Communication Projects Group/Meetings/2007-07-03

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(03-07-2007 21:28:25)< cary_in_meeting > let's poke the channel
(03-07-2007 21:28:32)< Open_Research > hello sean
(03-07-2007 21:28:34)< Wiki_Blue > okay. its 4;30
(03-07-2007 21:28:37)< Wiki_Blue > everyone ready?
(03-07-2007 21:28:43)           * schiste is in the starting block
(03-07-2007 21:28:44)< Mike_Halterman > Anyone have a Pepcid? :(
(03-07-2007 21:29:24)<   schiste > Let's get the meeting started
(03-07-2007 21:29:46)< cary_in_meeting > CraigSpurrier_aw martinp23 newmanbe  Platonides  sebmol
(03-07-2007 21:29:52)<  newmanbe > ACK
(03-07-2007 21:29:53)< cary_in_meeting > The rest of the channel
(03-07-2007 21:30:02)<    sebmol > yes_
(03-07-2007 21:30:05)< Wiki_Blue > who wants to go first?
(03-07-2007 21:30:06)< martinp23 > yes
(03-07-2007 21:30:07)< martinp23 > logging
(03-07-2007 21:30:17)< cary_in_meeting > Let's introduce Open_Research
(03-07-2007 21:30:32)< Open_Research > hello
(03-07-2007 21:30:55)< Wiki_Blue > hey open..maybe you can tell us a bit about the academic proejct
(03-07-2007 21:30:58)< Wiki_Blue > and the other one if you want
(03-07-2007 21:30:58)< Open_Research > i'm an academic from the UK - just submited proposal to use wiki..
(03-07-2007 21:31:17)< Open_Research > yes it is a proposal to involve academics from...
(03-07-2007 21:31:20)Pathoschild > [n=Pathosch@wikimedia/Pathoschild] has joined #wikimedia-cpg
(03-07-2007 21:31:26)< Open_Research > 15-20 universities around the uk
(03-07-2007 21:31:31)< Mike_Halterman > What kind of academic, if I may ask?
(03-07-2007 21:31:32)< Open_Research > in wikiversity
(03-07-2007 21:31:50)< Open_Research > was engineer, lots of science journalism, then phd in scinec policy
(03-07-2007 21:31:55)< Mike_Halterman > Impressive.
(03-07-2007 21:32:01)< Open_Research > now specialise in scinece commnicaitopn
(03-07-2007 21:32:04)< Open_Research > but cannot type
(03-07-2007 21:32:08)< Wiki_Blue > thats awesome.  and you guys are applying to grants?
(03-07-2007 21:32:12)< Wiki_Blue > right?
(03-07-2007 21:32:23)< Open_Research > just starting the process
(03-07-2007 21:32:30)< Open_Research > but started with rather big proposal
(03-07-2007 21:32:35)< Open_Research > for a national network
(03-07-2007 21:32:38)< Open_Research > !
(03-07-2007 21:32:47)<   schiste > Open_Research: could you send me a mail esplained what is your projetc etc... ?
(03-07-2007 21:32:54)           * cary_in_meeting says aside, "The foundation can use experienced grant writers to help out in the future" 
(03-07-2007 21:32:59)< Open_Research > yes, i have been writing summary tody
(03-07-2007 21:33:07)< Open_Research > wow
(03-07-2007 21:33:10)<   schiste > We are organising a "Wikipedia Academy" on this very topic
(03-07-2007 21:33:11)< Open_Research > thank you thats brill
(03-07-2007 21:33:20)    Shanel > [i=82716fd2@wikimedia/Shanel] has joined #wikimedia-cpg
(03-07-2007 21:33:25)< Wiki_Blue > and lord knows, we really could use press from this
(03-07-2007 21:33:44)< Open_Research > yes -  the competition is very fierce
(03-07-2007 21:33:53)<   schiste > Wiki_Blue:  yes
(03-07-2007 21:33:53)< Open_Research > we have been shortlisted down to 2 propsals
(03-07-2007 21:34:02)< Mike_Halterman > Wiki_Blue: I messed up the code, you have a call on Park 66.
(03-07-2007 21:34:03)< Open_Research > the competitor is partnering with BBC
(03-07-2007 21:34:04)<   schiste > I was thinking about that
(03-07-2007 21:34:10)<     seanw > Hey all./
(03-07-2007 21:34:12)           * seanw is alive.
(03-07-2007 21:34:14)< Open_Research > hello
(03-07-2007 21:34:18)<     seanw > Have we started? Sorry I'm late.
(03-07-2007 21:34:18)< cary_in_meeting > our faithful leader!
(03-07-2007 21:34:23)< Open_Research > what is wikipedia academy?
(03-07-2007 21:34:25)<     seanw > cary_in_meeting, bow down, now :P
(03-07-2007 21:34:33)<   schiste > Open_Research: a conference
(03-07-2007 21:34:43)< Open_Research > a virtual one?
(03-07-2007 21:34:45)<   schiste > no
(03-07-2007 21:34:47)<   schiste > real one
(03-07-2007 21:34:49)< Open_Research > ah...
(03-07-2007 21:34:54)< Open_Research > thats interesting
(03-07-2007 21:34:58)< Open_Research > when is it?
(03-07-2007 21:35:03)<   schiste > October
(03-07-2007 21:35:05)<     seanw > Okay guys, we didn't actually do an agenda.
(03-07-2007 21:35:07)< Open_Research > fantastic
(03-07-2007 21:35:14)< Open_Research > i'm excited!
(03-07-2007 21:35:15)<     seanw > if you could all list topics we need to discuss now, while I look at my away log...
