Talk:www.wiktionary.org template

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Project portals www.wiktionary.org — live Staging area
www.wiktionary.org template contains the actual, raw HTML code that is displayed at https://www.wiktionary.org/. It is protected to prevent the insertion of malicious scripts or objects. Changes to the template will be displayed to visitors within one hour, but you can usually see them immediately once you clear your browser's cache.

Though www.wiktionary.org template is protected, the staging area is not: anyone can propose changes and updates there (detailed instructions).

Administrators: Always make your changes to www.wiktionary.org template/temp before copying them to www.wiktionary.org template, to keep the two pages in sync (see current differences).

Current issues[edit]

Module:Project portal identified the following issues in Www.wiktionary.org template:

Additions
Changes
  • Change el: article count from 435,000+ to 436,000+ in top 10 ring.
  • Change en: article count from 3,866,000+ to 3,879,000+ in top 10 ring.
  • Change es: article count from 831,000+ to 832,000+ in top 10 ring.
  • Change fr: article count from 2,609,000+ to 2,621,000+ in top 10 ring.
  • Change mg: article count from 3,599,000+ to 3,600,000+ in top 10 ring.
  • Change pl: article count from 438,000+ to 443,000+ in top 10 ring.
  • Change ru: article count from 550,000+ to 592,000+ in top 10 ring.
Reminders
  • Check if pnb: is still 10,000+.

This report was automatically generated based on article count data in Wiktionary/Table, which was last updated on 2014-12-19.


Archive
Archives

Kannada Wiktionary is now 100,000 +[edit]

Kannada Wiktionary is now 1,00,000+ Please update the www.wiktionary.org page to reflect the same and also the search box on the main page www.wiktionary.org - Vivek Shankar —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ವಿವೇಕ್ ಶಂಕರ್ (talk) 09:57, 4 April 2011 (CET)

Yes check.svg Done, I've added Kannada to the search field as well, it would be great if you could confirm that everything is all right - Hoo man (talk) 14:49, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I have checked and everything seems all right. Thanks for the updation - Vivek Shankar

ml.wikt - 100,000+ entries[edit]

{{editprotected}} Please move Malayalam (മലയാളം) wiktionary (ml.wikt) to the 100,000 definition category. Thanks ! --Jacob (talk) 18:59, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Symbol wait.svg Doing... -Barras talk 12:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
And Yes check.svg Done. -Barras talk 13:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

[edit]

Maybe it's time has already come to replace "English-centric" logo to new version? --Kaganer (talk) 09:46, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

That's actually the "old" new logo. The new logo is this. --Yair rand (talk) 12:08, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
The different language versions use different logos - perhaps it would be best to get some form of consistency between the logos usage on each of the Wiktionary sites first, then we can decide which one it best to use for the main page? The Helpful One 12:14, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Anyway, there is no representative consensus. The failure history. --Kaganer (talk) 13:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Update required[edit]

Li.wikt reached 100.000 articles today with wikt:li:vach. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 12:43, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Update[edit]

I updated Www.wiktionary.org_template/temp: replaced ta with el, raised Limburgs and lowered Hindi and updated counters. Ruslik (talk) 09:09, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Per your request, I've updated the general structure as well. However it appears a few new languages are now up in the portal and need a translation for "The free dictionary" and "entries". I've saved it onto temp, but pending those translations we can't sync yet. –Krinkletalk 14:32, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
You used wrong statistics: it is actually as of 31 March and is not ordered by the number of articles. Ruslik (talk) 16:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
There is no need to translate anything. Ruslik (talk) 16:50, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
I didn't use the wrong statistics, the wikistats page is correct. I just wrote the wrong date in my comment (March 31 instead of today, May 28). Per the Wikipedia portal, the ones around the globe are determined by traffic. The rest is grouped and ordered by page count. If you want to do that differently for Wiktionary, then by all means do whatever you want. Make the change on /temp (1: swap the link in the comment to wikistats for another link where the wiktionaries are ordered by pagecount, 2: update wm-globle to contain the top 10 pagecount wikis instead).
Either way, in the current state of /temp there are gaps in the text and translation is needed (those texts are already translated somewhere, but the exact formulation/grammar may vary so someone who speaks that language would need to look at that). –Krinkletalk 17:59, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Well, currently wiktionary.org shows 10 largest projects by the article count. As to the statistics, Wiktionary page has newer statistics but with a large discrepancy for zhwiktionary. Ruslik (talk) 18:49, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


