors, government organizations to apply for any grants, possible sites to host the conference, etc
20:51:18 <Mike_H> okay, what we did in the Atlanta bid
20:51:20 <Mike_H> with sponsors
20:51:21 <Bjelleklang> everybody can probably not be a part of all that, so we need to find out who will do what in the different countries
20:51:29 <Mike_H> is we listed a long list of sponsors unique to our area
20:51:40 <Mike_H> and then each of us took some to e-mail or call on the telephone.
20:52:02 <Mike_H> I think the Swedes would need to take the Swedish sponsors (which may result in more work for them)
20:52:07 <Bjelleklang> mhm
20:52:08 <Mike_H> and the Norwegians take the Norwegian sponsors
20:52:09 <Mike_H> etc etc.
20:52:11 <Bjelleklang> yeah
20:52:23 <Mike_H> however, one important sponsor
20:52:28 <Mike_H> who I've had my eye on for a while
20:52:29 <Mike_H> is Nokia
20:52:33 <Mike_H> and we don't have any Finns on the team yet.
20:52:48 <Bjelleklang> I'm not sure if we need it, but having one person to coordinate everything for each country, or sponsors/grants as a whole might not be a bad idea
20:53:00 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: like a country leader?
20:53:23 <CarinaT> I think that's overkill
20:53:25 <Bjelleklang> either that, or one person for all countries
20:53:27 <Bjelleklang> mhm
20:53:31 <Bjelleklang> at least right now
20:53:31 <Mike_H> It would be overkill for Denmark
20:53:32 <CarinaT> we are only 2 to 3 people each
20:53:34 <Bjelleklang> hehe
20:53:35 <Mike_H> where there are only two people
20:53:49 <Mike_H> I think for Sweden, however
20:53:52 <Mike_H> it would not be a bad idea.
20:53:56 <Mike_H> They will have more people to contact.
20:54:08 <Bjelleklang> I don't think we need one for each country, but we should probably have one person that could be an overall coordinator
20:54:22 <Mike_H> I have a name in mind.
20:54:30 <Mike_H> I don't know if anyone else is thinking the same thing.
20:54:49 <Bjelleklang> keep track of sponsors across the various borders, help outline applications, and so on
20:54:57 <Mike_H> I had PatriciaR in mind for that, since she is in Stockholm and in some cases she would be the one to actually meet with people if it came to that.
20:55:15 <Mike_H> PatriciaR, does that sound like something you can coordinate? the sponsors?
20:55:43 <Bjelleklang> it's important to note that you won't be doing all the work by yourself though ;)
20:55:57 <Mike_H> right, overseeing isn't the same as doing everything on your own
20:56:09 <PatriciaR> I guess I can try, it's just doing some oversight
20:56:11 <Mike_H> especially with the Swedish stuff, there are still three other people working too
20:56:16 <Mike_H> PatriciaR: yeah, oversight
20:56:39 <PatriciaR> sure, if all agree, i can do that
20:57:10 <Bjelleklang> sounds good :)
20:57:12 <Mike_H> CarinaT: do you have objections to PatriciaR overseeing the sponsor process? it still lets people work on their own but lets someone keep track of what's going on
20:57:26 <CarinaT> no, surely not
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20:57:32 <Mike_H> okay, then it's settled :)
20:57:47 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: what else should be delegated?
20:57:55 <Mike_H> some work on writing the bid needs to start.
20:57:57 <Bjelleklang> mhm
20:57:58 <Mike_H> what should we start with?
20:58:06 <Bjelleklang> one person to oversee the bid itself?
20:58:13 <Bjelleklang> is that needed?
20:58:39 <Mike_H> no.
20:58:42 <Mike_H> I meant
20:58:50 <Mike_H> it would be easier for the bid to come together if it was written in parts
20:58:56 <Mike_H> and one part being written by a different person
20:59:13 <Mike_H> and another part by another person
20:59:21 <Mike_H> so it isn't one person writing some huge thing (like I did for Atlanta)
20:59:24 <CarinaT> sounds easyer to overcome then
20:59:42 <Bjelleklang> probably
20:59:51 <Bjelleklang> we could delegate the various sections
21:00:01 <Bjelleklang> for example, one section could be the event itself
21:00:26 <Mike_H> right.
21:00:29 <Bjelleklang> one could be things such as transportation, accommodation and the logistics needed in Stockholm itself
21:00:47 <Mike_H> and not only can we partition who writes it
21:00:50 <Mike_H> but if you're writing it
21:00:58 <Mike_H> it makes sense that you'll be doing the research and e-mailing about it.