(03-07-2007 21:35:17)<   schiste > Just mail me at christophe DOT henner AT wikimedia THEPOINT fr
(03-07-2007 21:35:28)<     seanw > cary_in_meeting, and stop gloting, I can't go to wikimania :(
(03-07-2007 21:35:40)< Mike_Halterman > I just want to throw out there that in addition to creating and adding lots to the Florida press list
(03-07-2007 21:35:46)< cary_in_meeting > :(
(03-07-2007 21:35:55)< Mike_Halterman > I called nearly all of the CBC TV affiliates in Canada, and all the information has been placed in the Canada press list.
(03-07-2007 21:35:57)<   schiste > seanw:  is WM UK helping Open_Research ?
(03-07-2007 21:36:08)< Mike_Halterman > I was not able to send that email out yet, but I figured I'd let you know now.
(03-07-2007 21:36:10)<     seanw > schiste, nothing particular that I'm aware of.
(03-07-2007 21:36:17)<     seanw > But can we stop chatting and list some agenda topics please? :-)
(03-07-2007 21:36:28)< Mike_Halterman > seanw: Did you read what I typed, or not?
(03-07-2007 21:36:49)<     seanw > Ah yes
(03-07-2007 21:36:56)<     seanw > Sorry, all you unidentified people appear in red to me ;)
(03-07-2007 21:37:24)< cary_in_meeting > seanw: We're discussing Open_Research 's research project
(03-07-2007 21:37:34)<     seanw > Well let's make that item number one.
(03-07-2007 21:37:43)<     seanw > But before we do, in order to work out times, what else do we have to discuss.
(03-07-2007 21:37:46)<     seanw > ?
(03-07-2007 21:37:52)< Open_Research > sounds good
(03-07-2007 21:38:26)<     seanw > Okay, nothing, then :-)
(03-07-2007 21:38:30)<     seanw > Can we have a call of who is here?
(03-07-2007 21:38:32)< Wiki_Blue > hey guys
(03-07-2007 21:38:34)<     seanw > [20:36:37] [@ChanServ       ] [ CraigSpurrier_aw] [ Mike_Halterman] [ Pathoschild] [ seanw ] [ SWATJester]
(03-07-2007 21:38:37)<     seanw > [20:36:37] [ cary_in_meeting] [ martinp23       ] [ newmanbe      ] [ Platonides ] [ sebmol] [ Wiki_Blue ]
(03-07-2007 21:38:40)<     seanw > [20:36:37] [ Cbrown1023     ] [ Mike_H          ] [ Open_Research ] [ schiste    ] [ Shanel]
(03-07-2007 21:38:43)< Open_Research > hey
(03-07-2007 21:38:48)<     seanw > Wiki_Blue, ah, hey Sandy, do you have any issues you want to raise? We're forming an agenda.
(03-07-2007 21:38:59)< Wiki_Blue > yes. just very quickly from my part
(03-07-2007 21:39:01)           * schiste sighs 
(03-07-2007 21:39:07)<     seanw > Okay, want to go first then Sandy?
(03-07-2007 21:39:11)<     seanw > (since it's quick)
(03-07-2007 21:39:17)< Wiki_Blue > i know everyone is busy, but please start adding to projects on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communication_Projects_Group/On-going_projects
(03-07-2007 21:39:35)< Wiki_Blue > and the wikimania email, would like to finalize it in next week to send to wikimania people
(03-07-2007 21:39:44)< Wiki_Blue > so i think schiste, you volunteered to help, right?
(03-07-2007 21:39:54)< Mike_Halterman > Regrettably, I won't be able to go, since I have no money for anything.
(03-07-2007 21:39:56)<     seanw > Ah, very good idea on that projects page Sandy
(03-07-2007 21:39:57)< Wiki_Blue > and last thing....production company is working on Media Training video
(03-07-2007 21:40:06)< Wiki_Blue > meeting with them on friday
(03-07-2007 21:40:09)           * Pathoschild pokes CPG for not categorizing pages or using navigation.
(03-07-2007 21:40:09)<   schiste > Wiki_Blue:  yes
(03-07-2007 21:40:14)< Wiki_Blue > and once that is done, going full force with Wikimedia TV
(03-07-2007 21:40:29)< Wiki_Blue > (i;ll make a draft schiste, and send to you to fill ind etails
(03-07-2007 21:40:32)<     seanw > Pathoschild, we are teh lazy
(03-07-2007 21:40:33)< Wiki_Blue > thats all)
(03-07-2007 21:40:35)< Pathoschi > :p
(03-07-2007 21:40:48)<     seanw > Mike_Halterman, same, we all want to go :(
(03-07-2007 21:40:55)<    Shanel > Pathoschild, fix it.
(03-07-2007 21:41:02)< Open_Research > when does a project become a CPG project?
(03-07-2007 21:41:04)<   schiste > Wiki_Blue:  ok
(03-07-2007 21:41:05)< Mike_Halterman > Pathoschild: I think at this point, actually creating the pages is most important.
(03-07-2007 21:41:07)< Wiki_Blue > when we work on it
(03-07-2007 21:41:09)< Mike_Halterman > Organization of them can come later.
(03-07-2007 21:41:15)< Wiki_Blue > or it ssomething you want the Comproj to work on
(03-07-2007 21:41:24)< Wiki_Blue > like Florence, BTW, emailed us today
(03-07-2007 21:41:26)<     seanw > Right, then, do we have any other small issues, or do we move on to Open_Research, our new member? :_)
(03-07-2007 21:41:31)< Wiki_Blue > is anyone interested in helping with her project?
