Talk:IP block exempt

Who grants this userright and under what circumstances?[edit]

I reviewing this in relation to the proposal at Grants:IdeaLab/Partnership between Wikimedia community and Tor community. Blue Rasberry (talk) 02:11, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's documented at NOP. --Nemo 10:11, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nemo bis I think no - it seems to be at Meta:IP block exemption, and I think this page should be deleted to redirect to that page, right? I am just learning about this and am unsure. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:57, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Meta namespace is about local policies, not global policies. --Nemo 16:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. I do not need a universal exemption, as I almost never edit anywhere except English wikipedia. But if I access via a TOR node, I cannot even edit my own talk page, and cannot log on, therefore making it impossible to communicate with ANYONE. Various people tell me that it can't be done, but a steward tells me that I just need my account flagged locally, unless I want access to multiple languages, which I have no need for. enWP only. I spoke with a Brit editor, not an admin, who told me he had such a flag, but I can't remember his username. The steward was international, and when he blocked me, he blocked me from all editing everywhere (all WMF projects). Once the block expired, he directed me to a page for universal block exempt. THAT page said that if I don't need universal access, which I don't, I should come to THIS page, and that a local block exemption is possible, but only if I use an account. I am an extended confirmed user, 3000+ edits, and the only times I've been blocked have been misunderstandings. I'm rarely even reverted. Blocking access to my talkpage is excessive. And once blocked, I can't even gain access thru normal channels, let alone open proxies. My service at home uses something they call "dynamic IP's" and my IP changes every time I access. Once I'm "ip blocked," I'm fucked. Rags (talk) 12:15, 30 April 2018 (UTC) Rags (talk) 12:15, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ragityman: I would like to revive this conversation. It exists in multiple places and I am just realizing that they might not all be connected. I want people like you to have access. I think the barriers are (1) lack of understanding of your situation (2) presumption that almost no users are in your situation (3) misplaced fear that people like you are a high risk of vandalism. I am not sure what all to do, but combining the conversations so that there can be a central discussion might be a first step. I am not sure who all can participate in this conversation or how to organize it. I wanted to ping you now to say that I am interested in doing something even if I am not sure what. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:50, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ragityman, what's the problem with asking a global exemption? You may not "need" it, but we want you to have it nevertheless. --Nemo 18:03, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueRaspberry, @Nemo:

I started out talking to a steward on Italian Wikipedia, and he referred me to English Wikipedia, saying that a local flag is available, and that this page is the proper venue. I don't know how the conversation migrated to many pages. It was not my intention to stir up a ruckus.

Sorry it has taken so long to respond. I have turned off notifications in my preferences, so I was not aware ... I don't know why a ping wouldn't reach me.

In reading over this thread, I revisited Meta:IP block exemption, where I read "Editors can be permitted to edit by way of an open proxy with the IP block exempt flag. This is granted on local projects by administrators and globally by stewards." The page further states that the local project decides availability, and that local admins can grant this on Meta and on English Wikipedia. This may not be correct, as several admins have told me that they themselves cannot edit via an open proxy or Tor. Possibly this is something they don't know they can do. I'd be happy if I could just write on Discussion Pages: I can always suggest an edit there. The purpose seems to be to prevent vandalism, however, and I'd be the last person to vandalize Wikipedia. I brought an issue to the Village Pump yesterday (20th) on vandalism: just one word, but it had persisted on the Coast page for 6 yrs, I believe.

I am willing to talk to whomever you suggest.

I saw a notification last night of change in WMF privacy policy. Will that bear on this at all? Rags (talk) 08:09, 22 May 2018 (UTC) Rags (talk) 08:09, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

user:Vituzzu is an Italian steward, and this is what he sent me after the block expired.

"Hi, the relevant page is m:GIPBE, though firstly be aware of the connection you're using. If you're consciously edit via TOR you can ask for an exempt, otherwise you should -first of all- check whether your traffic is being hijacked. --Vituzzu (talk) 19:48, 6 April 2018 (UTC)"[reply]

However, that page, Global Exempt, Meta:GIPBE, if you read closely, it says, The blanket global exemption allows access via TOR, but will not override a local IP block, so there seems to be some confusion. Rags (talk) 09:10, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry if you found some directions confusing, but the situation is very clear. If you want to edit via tor, the global IP exempt group is there for you to be able to, and you can ask it as explained at NOP#Exceptions. It's possible that your request was not clear enough and that it sounded like you were asking for an exemption from something else. Cheers, Nemo 14:59, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Local admins can not edit using TOR because they do not have 'torunblocked' permission, which is separate from 'ipblock-exempt' permission. However both permissions are part of IP block exemptions group as you can see here. 'torunblocked' is also part of Global IP block exemptions group together with 'globalblock-exempt' permission (see here). Ruslik (talk) 18:52, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]