21:00:59 <PatriciaR> perhaps divide that into two if it's too much
21:01:06 <Bjelleklang> one section could be to find out and write more about how you actually get to Stockholm from any part of the world
21:01:13 <PatriciaR> yes, hence a mailing list is handy :)
21:01:16 <Bjelleklang> mhm
21:01:36 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: the Oxford bid has already outlined who is doing what
21:01:39 <Mike_H> let me get the link
21:01:40 <PatriciaR> one section for Stockholm itself: demographics, climate, history
21:01:44 <Bjelleklang> yeah
21:01:44 <Mike_H> I'll see how they laid it out
21:01:53 <CarinaT> then a section about weaknesses and strenghts
21:01:54 <Bjelleklang> as well as "things to do while in Stockholm"
21:02:24 <Mike_H> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2010/Bids/Oxford#Project_Management
21:02:26 <CarinaT> but that will probably come together from various parts
21:02:31 <Mike_H> I think this is a bit too elaborate for us
21:02:34 <Bjelleklang> I think the weaknesses and strengths should be added at the end...basically, we are going to need people not too involved in the actual writing of the bid to look it over, and find weaknesses
21:02:39 <Mike_H> but it wouldn't be bad to assign people to various tasks
21:02:42 <Bjelleklang> mhm
21:02:46 <Mike_H> I don't think a large table is necessary though
21:03:47 <Mike_H> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2010/Bids/Oxford/Media
21:03:59 <Mike_H> My roommate will be putting together an intro clip video for the bid
21:04:04 <Mike_H> like an intro clip, five seconds long
21:04:08 <Mike_H> It's not necessary
21:04:11 <Mike_H> but it will be nice :)
21:04:18 <Bjelleklang> we should not have too much overhead in terms of management and administration
21:04:23 <Bjelleklang> at least not yet :p
21:04:25 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: so what I think is important today is
21:04:31 <Mike_H> for us to carve out the sections we need in the bid
21:04:32 <henrik> PatriciaR: I'll add mailing list info to the page as soon as I have it set up.
21:04:34 <Mike_H> and to assign someone to them.
21:04:41 <Mike_H> I think we need to do it tonight.
21:04:42 <PatriciaR> henrik thanks
21:04:44 <Mike_H> And have the deadline be
21:04:46 <Mike_H> September 30.
21:04:51 <Mike_H> on the first task or so.
21:04:55 <Bjelleklang> As I see it, we need 3-4 people responsible for each part of the bid. Patricia will coordinate sponsorships and grants
21:04:56 <PatriciaR> yes, let's do that
21:05:08 <Mike_H> I think PatriciaR should also coordinate the venue
21:05:10 <Bjelleklang> the budget should be a result of the bid itself
21:05:11 <Mike_H> since she is the one in Stockholm
21:05:14 <Bjelleklang> probably
21:05:21 <Mike_H> the budget will be the last thing done
21:05:27 <Mike_H> that doesn't have to be planned now.
21:05:31 <Bjelleklang> but we can start with sending e-mails to the ones suggested so far
21:05:41 <Mike_H> Wegge suggested travel
21:05:48 <Mike_H> would he like to be in charge of the transportation section?
21:05:59 <Bjelleklang> we don't need to meet up with each of the three venues until we know exactly what they can offer, and what it will cost
21:06:10 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: right, e-mails are the first step
21:06:25 <Wegge> Mike_H I can do that
21:06:28 <Mike_H> perfect
21:06:41 <Mike_H> Accommodation.
21:06:51 <Mike_H> Who would be interested in putting together places for accommodation?
21:07:34 <Mike_H> Okay, it's gonna get to the point where I'm just going to yell out names. :P
21:07:36 <Bjelleklang> (this will also consist of e-mails atm, we need to find a list of hotels, get prices and then get in touch to discuss any discounts etc)
21:08:06 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: yes.
21:08:13 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: why don't you take that?
21:08:17 <Mike_H> you sound like you know what to do
21:08:21 <Bjelleklang> I think I'd like to do a bit about the event itself; some is already outlined on the talkpage :p
21:08:44 <Bjelleklang> but sure, if noone else can, I'll compile a list of hotels
21:09:00 <Mike_H> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Bids/Atlanta#Accommodation
21:09:04 <Bjelleklang> but it would probably be preferable if someone speaking swedish could write the actual e-mail to send out
21:09:04 <Mike_H> it'll be an easy but boring job
21:09:05 <Mike_H> price quotes
21:09:07 <Mike_H> specials
21:09:07 <Mike_H> etc.
21:09:12 <Bjelleklang> yeah
21:09:26 <Mike_H> Okay
21:09:31 <Mike_H> there is a section called "Catering"
21:09:42 <Mike_H> and that includes how people will be eating while there
21:09:48 <Bjelleklang> that could probably wait for a while
21:09:48 <Mike_H> whether we can find a way for them to eat at the conference
21:10:01 <Bjelleklang> where people will eat depends on the venue
21:10:04 <Mike_H> it can wait until after we've picked which venue
21:10:08 <Mike_H> but that will happen fairly soon
21:10:11 <Mike_H> so we need a name on it at least.