Why are .lang1 and .lang2 defined as 60% and 63% ? (not symmetrical). The same goes for .lang5 and .lang6 (0% and -3%). Ruslik (talk) 19:48, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Don't know, that looks off indeed. Either way, they are just synchronized from Www.wikipedia.org template. Please discuss and/or fix there, then update here. –Krinkletalk 21:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Is the wikistats page really correct? How can it be that Hindi dropped to 6,000 pages, while it still had 105,000 pages on 1 May? All pages and the deletion log reveal nothing's really changed there... --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 09:49, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if it dropped. I don't know where Wiktionary/Table gets its data from. Looking at wikt:hi:Special:Statistics, I do know that currently the correct number of valid content pages for hiwiktionary is 6,182. ("valid content pages": number of pages in a namespace indicated as "content" (which on most wikis is just the main namespace) and have at least 1 link). stats.wikimedia.org uses the same algorithm as the MediaWiki software. –Krinkletalk 09:53, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Wiktionary/Table is from https://s23.org/wikistats/wiktionaries_html.php. Both statistics are in a perfect agreement as far as hiwiktionary is concerned. Ruslik (talk) 10:23, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Okay, good. So is there a problem? Although it sounds very interesting, I can't explain or confirm the apparent drop. What we have is the current data which is all we need for the portal page. –Krinkletalk 10:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
@Ruslik: Then please explain me how it's possible that hi.wikt dropped 100,000 articles this month. If the criteria for a page to be included as a page have changed, it should've effected other wikis as well, right? I believe we should keep Hindi in the 100,000+ section as we might be looking at a bug here. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 10:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
May be somebody mistyped. Ruslik (talk) 10:35, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Another update needed[edit]

Swedish Wiktionary is now the 9th largest, having more than 311 000 entries. Bounce1337 (talk) 10:08, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

And still further[edit]

Spanish should be added to the 100k+ section. - Amgine who is not signed in and too lazy to go back and sign in.

I updated the sandbox. Ruslik (talk) 06:39, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Kurdish[edit]

Kurdish is now 200,000+ [1]. Please update the www.wiktionary.org page and also the search box on the main page www.wiktionary.org Thanks. Heja helweda (talk) 20:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Done. Bennylin 17:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Updated[edit]

Uploaded updated data:

  • updated list (el & sv instead of tr & ta) and number of pages in 10 largest wiktionaries
  • added 1,000,000 section (adjusted bookshelves as well)
  • en, fr, mg wiktionaries moved up to 1,000,000+
  • et, es, li wiktionaries moved up to 100,000+
  • hi wiktionary moved down from 100,000+ to 1,000+ (as categorization is based on number of pages in main, not all pages)
  • zh-min-nan, nn, ps wiktionaries moved up to 10,000+
  • kl, sd moved down from 1,000+ to 100+
  • uz, sm, si wiktionaries moved up to 1000+
  • sorted list in 1,000+
  • locked ik wiktionary removed from 100+ list
  • dv, tn, ts wiktionaries removed (commented out as have below 100 pages)
  • jbo, or wiktionaries added to 100+