(03-07-2007 21:41:31)< cary_in_meeting > Open_Research: Everything is a CPG project when we discuss it
(03-07-2007 21:41:35)<     seanw > Wiki_Blue, I responded to her privately taking the posters bit
(03-07-2007 21:41:41)< Wiki_Blue > okay coolio
(03-07-2007 21:41:43)< cary_in_meeting > Agenda Item: Bloom clock on Wikiversity
(03-07-2007 21:41:50)< Wiki_Blue > done
(03-07-2007 21:41:55)<     seanw > What's that?
(03-07-2007 21:42:08)<   schiste > Wiki_Blue:  yes
(03-07-2007 21:42:17)<   schiste > But imo, WM UK should get involved in this
(03-07-2007 21:42:25)< cary_in_meeting > "The Bloom Clock Project is an attempt to create a language for discussing the bloom times of wildflowers and other plants that is neutral in respect to climate, region, and hemisphere. This language will take a few years to develop as it depends on a large pool of data."
(03-07-2007 21:42:36)< cary_in_meeting > That's one thing
(03-07-2007 21:42:42)< Mike_Halterman > I'm sorry, a language?
(03-07-2007 21:42:46)< Mike_Halterman > Other than English?
(03-07-2007 21:42:59)< cary_in_meeting > Agenda Item: Wikimedia Pennsyvlania chapter forming
(03-07-2007 21:43:36)< Mike_Halterman > If a Wikimedia Florida chapter formed, would that be a conflict of interest between it and the Foundation office itself?
(03-07-2007 21:43:54)< cary_in_meeting > We'll discuss that when we get to that item
(03-07-2007 21:44:12)< cary_in_meeting > seanw: We're still doing the agenda, right?
(03-07-2007 21:44:16)< Wiki_Blue > yes sir
(03-07-2007 21:44:21)< Mike_Halterman > You have to excuse me, this is my first meeting. I'm not aware of how it runs.
(03-07-2007 21:44:29)<     seanw > Yeah
(03-07-2007 21:44:36)<     seanw > Sorry, we're aiming to do little things first before bug things.
(03-07-2007 21:44:42)<     seanw > Do we have any otehr little things or can we move on?
(03-07-2007 21:44:46)< cary_in_meeting > Agenda item: Reaching out to seniors
(03-07-2007 21:44:47)<     seanw > 5...4...
(03-07-2007 21:44:49)< cary_in_meeting > that's it for me
(03-07-2007 21:44:55)<     seanw > 3...2...
(03-07-2007 21:44:56)<     seanw > 1...
(03-07-2007 21:45:12)<     seanw > So we have cary's issue there, and Mike H wrt chapters, and Open_Research.
(03-07-2007 21:45:16)<     seanw > Kay?
(03-07-2007 21:45:22)<   schiste > yeah
(03-07-2007 21:45:22)< Wiki_Blue > kay
(03-07-2007 21:45:24)<     seanw > And apologies to all for not doing an agenda beforehand/.
(03-07-2007 21:45:28)< Mike_Halterman > What is wrt?
(03-07-2007 21:45:29)<   schiste > ;D
(03-07-2007 21:45:34)<     seanw > Mike_Halterman, with regard to
(03-07-2007 21:45:35)<   schiste > with*
(03-07-2007 21:45:43)<     seanw > soz
(03-07-2007 21:45:45)< cary_in_meeting > I have three items but anyway :)
(03-07-2007 21:45:55)<     seanw > Kay, let#s give teh floor to cary.
(03-07-2007 21:46:08)<     seanw > Go ahead.
(03-07-2007 21:46:10)<     seanw > :)
(03-07-2007 21:46:12)< cary_in_meeting > Wait, are we done with Open_Research ?
(03-07-2007 21:46:24)<     seanw > cary_in_meeting, that;s last
(03-07-2007 21:46:36)< cary_in_meeting > Okay :)
(03-07-2007 21:46:38)<     seanw > Open_Research, if you're pokay with waiting, I thought we'd put you alst as it's the longest I think :)
(03-07-2007 21:46:45)< Open_Research > s fine
(03-07-2007 21:46:49)< Open_Research > :-)
(03-07-2007 21:47:02)< cary_in_meeting > Bloom clock is a joint project.  It's probably the biggest item on Wikiversity
(03-07-2007 21:47:31)< cary_in_meeting > It's a worldwide research project, whereon anyone can add information
(03-07-2007 21:48:08)<     seanw > Cool.
(03-07-2007 21:48:11)< cary_in_meeting > I am trying to get the word out there so more people can become involved
(03-07-2007 21:48:19)< cary_in_meeting > Notably worldwide
(03-07-2007 21:48:27)< Open_Research > right i can post a release to AlphaGalileo
(03-07-2007 21:48:31)< Cbrown1023 > like original research? :)
(03-07-2007 21:48:33)< Open_Research > is there some new event to report?
(03-07-2007 21:48:39)< cary_in_meeting > Cbrown1023: Original Research has its place!
(03-07-2007 21:48:42)<     seanw > Cbrown1023, remmeber that is a Wikipedia thing.
(03-07-2007 21:48:43)< cary_in_meeting > Just not in Wikipedia ;)
(03-07-2007 21:48:55)< cary_in_meeting > http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Bloom_clock_project is the link
(03-07-2007 21:48:56)< martinp23 > Cbrown1023: OR is essential to Wikinews, too :)
(03-07-2007 21:49:00)< Cbrown1023 > seanw, I know :) but most other places, they don't like it either :-P
(03-07-2007 21:49:04)<     seanw > cary_in_meeting, how do you think comproj can be involved with this?