21:10:24 <Mike_H> their job won't start right away
21:10:29 <Mike_H> but they need to be assigned to it.
21:10:45 <Mike_H> CarinaT: this is a lightweight job that won't require you to actually contact people, just do research
21:10:53 <Mike_H> with your schedule, I think it'll be perfect for you, and it won't start right away
21:10:56 <Mike_H> would you like to take catering?
21:11:14 <CarinaT> yes, i think I can do that
21:11:31 <Mike_H> Okay, sounds good.
21:11:35 <Bjelleklang> :)
21:12:13 <Mike_H> there's a section called Media
21:12:17 <Bjelleklang> okay, CarinaT: we'll probably need to cooperate for a bit when the time comes to check out catering
21:12:25 <Mike_H> it outlines all the media (print, television, etc.) in the Nordic countries.
21:12:30 <Bjelleklang> as the requirements for the venue catering will be the same as for the hotels
21:12:37 <Mike_H> it will help to get perhaps sponsorships and media recognition later.
21:12:40 <CarinaT> great :9
21:12:40 <Mike_H> this is also an easy job.
21:13:24 <Mike_H> Laaknor: would you like to take that job? It's one of those things that wouldn't require a lot of in-person work, just research
21:13:31 <Mike_H> we'd be shooting for all the media in the Nordic countries
21:13:35 <Mike_H> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Bids/Atlanta#Media
21:13:39 <Mike_H> that's an example of what we wrote for Atlanta
21:14:19 <PatriciaR> I'm sorry, but I must go away for some 15 min or so, I'll be back as soon as possible
21:14:27 <Mike_H> :)
21:15:03 <Bjelleklang> wait for a sec, trying to update the news while we're speaking in here :p
21:15:13 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: ok :)
21:15:27 <Mike_H> it'll give time for Laaknor to come back
21:15:51 <Mike_H> oh
21:15:54 <Mike_H> he'll read the logs later
21:16:10 <Laaknor> I'll probably do that
21:16:11 <Mike_H> well, he'll be put on that job for now. Jhs is also not here so if they want to swap, they can talk that out amongst themselves
21:16:17 <Mike_H> Laaknor: okay, good
21:16:19 <Laaknor> *got systems that has crashed on work*
21:16:24 <Mike_H> oh, geez!
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21:17:27 <Mike_H> okay
21:17:32 <Mike_H> the next thing to plan is the party.
21:17:37 <Mike_H> this is a core requirement.
21:17:38 <Mike_H> there are two parties
21:17:43 <Mike_H> one for all the attendees
21:17:48 <Mike_H> and one for VIP.
21:17:59 <Mike_H> the attendees' party can be held in a different place than the venue
21:17:59 <CarinaT> who are the VIP's?
21:18:04 <Mike_H> as long as there can be a bus there
21:18:29 <Mike_H> CarinaT: the VIPs would be people like Jimmy Wales, Foundation people, the bid team (!! :), media, and sponsors.
21:18:45 <CarinaT> okay, just good to know :)
21:18:51 <Mike_H> Wikimania traditionally hosts two parties, one for attendees (capacity of 250-350) and one for sponsors and VIPs (capacity 40-60).
21:19:20 <Bjelleklang> ah, party planning
21:19:27 <Mike_H> Since this is something that is best served by someone from Sweden
21:19:35 <Mike_H> I think we need the next-closest person to Stockholm
21:19:38 <Mike_H> and that person would be henrik.
21:19:46 <Mike_H> Would you be okay with planning the parties?
21:19:53 <Mike_H> and selecting the venues for those parties?
21:20:03 <Bjelleklang> question: is there any fixed plan for the party?
21:20:14 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: no. This will be the most creative part of it.
21:20:16 <Mike_H> Wikimania traditionally hosts two parties, one for attendees (capacity of 250-350) and one for sponsors and VIPs (capacity 40-60).
21:20:23 <Mike_H> The VIP party is expected to be fancier.
21:20:27 <Bjelleklang> or is it just a general part, where people can meet, chat and drink?
21:20:35 <Mike_H> yeah, that's the main attendee party.
21:20:44 <Mike_H> the VIP party will probably be fancier
21:20:45 <Mike_H> sit-down
21:20:45 <henrik> I can give it a whirl. But I expect it'll require some help.
21:20:45 <Bjelleklang> okay, in that case we need to get in touch with an event planning company
21:21:05 <Mike_H> henrik: and perhaps the other Swede teammates would be able to do that
21:21:06 <Mike_H> if you need help, just ask any of us
21:21:06 <Mike_H> we probably would not mind.