Based on [2] (which is the source of the list in Wiktionary) and pnb statistics (missing from the list).
Updated list is available in Www.wiktionary.org template/test; please sync. Ankry (talk) 22:44, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Also updated Www.wiktionary.org template/temp. Ankry (talk) 23:39, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Done. Hopefully didn't break anything. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 16:58, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
You should read the messages at Talk:www.wikipedia.org template#Re: Multiple updates needed. – Allen4names (talk) 05:46, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Unfortunately few mistakes appear: one misplaced /div and two extra (unnecessary) middle-dots. Fixed in /temp as proviously. Please sync again. Ankry (talk) 21:57, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Synced. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:45, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Update[edit]

I did a change. The Danish Wiktionary is on +10,000 now. Please check and sync. if the code is OK. Thank you. -- MarcoAurelio (talk) 20:03, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

[edit]

Copying self from Talk:www.wikimedia.org template: I thing logo of wikt should be changed to File:Wiktionary-logo.svg (I mean http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Wiktionary-logo.svg/200px-Wiktionary-logo.svg.png or something like this actually, sure. Or normal PNG version could be exported and uploaded) since current one is English language version only (because in other languages it is not "Wiktionary" even if these lang's wikts use stylized like current logos). This page should represent whole project but not it's English version only so language-neutral version should be ok. --Base (talk) 17:11, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Why would we use that one? The community voted on the book logo. The tile logo lost the vote. --Yair rand (talk) 17:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Only two wikis use the book logo, despite the community vote. The English Wiktionary logo would actually be more representative of the overall project. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 11:42, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Since tile logo is most widely used then it shall be used. Nobody cares how many users are in wikis. Number of wikis is important. Also textual logo is very complicated to translate into another language especialy if the language has ususual letter script as latin/greek/cyrillic, no chance to have language-independent logo as with tiles is possible. --Base (talk) 13:48, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Agreed, I was just arguing against the book logo, not for the textual logo. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 11:17, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
As I understand it, there are three Wiktionary logos in use currently (the tiles, the dictionary definition, and the book). --MZMcBride (talk) 20:05, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Trivia: there's a fourth, used at the Galician Wiktionary. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 10:32, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

In the years since the last vote took place, the book logo has seen virtually no uptake. Its adoption is currently limited to three wikis with a total of 633,394 entries and 63 active users, hardly representative of the overall Wiktionary community. The only argument I could see for using the dictionary image would be that it's just intended for decoration, not branding.

The English Wiktionary's textual logo is currently used by all the portals, including this one, and most Wiktionary entries reside on the 36 wikis that use a textual logo. However, the textual logos are quite diverse. To a user of the Catalan Wiktionary, the English Wiktionary logo might as well be a different logo.

The tiles logo is used by a majority of the wikis in the top 10 ring. Also, as Nemo bis pointed out, the tiles logo is the default logo in the site configuration. I find his argument compelling, but then again, I found the tiles logo compelling in the first place.

So how about a compromise: let's use the tiles logo on the portal, but fade in the book logo (using a CSS transition and a little JavaScript) when you hover over the Lithuanian link and fade in the English, Malagasy, and Russian textual logos when you hover over the respective links. We could even extend this solution to the wordmark, which is plain text. Since we lack a staging area for MediaWiki:Gadget-wm-portal.js, I'll wait until there's some support here before making such a change.

 – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 06:47, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

I've modified the page to swap in logos based on where you put your mouse. I found a way to do it in CSS, without any JavaScript. It works well in Firefox 27, Chrome 32, IE 11, Opera 12.16 (Presto rendering engine), and Opera 18 (Chromium). IE 6 shows the tiles logo only – no cross-fading – but otherwise looks fine. In Safari 7, the top 10 ring has a mildly annoying "winking" effect when you mouse over any of the links, but I don't think it's a dealbreaker.

Please try it out and let me know what you think. If you run into any problems, please indicate your browser and OS versions. I'll deploy the change in a few days if nothing big comes up.

 – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 12:57, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

I disagree with making the tile logo the "default" logo. Making it fade to the tile logo on hovering sounds fine, but having it in the center by default for all users doesn't make sense. Maybe it could base the starting version off navigator.language or similar, perhaps together with cookies remembering previously used links and/or searches to determine which logo to display? Also, besides for alternating the logo when a link is hovered over, it should probably also alternate based on what language is selected in the search box. --Yair rand (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback! (No seriously: the silence around here is deafening sometimes!) My rationale for making the tiles logo the default is that a clear majority of wikis use it, including a majority of the top 10 wikis, and the Foundation treats it as the project's main logo. Selecting a logo based on a cookie, navigator.language, or the search language requires JavaScript, which means it'll only kick in after a short delay. I think it'd be strange for the logo to start out as tiles but change to, say, a book after half a second without the user doing anything. It'd be the same kind of animation a company does when they want to publicize their recent logo change. ("New look, same great taste!")
Ideally, if the Foundation were willing to implement server-side rules based on the Accept-Language header, we could just redirect straight to the appropriate wiki (or at least show a different portal based on the language). But this is what we're stuck with for now.
Maybe it was a mistake for me to rely on CSS. We could instead use JavaScript to display the image in the first place. I didn't want to discriminate against users who were unable to load the JavaScript for whatever reason. (After all, I just noticed that the script has been broken in IE 6 since August.) But with JavaScript, we could also avoid downloading all three logos if the user never needs them all. It'll still be kind of strange that the logo doesn't fade in for a moment after loading the page, but I guess we can live with that.
It's awful that we even have multiple logos to choose between after all these years. I can certainly understand that a user of the English Wiktionary would never want to see tiles, even briefly, but we've been running up against technical limitations. These portals are operating in a surprisingly low-tech environment, considering how prominent they are.
 – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 05:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
OK, now the English Wiktionary's logo fades in as soon as the script detects that you've specified English in your language preferences or you've manually set the search language to English. (Same with all the other wikis with 10,000 entries or more.) The script is cached, so you won't see the tiles logo even briefly on subsequent visits. I guess the vast majority of users will continue to see the English Wiktionary's logo. So much for language neutrality, but it's a compromise I can live with. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 06:36, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Great. The script seems to be working well. --Yair rand (talk) 21:45, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, very nice. PiRSquared17 (talk) 00:17, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done There was no objection here to the proposed changes after a week, so I've pushed the changes live. (Until the server cache and browser cache both clear out, you can append ?1 to the URL to see the new portal.) At the English Wiktionary, where I also proposed these changes, most of the skeptical reaction had to do with the state of Wiktionary's logos, rather than with the general approach to accommodating them. We can continue to work towards resolving the current stalemate, but the portal is no longer beholden to it. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 11:56, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Autonym font[edit]

Please see my proposal for enabling the new Autonym font as a fallback font here. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 05:37, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Updating[edit]

Hello. I wonder why wikt Spanish is not part of the upper circle, since it now has more articles than several of the languages in that circle. Perhaps it needs to wait a bit longer? Thanks, --Edgefield (talk) 05:50, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, the languages in the upper circle are determined by traffic to the site, not by number of entries. --Yair rand (talk) 06:44, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
I think Mxn would know for sure. There was a big discussion about the metric used at some point, at least for the Wikipedia portal. --MZMcBride (talk) 07:18, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
There was for the Wikipedia portal, but as far as I could tell, there wasn't consensus about using the site visitors metric for any other portal. So this page still does it by article count. I wouldn't be against switching to visitor count here, seeing as Wiktionary is more prone to bot-driven article inflation than any other family of wikis. (In case you're wondering, Malagasy would be nowhere near the top.) In any case, I've updated the portal to put Spanish in the top 10 ring. Thanks for the heads-up! – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 07:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! --Edgefield (talk) 04:12, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Huh, apparently someone also changed the Wikibooks portal to use page views a couple years ago without much discussion, and no one noticed. I suppose we should keep it that way until someone complains. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 14:59, 26 November 2013 (UTC)