(03-07-2007 21:49:06)< martinp23 > And a Good Thing :)
(03-07-2007 21:49:09)< Cbrown1023 > yeah, they *love* OR at WN
(03-07-2007 21:49:20)<    Shanel > Is Oringinal Research the cousin of Open_Research?
(03-07-2007 21:49:28)< Open_Research > lol
(03-07-2007 21:49:30)< cary_in_meeting > seanw: Ultimately we'd like this to be a starting place for a lot of users
(03-07-2007 21:49:35)< cary_in_meeting > but it needs to grow and forment
(03-07-2007 21:49:36)< cary_in_meeting > fomet
(03-07-2007 21:49:37)< cary_in_meeting > foment
(03-07-2007 21:49:42)<     seanw > ferment?
(03-07-2007 21:49:46)           * schiste stabs Shanel
(03-07-2007 21:49:54)< Cbrown1023 > it needs to bloom?
(03-07-2007 21:50:01)<    Shanel > Don't you stab me, cabbage stealer.
(03-07-2007 21:50:04)Topic for #wikimedia-cpg: Wikimedia Communication Projects Group | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ComProj | Meetings are now being held on an irregular basis. | Note: Channel logs will be public
(03-07-2007 21:50:04)Topic set by Pathoschild [] [Tue Jul  3 20:27:59 2007]
(03-07-2007 21:50:04)< cary_in_meeting > And active Wikimedians can help
(03-07-2007 21:50:08)BrianNewZealand > [n=bcandert@wikinews/Brian-New-Zealand] has joined #wikimedia-cpg
(03-07-2007 21:50:08)           * Pathoschild cries woe and avenges Shanel.
(03-07-2007 21:50:14)<     seanw > Hey BrianNewZealand
(03-07-2007 21:50:17)<    Shanel > Yay. :D
(03-07-2007 21:50:19)< cary_in_meeting > And we should encourage participation cross-project
(03-07-2007 21:50:27)   Adambro > [n=Adambro@wikipedia/Adambro] has joined #wikimedia-cpg
(03-07-2007 21:50:28)< Open_Research > cross-pollenation
(03-07-2007 21:50:30) Markie996 > [i=Markie@host86-136-172-90.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #wikimedia-cpg
(03-07-2007 21:50:35)<    Shanel > hehe
(03-07-2007 21:50:41)   brianmc > [n=brianmc@wikinews/brianmc] has joined #wikimedia-cpg
(03-07-2007 21:50:45)<     seanw > Wow
(03-07-2007 21:50:47)<     seanw > Lots of people.
(03-07-2007 21:50:52)<     seanw > Is someone advertising elsewhere?
(03-07-2007 21:50:52)< cary_in_meeting > As well as try to figure out where the best places to notify people
(03-07-2007 21:50:57)< Platonides > who has spammed this channel?
(03-07-2007 21:51:00)< cary_in_meeting > I should get Johnny in here
(03-07-2007 21:51:28)< cary_in_meeting > I imagine this happened in #wikinews
(03-07-2007 21:51:32)<     seanw >  /q cary_in_meeting
(03-07-2007 21:51:34)< cary_in_meeting > Judging by who is here
(03-07-2007 21:51:35)<     seanw > Whoops.
(03-07-2007 21:51:43)< Cbrown1023 > sorry, cary-in-meeting, I stabbed Johnny
(03-07-2007 21:51:44)< cary_in_meeting > sekret talk
(03-07-2007 21:51:45)< Cbrown1023 > he won't come
(03-07-2007 21:51:57)<   brianmc > Seanw it was mentioned in #wikinews, we're talking about buying a domain for accredited reporters to get email addresses on.
(03-07-2007 21:52:07)    Mike_H x [n=jmhalter@187-198.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit irc [Nick collision from services.]
(03-07-2007 21:52:12)Mike_Halte = Mike_H
(03-07-2007 21:52:14)<     seanw > brianmc, we'll come to that shorttly.
(03-07-2007 21:52:19)<   brianmc > :)
(03-07-2007 21:52:26)< cary_in_meeting > So is there any feedback?
(03-07-2007 21:52:30)< cary_in_meeting > Or shall I move on
(03-07-2007 21:52:52)< Open_Research > it sounds like the plants postcode database
(03-07-2007 21:52:57)< Open_Research > people in the UK would be interested
(03-07-2007 21:53:04)< cary_in_meeting > I'll send a note about that to the list
(03-07-2007 21:53:08)<     seanw > Right.
(03-07-2007 21:53:10)<    Mike_H > Cary, I'm sorry, I don't know enough about it to make any comments.
(03-07-2007 21:53:18)<     seanw > I think this is exactly what ComProj should be doing, so great.
(03-07-2007 21:53:20)< cary_in_meeting > Open_Research: yes, the British are constant gardeners
(03-07-2007 21:53:38)< Open_Research > #wikimedia
(03-07-2007 21:53:38)< Open_Research > #wikimedia
(03-07-2007 21:53:38)< Open_Research > http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/life/plants-fungi/postcode-plants/
(03-07-2007 21:53:41)< Cbrown1023 > well, cary, it does look very interesting, but isn't /my/ cup of tea
(03-07-2007 21:53:51)< cary_in_meeting > that's okay...but this is about getting the word out
(03-07-2007 21:53:53)<     seanw > Okay, to move on?
(03-07-2007 21:53:56)<    Mike_H > Sandy, call on Park 66
(03-07-2007 21:54:00)< cary_in_meeting > Next item
(03-07-2007 21:54:18)<     seanw > Right
(03-07-2007 21:54:19)< cary_in_meeting > Wikimedia PA
(03-07-2007 21:54:25)<     seanw > Hang on.