21:21:14 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: event planning companies cost too much.
21:21:20 <Mike_H> also
21:21:20 <Mike_H> if it's a popular venue
21:21:23 <Mike_H> usually they have those people on staff already.
21:21:27 <Mike_H> and they can help.
21:21:27 <Bjelleklang> that would be the best, or alternatively someone renting out/working with sound/light
21:21:38 <Bjelleklang> yeah, but it depends on the venue
21:21:40 <Mike_H> When I planned the party at the Carter Center
21:21:46 <Mike_H> they had a party planner on staff already.
21:21:47 <Bjelleklang> not all venues would be suitable for having a party
21:21:57 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: well, I'd imagine they would have a party planner at the Globe.
21:21:58 <Bjelleklang> yeah, we need a dedicated planner for that
21:22:31 <Bjelleklang> depends...not everyone renting it need a party ;) I'd imagine that the job is outsourced to a local company
21:22:34 <Wegge> Suggestion: If the venue is an educational institution, get in touch with the local social club, and ask what they usually do.
21:22:41 <Bjelleklang> for example
21:22:45 <Mike_H> Wegge: right.
21:22:49 <Mike_H> I don't know how it works in Sweden
21:22:51 <Mike_H> but in the US
21:22:56 <Mike_H> if you get sponsorship from a student organization
21:22:57 <Bjelleklang> if it's a university, they are likely to have local student pubs
21:23:01 <Mike_H> you can get things discounted or free.
21:23:07 <Bjelleklang> mhm
21:23:28 <Mike_H> The next section
21:23:32 <Mike_H> Tourism opportunities.
21:23:39 <Mike_H> Writing about what there is to see and do in beautiful Stockholm.
21:23:51 <Mike_H> Jhs knows a bit about that area
21:23:55 <Mike_H> I will be assigning that section to him.
21:23:59 <Mike_H> :P
21:24:11 <Mike_H> and sponsors, we've already gone through that
21:24:19 <Mike_H> Patricia will be overseeing that and everyone will be contributing
21:24:27 <Mike_H> Everyone!
21:24:34 <Mike_H> I'm going to open a sponsorship page
21:24:35 <Mike_H> and what I want you to do
21:24:39 <Mike_H> is if you're from a certain country
21:24:46 <Mike_H> list companies which are nationally or internationally known
21:24:58 <Mike_H> that way we can get in contact with them to sponsor the event.
21:25:06 <Mike_H> everyone can do Finland since we have no Finns on the team.
21:25:29 <Mike_H> Okay, Self-evaluation
21:25:37 <Mike_H> this can be a VERY long section if you're thorough enough.
21:26:08 <Bjelleklang> I've got something to say here :p
21:26:18 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: ok
21:26:33 <henrik> Alright, lets see if this works:
21:26:34 <henrik> http://mail.grok.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-sweden
21:26:48 <Bjelleklang> this section should probably be done by someone not too involved in writing the bid! They would be a lot more likely to spot weaknesses and things missing
21:26:57 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: I agree
21:27:03 <Mike_H> and I was going to give it to not just one person
21:27:04 <Mike_H> but two people
21:27:07 <Bjelleklang> good
21:27:08 <Mike_H> the final two Swedes left
21:27:09 <Mike_H> fluff and MikaelLindmark
21:27:12 <Bjelleklang> :)
21:27:20 <Mike_H> and then the final section is actually the first section
21:27:26 <Mike_H> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Bids/Atlanta#Overview
21:27:27 <Mike_H> the overview
21:27:30 <Mike_H> coordinating the intro
21:27:34 <Mike_H> the translations with the intros
21:27:36 <Mike_H> the letter to the jury
21:27:45 <Mike_H> and city details (which we'll pick a date for the event, etc)
21:27:47 <Mike_H> and I will take that.
21:27:55 <Mike_H> So I am pretty sure everyone now has a job. :)
21:28:50 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: now you can finish the news template with the rest of the jobs :D
21:29:55 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: while you're doing that, I'm going to have a cigarette
21:30:02 <Mike_H> and when I come back we can continue talking about and finish up the meeting :)
21:30:25 <Bjelleklang> sure
21:30:53 <Bjelleklang> okay, I've probably missed some of the assignments...could everyone just have a quick look at the template to see if they are missing?
21:32:14 <CarinaT> wegge is doing the transport section
21:32:35 <Wegge> Yes
21:32:56 <Wegge> Sorry I didn't answer straight away, I had to go search for the template :/
21:33:33 <Bjelleklang> hehe
21:35:55 <Bjelleklang> updated
21:36:49 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: you're missing me!
21:37:22 <Bjelleklang> oh?
21:37:28 <Bjelleklang> what was your assignment?
21:37:39 <Mike_H> I will be coordinating the intro section (there will be a new, more in-depth one, with translations too), the letter to the jury, and deciding with all of you what date we will be having the conference. If at all possible I will also try to line up interested parties for keynote speeches.
21:37:47 <Bjelleklang> ah, just add it to the list :)
21:37:50 <Mike_H> ok :)
21:38:04 <Bjelleklang> btw, about the date
21:38:12 <Bjelleklang> we should set it as soon as possible
21:38:21 <CarinaT> indeed
21:38:34 <Bjelleklang> It's going to be vital knowing the date in order to talk more with _any_ external organization
21:38:35 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: well
21:38:40 <Mike_H> why don't we do it now?
21:38:44 <Bjelleklang> sure
21:38:45 <Bjelleklang> :)
21:38:48 <Mike_H> July is the holiday month in Norway
21:38:51 <Bjelleklang> mhm
21:38:53 <Mike_H> is it the same in Denmark and Sweden?
21:39:06 <CarinaT> week 29-31
21:39:11 <CarinaT> in Denmark
21:39:22 <Bjelleklang> probably not the best time to have the event
21:39:50 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: it'll be the time people will be having vacations
21:40:01 <Mike_H> it'll be easy for people to make plans to go there and it will be quieter for us to have an event to ourselves.
21:40:02 <Bjelleklang> yeah
21:40:02 <CarinaT> but also more expensive
21:40:13 <Mike_H> It has to be held in July at any rate.
21:40:14 <Bjelleklang> but at the same time, things will be more expensive just because of that
21:40:18 <Mike_H> That's just when Wikimania occurs.
21:40:22 <Bjelleklang> oh?
21:40:24 <Mike_H> Yes.
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21:40:47 <Mike_H> I think we may be able to hold it in the first week in August.
21:40:56 <Bjelleklang> that would be somewhat better
21:41:04 <Mike_H> That would be Week 32.
21:41:06 <Bjelleklang> we shouldn't think of this as a conference just for wikipedians
21:41:07 <Mike_H> August 1-7, 2010.
21:41:12 <Mike_H> I agree.
21:41:30 <Bjelleklang> this is just as much a conference for people working within IT and other related areas
21:41:38 <Mike_H> We can start on a Thursday
21:41:41 <Mike_H> and end on a Sunday.
21:41:44 <Mike_H> which in 2010
21:41:47 <Mike_H> will be the dates...
21:41:48 <Mike_H> August 5-8.
21:41:55 <Bjelleklang> having the conference when all of them are on vacation might not be a good idea :p
21:42:01 <Bjelleklang> that would be good
21:42:09 <Mike_H> CarinaT: do you like August 5-8?
21:42:17 <Bjelleklang> "# Dates should be from the beginning of July to mid August and should include a weekend."
21:42:17 <CarinaT> yes I do :D
21:42:23 <Mike_H> PatriciaR: that will be important
21:42:30 <Mike_H> when you do research for venues and ask for prices
21:42:35 <Mike_H> you will ask for August 5-8, 2010.
21:42:40 <PatriciaR> ok
21:42:41 <Bjelleklang> mhm
21:42:46 <Bjelleklang> alternatively, one week earlier
21:42:51 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: yes.
21:42:55 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: but that reminds me
21:43:02 <Bjelleklang> one week later, and we risk conflicting with schools starting up again
21:43:03 <Mike_H> please correct the banner tonight
21:43:07 <Bjelleklang> ah, yes
21:43:07 <Mike_H> change the Danish translation to
21:43:09 <Mike_H> "vi er sammen!"
21:43:13 <Bjelleklang> mhm
21:43:17 <Mike_H> and add the date to the banner
21:43:20 <Mike_H> August 5-8, 2010.
21:43:50 <Mike_H> translate it into the other languages on the banner if you feel it's important :)
21:44:06 <Bjelleklang> nah
21:44:11 <Mike_H> I didn't think so either
21:44:15 <Mike_H> but I just wanted to throw it out there
21:44:21 <Bjelleklang> will take too much space
21:44:37 <Bjelleklang> and also; if anyone comes across a better image, please let me know!
21:44:47 <Mike_H> yeah
21:44:59 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: can you do those alterations tonight to the banner?
21:46:21 <Bjelleklang> already done them :)
21:46:25 <Bjelleklang> uploading it now
21:47:01 <Mike_H> :)
21:47:04 * Mike_H hugs Bjelleklang
21:47:05 <henrik> Bjelleklang: You could also include the link to mailing list info on the news. I added it to the bid page already, but it'd be nice to have on the news template as well.