(03-07-2007 21:54:29)< cary_in_meeting > ...
(03-07-2007 21:54:32)< Cbrown1023 > hehe
(03-07-2007 21:54:33)           * Cbrown1023 is in that
(03-07-2007 21:54:40)<     seanw > Mike_H, your turn.
(03-07-2007 21:54:40)< Cbrown1023 > 9well... an interested party)
(03-07-2007 21:54:53)<     seanw > Mike_H, go ahead :)
(03-07-2007 21:55:04)<    Mike_H > Oh, I just had that one question
(03-07-2007 21:55:08)<    Mike_H > let me scroll and find it
(03-07-2007 21:55:29)<    Mike_H > <Mike_Halterman> If a Wikimedia Florida chapter formed, would that be a conflict of interest between it and the Foundation office itself?
(03-07-2007 21:55:57)< cary_in_meeting > Okay, usually I present the item and then questions
(03-07-2007 21:56:01)< cary_in_meeting > but sure
(03-07-2007 21:56:14)< cary_in_meeting > I don't think it would be a conflict
(03-07-2007 21:56:21)           * schiste laughs
(03-07-2007 21:56:32)<   schiste > Let's see when WM PA will be created
(03-07-2007 21:56:33)<    Mike_H > seanw: Please keep in mind that I don't know how these meetings are done AT ALL, so if there is a procedure and I'm violating it, don't...let me.
(03-07-2007 21:56:38)           * Cbrown1023 wants a whole WM-US and then sub-com... but that's a different story
(03-07-2007 21:56:42)<     seanw > Mike_H, sure, np.
(03-07-2007 21:56:43)< Open_Research > there is only one chapter in UK - will there be more?
(03-07-2007 21:56:50)<     seanw > Open_Research, highly unlikely.
(03-07-2007 21:56:55)< cary_in_meeting > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Pennsylvania
(03-07-2007 21:57:01)           * SWATJester would like to help start Wikimedia D.C.
(03-07-2007 21:57:04)<   schiste > Well let WM UK get started
(03-07-2007 21:57:05)< cary_in_meeting > Open_Research: Maybe in Scotland or wales
(03-07-2007 21:57:05)< martinp23 > Hopefully that can get fully up and running soon
(03-07-2007 21:57:07)<   schiste > HEY
(03-07-2007 21:57:11)< cary_in_meeting > Dependant on what the needs are
(03-07-2007 21:57:20)<   schiste > About chapters, and creation etc... ChapCOm
(03-07-2007 21:57:22)< cary_in_meeting > But WM-PA will focus on localised efforts
(03-07-2007 21:57:24)< cary_in_meeting > with colleges
(03-07-2007 21:57:25)< cary_in_meeting > libraries
(03-07-2007 21:57:37)< cary_in_meeting > other groups in order to encourage Wikimedia related activitieis
(03-07-2007 21:57:43)< Cbrown1023 > ChapterCom is found at #wikimedia-chapters
(03-07-2007 21:57:44)<     seanw > Okay.
(03-07-2007 21:57:45)< cary_in_meeting > So CPG needs to help get the word out about this
(03-07-2007 21:57:46)<    Mike_H > My concern is...is Pennsylvania really that much of a hub in terms of Wikipedia traffic that a small chapter like this is going to be worthwhile?
(03-07-2007 21:57:57)< Cbrown1023 > Mike_H: I agree
(03-07-2007 21:58:03)< Cbrown1023 > that's why I want a bigger chapter
(03-07-2007 21:58:07)<   schiste > Mike_H: ok this discussion should not held here :)
(03-07-2007 21:58:08)< Cbrown1023 > like Eastern US or something
(03-07-2007 21:58:13)< SWATJester > Are there any other american chapters yet anyway?
(03-07-2007 21:58:14)< Cbrown1023 > but... that's a diff story
(03-07-2007 21:58:15)<    Mike_H > I had mentioned before, maybe splitting it up into regions
(03-07-2007 21:58:15)< cary_in_meeting > Read the proposed by-laws and get some understanding
(03-07-2007 21:58:16)<   schiste > Mike_H: will be there in 1/2 hours
(03-07-2007 21:58:16)< Cbrown1023 > :)
(03-07-2007 21:58:19)<    Mike_H > oh, not even that broad
(03-07-2007 21:58:19)< Cbrown1023 > SwatJester: no
(03-07-2007 21:58:21)< cary_in_meeting > as to the intent and purpose
(03-07-2007 21:58:23)<    Mike_H > like New England
(03-07-2007 21:58:29)< SWATJester > Cbrown1023 then its a net benefit in the end anyway
(03-07-2007 21:58:30)< Cbrown1023 > SWATJester: we've been working on it for a while, but no
(03-07-2007 21:58:31)<    Mike_H > like the South
(03-07-2007 21:58:35)<    Mike_H > like the Midwest
(03-07-2007 21:58:36)<    Mike_H > etc.
(03-07-2007 21:58:36)<   schiste > STOP
(03-07-2007 21:58:37)< cary_in_meeting > Chapters may have different purposes anyway
(03-07-2007 21:58:39)< SWATJester > even if I'd prefer it in a better place.