21:47:17 <Mike_H> henrik: I can do it
21:47:22 <Mike_H> I still have to add my stuff there anyway
21:47:32 <henrik> ok
21:49:02 <Mike_H> oh
21:49:05 <Mike_H> another thing that's important
21:49:14 <Mike_H> that we should probably announce the news template and that we had our first meeting
21:49:23 <Bjelleklang> mhm
21:49:29 <Mike_H> on Tinget/Bybrunnen/Landsbybronden/Kahvihuone/Potturinn etc etc etc etc.
21:49:29 <Mike_H> :D
21:49:36 <PatriciaR> where are we distributing the template right now? the nordic projects?
21:49:44 <Mike_H> PatriciaR: plus en
21:49:48 <PatriciaR> pedias only or all?
21:49:57 <CarinaT> only pedias
21:50:23 <Bjelleklang> listed on meta
21:50:28 <PatriciaR> we should expand to other projects, I think
21:50:32 <CarinaT> I don't know about the other nordic sister projects but ours are almost inactive so it wouldn't matter
21:51:09 <Bjelleklang> currently: meta, en, da, nn, no, sv, is and fi
21:51:34 <CarinaT> but surely we can announce it, and then they will just have to look on the pedias
21:51:37 <PatriciaR> should do Commons too :)
21:51:42 <Bjelleklang> mhm
21:51:51 <PatriciaR> that would be great :)
21:52:04 <Bjelleklang> if anyone have other place to export it, just do it and mention it on the top of the template at meta :)
21:52:06 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: oh
21:52:10 <Mike_H> I just thought
21:52:14 <Bjelleklang> ok, uploaded the banner now
21:52:19 <Mike_H> you could replace the WMF logo with the Swedish Wikimania logo
21:52:26 <Mike_H> I should have said it before you uploaded :(
21:52:29 <Bjelleklang> hehe
21:52:59 <Bjelleklang> I'd rather not for the moment...the WM logo is much more known, and we don't have any official backing from WM:SV yet
21:53:33 <Bjelleklang> the wikimedia logo can be justified as this is a wikimedia conference, but I'd like to avoid having the swedish logo there until we have official backing
21:54:13 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: WM Sweden doesn't own the colors to the Swedish flag, you know.
21:54:16 <Mike_H> It's an unofficial emblem. :P
21:54:39 <CarinaT> any more adds to the template before we start translating the new stuff?
21:54:45 <PatriciaR> still, it's a nordic countries bid
21:54:48 <Mike_H> CarinaT: sorry
21:54:48 <Mike_H> yes
21:54:49 <Mike_H> there is
21:54:52 <Mike_H> I haven't added mine yet
21:54:53 <PatriciaR> let's keep it neutral ;)
21:54:59 <CarinaT> okay, I wait
21:55:15 <Mike_H> PatriciaR: Jon Harald created the Swedish logo
21:55:17 <Mike_H> I think it's cute, actually :)
21:56:06 <Bjelleklang> btw, please note that I've included some <noinclude> tags in the template...just so we don't transclude older news to all the pages that use the template
21:56:30 <henrik> I like the current logo, it looks professional and very much in Scandinavian simplicity style.
21:57:11 <CarinaT> I just think like PatriciaR that it's the nordic countries not only sweden...
21:57:27 <Mike_H> but it's going to be held in Sweden.
21:57:42 <Mike_H> I mean, we've been fairly inclusive about EVERYTHING else
21:57:48 <PatriciaR> and I think it's a bit of a sensitive issue, if we're doing nordic countries, let's do it balanced (historical reasons, etc)
21:58:27 <CarinaT> yes, that's exactely what I mean - with everything else we are saying "we are one"
21:58:56 <henrik> We could always hold a competition on all the nordic wikis and see if anyone can come up with a better one :)
21:59:05 <Bjelleklang> are we still on the banner? :p
21:59:11 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: not anymore
21:59:13 <Bjelleklang> ah
21:59:38 <Bjelleklang> wm:sv logo then?
21:59:56 <Mike_H> I mean, each country can have one.
22:00:08 <Mike_H> that way everyone has one.
22:00:19 <Mike_H> Denmark's can be red with the bottom half being outlined black and white inside
22:00:22 <Bjelleklang> hmm
22:00:28 <Mike_H> Finland's being outlined black and white inside, and then blue
22:00:31 <Mike_H> etc etc.
22:01:42 <PatriciaR> wait I'm lost, we're not talking about a logo in the banner, but an independent logo?
22:01:49 <Mike_H> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Wikimania_2010_Stockholm.svg
22:01:53 <Mike_H> that logo
22:01:58 <Mike_H> I thought people had problems with that logo.
22:02:00 <Bjelleklang> ah, after finally having caught up to the discussion...:
22:02:17 <Mike_H> we've been using it on all the templates
22:02:23 <PatriciaR> aaaahhh
22:03:05 <Bjelleklang> the banner needs to be reworked when WM:SE (and NO) officially backs us
22:03:13 <Mike_H> oh yeah.
22:03:16 <Mike_H> that's not that important right now.
22:03:21 <Bjelleklang> nope
22:03:31 <PatriciaR> hm, to have different logos depending on the country I think it's not a good idea either , it's an image issue
22:03:34 <Bjelleklang> the wm:SE logo isn't something we should use until that time
22:03:45 <Mike_H> Oh, nobody brought up WM SE's logo
22:03:53 <Mike_H> I was talking about the Wikimania logo with blue and yellow
22:03:56 <Bjelleklang> having seperate logos for each country would only be confusing
22:03:56 <Mike_H> nobody cares about that?
22:03:57 <Bjelleklang> ah
22:03:58 <Mike_H> if not then we're good
22:04:10 <Bjelleklang> ok
22:04:17 <Mike_H> I misunderstood
22:04:17 <Mike_H> :)
22:04:32 <Bjelleklang> :)
22:04:58 <PatriciaR> no, I think that could be blue and yellow... it's way too simple to be arguing about colours
22:05:10 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: ah!
22:05:13 <Mike_H> you're missing people from the template
22:05:26 <Bjelleklang> if something is missing, please add it :)
22:05:38 <Mike_H> I'm trying to figure out what's missing :<
22:05:38 <Bjelleklang> things went a bit fast when we discussed everything :p
22:05:50 <Mike_H> Lars!
22:05:56 <Mike_H> I knew we were missing someone.
22:07:38 <Mike_H> done
22:07:41 <Mike_H> CarinaT: you can translate now.
22:07:53 <PatriciaR> henrik: can we start subscribing the mailing list?
22:08:00 <CarinaT> thank you Mike_H :)
22:08:07 <henrik> PatriciaR: yeah. Give it a try and let me know if you run into problems.
22:08:10 <Mike_H> CarinaT: I just did a save
22:08:12 <Mike_H> so it's good NOW
22:08:13 <Mike_H> :D
22:08:57 <henrik> Speaking of the party, there are a lot of possible, very famous, venues: For example, hiring the Blue hall at the city hall (where they have the Nobel Prize banquet every year) costs ~$7k.
22:09:25 <Bjelleklang> that's kind of expensive...
22:09:30 <Bjelleklang> imo
22:09:52 <Bjelleklang> we should check with whatever venue we end up with to see what they can offer
22:09:52 <Mike_H> henrik: let me pull up my cost figures for the party
22:10:05 <Wegge> unless the council could be persuaded to provide it for free as a sponsorship
22:10:38 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: actually
22:10:38 <henrik> Oh, definitely - it was just an example (it doesn't get much fancier than the Nobel Prize banquet). And of course it depends on how much sponsorship we can pull in.
22:10:40 <Mike_H> as weird as it sounds
22:10:45 <Mike_H> the Atlanta party would be around that much.
22:10:50 <Mike_H> Proof of the Pudding is the cocktail reception caterer, unique to the Carter Center, and a contract needs to be worked out with them; prices usually start at $30/head. Price quotes for the lobby of the center: $3,000. Add'l room would be an extra $1,200.
22:11:10 <Bjelleklang> yeah, the party itself
22:11:11 <Mike_H> the VIP party is less expensive because there are fewer people
22:11:17 <Mike_H> but I think we budgeted the party to be $10,000
22:11:20 <Bjelleklang> but here we're talking about that amount for location only
22:11:20 <Mike_H> $8,000 for the main party
22:11:22 <Mike_H> and $2,000 for VIP
22:11:29 <Mike_H> oh, location!
22:11:30 <Mike_H> oh, no.
22:11:37 <Mike_H> The location was about half of the $8,000
22:11:43 <Mike_H> the rest being actual food.
22:11:45 <Bjelleklang> yeah
22:11:48 <PatriciaR> how many people have attended the general parties before
22:11:48 <PatriciaR> ?
22:11:57 <Mike_H> PatriciaR: basically the same amount of people who go.
22:12:00 <Mike_H> to Wikimania.
22:12:07 <Mike_H> a few hundred.
22:12:08 <Bjelleklang> but that $7000 was for renting the hall itself, not the rest of the party
22:12:09 <Mike_H> 300-400
22:12:14 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: yeah, I got it
22:12:25 <Bjelleklang> we should check out the venue first, see if they've got a hall big enough and not used for the convention
22:12:32 <Bjelleklang> if they do, we are likely to get it cheap
22:12:59 <henrik> It's a shame we don't have any people connected to any of the universities in Stockholm.