(03-07-2007 21:58:40)< Cbrown1023 > back on topic :)
(03-07-2007 21:58:43)<   schiste > This doesn't concern CPG
(03-07-2007 21:58:46)           * Cbrown1023 points to cary
(03-07-2007 21:58:48)<   schiste > as far as I know
(03-07-2007 21:58:50)< cary_in_meeting > But this is really not the topic
(03-07-2007 21:58:59)< SWATJester > 04:41 cary_in_meeting Open_Research: Everything is a CPG project when we discuss it
(03-07-2007 21:59:05)<   schiste > Mike_H: if you still there in two hours, let's talk about it
(03-07-2007 21:59:08)< SWATJester > ;)
(03-07-2007 21:59:10)<   schiste > but not now
(03-07-2007 21:59:11)<     seanw > Guys, listen to Cary.
(03-07-2007 21:59:24)<     seanw > I think we've cvovered ComProj stuff here. Let's move to the next issue?
(03-07-2007 21:59:25)           * Cbrown1023 pioints to 	* Cbrown1023	points to cary
(03-07-2007 21:59:30)< Cbrown1023 > agreed
(03-07-2007 21:59:33)< cary_in_meeting > Seniors
(03-07-2007 21:59:51)< Cbrown1023 > ...
(03-07-2007 21:59:52)< cary_in_meeting > this is something that I brought up some time ago...
(03-07-2007 21:59:55)< Cbrown1023 > you do have a good point
(03-07-2007 21:59:57)<     seanw > Okay, go with seniors. (after that is Martin & Wikinews, then Open_R)
(03-07-2007 22:00:03)< Cbrown1023 > seniors are retired... plenty of time to contribute
(03-07-2007 22:00:10)< cary_in_meeting > I think it's important that we reach out to Senior
(03-07-2007 22:00:14)< Cbrown1023 > but how do we communicate to /them/ individually
(03-07-2007 22:00:14)< cary_in_meeting > The senior population
(03-07-2007 22:00:26)<   schiste > associations
(03-07-2007 22:00:36)<     seanw > Do we have them on our presslist?
(03-07-2007 22:00:39)< cary_in_meeting > Cbrown1023: My feeling is that we start by identifying who is already involved
(03-07-2007 22:00:41)<   schiste > no
(03-07-2007 22:00:52)< cary_in_meeting > and then work on concerns
(03-07-2007 22:01:01)<    Mike_H > Who would we even ask to be on the press list? AARP magazine? (Said with all seriousness.)
(03-07-2007 22:01:05)< Cbrown1023 > cary_in_meeting: yes, I think sometimes, we might be best to have a survey in user prefs for questions like that
(03-07-2007 22:01:12)< cary_in_meeting > And then identify organizations who can help us get the word out
(03-07-2007 22:01:15)<   schiste > yes
(03-07-2007 22:01:16)< cary_in_meeting > AARP magazine is a big yes
(03-07-2007 22:01:17)< Cbrown1023 > but.... some people may not wish to identify as seniors
(03-07-2007 22:01:23)< Cbrown1023 > for the same reason some do not wish to identify as youths
(03-07-2007 22:01:35)<     seanw > Cbrown1023, they wouldn't ahvbe to.
(03-07-2007 22:01:39)<     seanw > Read an article, decide to sign up.
(03-07-2007 22:01:44)< SWATJester > local chapters could contact their local senior organizations.
(03-07-2007 22:01:45)<    Mike_H > Their age would do the identifying for them, wouldn't it?
(03-07-2007 22:01:46)< cary_in_meeting > Cbrown1023: But [[Category:Senior wikipedians]] might be a good place to start (if it exists)
(03-07-2007 22:01:52)           * Cbrown1023 checks
(03-07-2007 22:02:21)< Cbrown1023 > :(
(03-07-2007 22:02:22)<     seanw > This is a good project.
(03-07-2007 22:02:31)<     seanw > Would someone like to take point on it? Cbrown1023?
(03-07-2007 22:02:42)<     seanw > I think assigning leaders to stuff gets it done 8
(03-07-2007 22:02:42)<     seanw > )
(03-07-2007 22:02:44)< Cbrown1023 > hmm?
(03-07-2007 22:02:45)<    Mike_H > Wiki_Blue: I sent you a message.
(03-07-2007 22:02:45)< cary_in_meeting > Cbrown1023: There may be something to that effect
(03-07-2007 22:02:46)< SWATJester > What definition of senior: 55? 65?
(03-07-2007 22:02:56)<   schiste > [23:02:41] <seanw> I think assigning leaders to stuff gets it done 8> agrees
(03-07-2007 22:02:57)< cary_in_meeting > SWATJester: I think we start with the AARP definition
(03-07-2007 22:02:58)<     seanw > Cbrown1023, take point == lead
(03-07-2007 22:02:59)<    Mike_H > SWATJester: The AARP definition of senior is...55, isn't it?
(03-07-2007 22:03:00)< Cbrown1023 > 55 and up probably
(03-07-2007 22:03:00)< cary_in_meeting > 50 +
(03-07-2007 22:03:09)<   schiste > 30+
(03-07-2007 22:03:18)<  newmanbe > 0+
(03-07-2007 22:03:21)< Wiki_Blue > dear lord, I'm a senior!
(03-07-2007 22:03:21)           * cary_in_meeting stabs schiste 
(03-07-2007 22:03:26)<   schiste > heh
(03-07-2007 22:03:32)< cary_in_meeting > That's it for me.  then
(03-07-2007 22:03:37)< Cbrown1023 > lol
(03-07-2007 22:03:37)< Wiki_Blue > (wiki blue winks)
(03-07-2007 22:03:47)< cary_in_meeting > other than the fact that I think this is really productive meeting
(03-07-2007 22:03:49)<   schiste > got to go
(03-07-2007 22:03:55)< SWATJester > cary_in_meeting and Mike_H: hell if I know. I always figured it was 65+ because of retirees
(03-07-2007 22:04:06)<   schiste > Open_Research:  please mail me at christophe THEDOT henner AT wikimedia THEDOT fr
(03-07-2007 22:04:11)<   schiste > I'm really interested :)
(03-07-2007 22:04:12)< Open_Research > okay
(03-07-2007 22:04:13)< Cbrown1023 > but some people retire early and late... and that gets confusing
(03-07-2007 22:04:15)< Open_Research > thank u
(03-07-2007 22:04:17)< SWATJester > shouldn't we be aiming at retirees instead of seniors (i.e. retirees by definition have time on their hands, where as seniors may work)?