22:13:16 <PatriciaR> actually... :D
22:13:22 <henrik> PatriciaR: or do we? :)
22:13:27 <PatriciaR> we do :)
22:13:32 <PatriciaR> I'll snoop around
22:13:34 <Mike_H> PatriciaR: which one do you work at?
22:14:16 <Bjelleklang> and if so, we can spend some money on decorations instead...a little lights and decoration can do miracles; I've done several concerts in garages and workhalls, but they looked like a real venue after we were done rigging ;)
22:14:16 <PatriciaR> well, I am a bit hesitant in giving too many details about my whereabouts...
22:14:24 <Bjelleklang> hehe
22:14:31 <Mike_H> PatriciaR: Oh, that's fine, if you just want to tell me in pm
22:14:33 <Mike_H> so it's not in the log
22:14:34 <Mike_H> you can do that
22:14:38 <PatriciaR> ok
22:15:48 <Mike_H> and one thing to consider
22:15:54 <Mike_H> even if we hold it at one university
22:16:05 <Mike_H> we can do a partnership and use resources from another university if they like the idea too
22:16:13 <Mike_H> like Stockholm University --> KTH
22:16:14 <Mike_H> or vice versa
22:16:14 <henrik> Talking to the Royal Library might be a good idea.
22:16:16 <henrik> too
22:16:24 <Bjelleklang> sure
22:16:30 <Mike_H> because we had both universities on the list right now
22:16:53 <Bjelleklang> this is a conference that is likely to be interesting for their employees as well
22:17:07 <PatriciaR> both KTH and SU have good places to hold major conferences
22:17:28 <Mike_H> It's important to go with the school that is most enthusiastic.
22:17:37 <Mike_H> It can be HELL doing a bid where the school just doesn't care.
22:17:46 <Mike_H> Georgia Tech did not really care that Wikimania would have been held in Atlanta.
22:18:00 <Mike_H> We ended up getting more support from a school that was hundreds of miles away.
22:18:09 <Mike_H> If I had known that going in, I would have done the bid there.
22:18:18 <Mike_H> So it's important to get connections and enthusiasm NOW.
22:18:39 <PatriciaR> it's very much up to us to present the event as a great thing, so they get motivated
22:19:09 <Bjelleklang> i agree
22:19:15 <Mike_H> right
22:19:22 <Mike_H> and that's why I think the theme of unity is really good.
22:19:31 <Mike_H> not only are the five countries and six Wiki-communities uniting as one
22:19:34 <Mike_H> but aren't we all?
22:19:40 <Mike_H> in the search for contributing free knowledge?
22:19:42 <Mike_H> :)
22:19:55 <PatriciaR> now I'm going to cry ;)
22:20:04 * Mike_H boohoos and hugs PatriciaR.
22:20:07 <Mike_H> :D
22:20:30 <PatriciaR> people, we've been meeting for over two hours now, should we try to wrap it up?
22:20:37 <Bjelleklang> yeah
22:20:44 <Mike_H> I can conclude for tonight if everyone else is ready.
22:20:46 <Bjelleklang> people got work and school in the morning :)
22:20:48 <Bjelleklang> wait
22:20:52 <Bjelleklang> I've got one more thing :p
22:21:04 <Mike_H> ok!
22:21:07 <Bjelleklang> we should agree on a fixed meeting for each week
22:22:17 <henrik> Thursdays at 20:00 CET works well for me, both now and in the future.
22:22:20 <Bjelleklang> if this is okay with everyone, I'd like to suggest the same day and time as for today
22:22:22 <Bjelleklang> :)
22:22:27 <Wegge> Fine with me
22:22:39 <Mike_H> hahaha
22:22:44 <Mike_H> it's 2 p.m. for me every Thursday :D
22:23:26 <PatriciaR> it's ok for me, but I may be a bit late for the meetings (15 min or so)
22:23:37 <PatriciaR> I'm not sure, wait a minute
22:23:51 <Mike_H> PatriciaR: well
22:23:59 <Mike_H> we will probably be starting them a little late anyway
22:24:05 <Mike_H> I have a bad time getting ready and organized :D
22:24:57 <Bjelleklang> ok guys, i'll unmute the channel now to see if anyone else have something to say :)
22:25:09 <Mike_H> Bjelleklang: oh
22:25:11 <Mike_H> and you can stop the logging now
22:25:13 <CarinaT> is it settled with thursdays at 8 then?
22:25:14 <Mike_H> since our meeting is over
22:25:16 <Mike_H> CarinaT: yes
22:25:21 <CarinaT> allright
22:25:21 <Mike_H> 8 in NO/SE/DK
22:25:22 <Mike_H> 6 in IS
22:25:23 <Bjelleklang> mhm
22:25:23 <Mike_H> 9 in FI
22:25:29 <Mike_H> 2 in E.US :(