(03-07-2007 22:04:17)< cary_in_meeting > When people "retire early" it's usually around 50-55
(03-07-2007 22:04:18)<   schiste > see you in few hours :)
(03-07-2007 22:04:41)< cary_in_meeting > SWATJester: I think we can coordinate our effort to both
(03-07-2007 22:04:44)<    Mike_H > I don't see seniors working being an undesirable trait.
(03-07-2007 22:04:52)< SWATJester > Just a thought.
(03-07-2007 22:04:57)<    Mike_H > If we're going by the AARP page, my father is a working senior, and he'd like that sort of thing.
(03-07-2007 22:05:01)< SWATJester > Mike_H Workers have less time, just my thought ;)
(03-07-2007 22:05:06)<    Mike_H > They have some time.
(03-07-2007 22:05:07)<     seanw > Right, Cbrown1023, are you willing to lead it?
(03-07-2007 22:05:10)<    Mike_H > We don't need 24/7 people.
(03-07-2007 22:05:10)< SWATJester > I think it's a great idea though.
(03-07-2007 22:05:14)< Cbrown1023 > seanw: sure :)
(03-07-2007 22:05:21)<     seanw > In that case, let's move on.
(03-07-2007 22:05:23)< SWATJester > speaking of work, I'm off, so I gotta go. catch you all on the flip side.
(03-07-2007 22:05:27)<     seanw > Cya SWATJester
(03-07-2007 22:05:28)< cary_in_meeting > thanks Dan
(03-07-2007 22:05:36)<     seanw > Next thing is to slip in with martinp23 and wikinews.
(03-07-2007 22:05:37)   Adambro = Adambro_
(03-07-2007 22:05:38)< Cbrown1023 > later, Swat
(03-07-2007 22:05:42)<     seanw > martinp23, go ahead.
(03-07-2007 22:05:45)< martinp23 > OK - thanks
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(03-07-2007 22:06:19)< martinp23 > I dropped a query in the #wikinews channel earlier, which led to quite a few joins here (can only bge a good thing :)).  
(03-07-2007 22:06:33)< martinp23 > That was whether local chapters could help with Wikinews accreditation
(03-07-2007 22:06:38)< martinp23 > A bit of background:
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(03-07-2007 22:07:05)< martinp23 > The Wikinews community issues some of its users with press papers, based on a short RfA-like vote on Wiki.
(03-07-2007 22:07:16)           * cary_in_meeting got accredited with Wikinews and then moved... 
(03-07-2007 22:07:22)< cary_in_meeting > Started a new job
(03-07-2007 22:07:25)<     seanw > Cbrown1023, offtopic! banhammer!
(03-07-2007 22:07:26)           * cary_in_meeting :X
(03-07-2007 22:07:29)<     seanw > cary_in_meeting, *
(03-07-2007 22:07:31)< martinp23 > The idea is that these press papers can let people get access to events as members of the press and so improve the Wiki.
(03-07-2007 22:07:36)< Cbrown1023 > [[Wikinews:Accredited reporters]] ?
(03-07-2007 22:07:40)< martinp23 > Yep
(03-07-2007 22:07:45)< Cbrown1023 > seanw: ?
(03-07-2007 22:07:50)< martinp23 > WN:AP too
(03-07-2007 22:07:51)<     seanw > Cbrown1023, sorry mishilight
(03-07-2007 22:07:55)< Cbrown1023 > lol
(03-07-2007 22:07:56)<   brianmc > They have in the past - we had one guy getting press access to Hockey games
(03-07-2007 22:07:57)< martinp23 > Where was I? :P
(03-07-2007 22:08:05)< Cbrown1023 > hehe
(03-07-2007 22:08:17)< Open_Research > what does 'access to events' mean?
(03-07-2007 22:08:24)< Open_Research > real events
(03-07-2007 22:08:25)< Open_Research > ?
(03-07-2007 22:08:27)< Cbrown1023 > some events are closed only to press
(03-07-2007 22:08:30)< Cbrown1023 > yes, real-life events
(03-07-2007 22:08:34)< Open_Research > ah
(03-07-2007 22:08:35)< Wiki_Blue > Press Passes
(03-07-2007 22:08:38)< DragonFire1024 > well police lines for one
(03-07-2007 22:08:52)< Cbrown1023 > like... the New York Times or the Guardian would get press access
(03-07-2007 22:08:55)<     seanw > This is pretty cool.
(03-07-2007 22:08:56)<   brianmc > Ah, DF can probably comment well on that.
(03-07-2007 22:09:09)< DragonFire1024 > I use my pass to go across police lines...
(03-07-2007 22:09:21)< Open_Research > i have NUJ status, its cool
(03-07-2007 22:09:23)< DragonFire1024 > interview politicians and record meetings etc
(03-07-2007 22:09:24)< martinp23 > These passes are, like I said, issued by the community.  The "big idea" is to have local chapters issue passes.
(03-07-2007 22:09:36)<     seanw > The benefit being?
(03-07-2007 22:09:37)< Cbrown1023 > seems like a good idea
(03-07-2007 22:09:40)< martinp23 > So rather than some pseudo-entity based in the US, we can have a local group.
(03-07-2007 22:09:47)< Open_Research > makes sense
(03-07-2007 22:09:59)< cary_in_meeting > Which gives a regional/state chapter even more rationale
(03-07-2007 22:10:07)< Cbrown1023 > yeah
(03-07-2007 22:10:08)< martinp23 > Local groups can register with the govt to get a ceratain trust level to be able to get into govt conferences and behind police lines (etc)
(03-07-2007 22:10:11)<   brianmc > My - half serious - suggestion was the "International Union of Wikinews Reporters" :)
(03-07-2007 22:10:14)           * Cbrown1023 likes how all of these tie together
(03-07-2007 22:10:24)< cary_in_meeting > synchronicity
(03-07-2007 22:10:28)< Cbrown1023 > hehe @ brianmc
(03-07-2007 22:10:43)< Open_Research > student journalists?
(03-07-2007 22:10:44)< martinp23 > Rules differ on the certification level requeired in different countries, so the benefit will be greater in some.
(03-07-2007 22:10:56)<    Mike_H > martinp23: I don't know, I'd be wary about letting just Joe Wikinewsie into government meetings.
(03-07-2007 22:11:15)<   brianmc > I'm screwed here in Belgium - you can't get a gov't pass unless you make money from journalism
(03-07-2007 22:11:16)< Cbrown1023 > Open_Research: there have been underage Accredited reporters on WN before
(03-07-2007 22:11:23)< DragonFire1024 > these are not "Just Joes" though
(03-07-2007 22:11:29)< martinp23 > Mike_H: Well, I'm thinking more of a link to govt press conferences.
(03-07-2007 22:11:33)< Open_Research > i was advocating
(03-07-2007 22:11:34)< cary_in_meeting > these are accredited Joes
(03-07-2007 22:11:47)< Cbrown1023 > hehe
(03-07-2007 22:12:03)< martinp23 > It would be great if we could have reporters in cabinet meetings and the like (when they're open) - Wikinews reporters really do have the same right to be there as those from other agencies.
(03-07-2007 22:12:13)< Cbrown1023 > yeah
(03-07-2007 22:12:17)< DragonFire1024 > yup
(03-07-2007 22:12:19)< martinp23 > It's just a shame we don't have the infrstructure.
(03-07-2007 22:12:19)< Wiki_Blue > well, i can help with this
(03-07-2007 22:12:26)<     seanw > Okay, this is a great idea.
(03-07-2007 22:12:28)< Wiki_Blue > draft letter, etc...I can def. help the only thing
(03-07-2007 22:12:30)<     seanw > So, how can comproj help?
(03-07-2007 22:12:39)<   brianmc > Open_Research: we had a bunch of people from Commons come across to get accreditation for photography, we were suspicious enough that they didn't get it. We do hold people to a high standard for this.
(03-07-2007 22:12:40)< Wiki_Blue > is that a system would have to be set in place to check people credentials
(03-07-2007 22:13:15)< cary_in_meeting > brianmc: Actually, two of us got it :)
(03-07-2007 22:13:16)< Cbrown1023 > much like the access to nonpublic data?
(03-07-2007 22:13:24)< Cbrown1023 > (but more in-depth background checking)
(03-07-2007 22:13:32)<   schiste > Access to event = Get in touch if the local chapters
(03-07-2007 22:13:36)<   schiste > they can help you
(03-07-2007 22:13:45)< Open_Research > i used to teach science journalism. my students sometimes had problems getting access - i thought that was a shame
(03-07-2007 22:13:46)<   schiste > Seeyou soon mates
(03-07-2007 22:13:51)< martinp23 > Yes - I think we could well be there to nudge the chapters into supporting this, and perhaps take a lead in our respective chapters.  I think some sort of identity check like OTRS (will) do would be needed indeed.
(03-07-2007 22:13:55)< cary_in_meeting > Gnight Christophe
(03-07-2007 22:13:58)<   brianmc > Wiki_Blue: I'm was proposing buying a domain so we have a more "serious" set of email addresses for our contributors.
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(03-07-2007 22:14:16)< Cbrown1023 > that seems to be a good idea
(03-07-2007 22:14:17)< Wiki_Blue > brianmc I am all for this...and can help set up a system
(03-07-2007 22:14:23)< Cbrown1023 > but that's just so they will *look* accredited :)
(03-07-2007 22:14:31)<   brianmc > exactly.
(03-07-2007 22:14:31)< Wiki_Blue > however, you guys have to decide how to decide if someone is "capable" of representing wikinews
(03-07-2007 22:14:40)< Wiki_Blue > one of the problems we'v eencountered
(03-07-2007 22:15:05)< Wiki_Blue > is balancing a way to  help the community, and weeding out the crazies
(03-07-2007 22:15:13)<   brianmc > That's what our accreditation process is for - and as amateur sleuths we're very suspicious of people who can't show some reputation.
(03-07-2007 22:15:25)< martinp23 > This just needs thrashing out into a proper system, and I think ComProj is the perfect group to do it. And I would suggest that the wikinewsies here may join the mailing list (see topic link to meta for a link to ml) to discuss it further (and on meta and WN)?
(03-07-2007 22:15:27)< Wiki_Blue > if you email me privately
(03-07-2007 22:15:30)< Wiki_Blue > i can start on this
(03-07-2007 22:15:54)< martinp23 > A big thing is made of the fact that Wikinews reporters aren't affiliated (etc)
(03-07-2007 22:15:57)< Wiki_Blue > (BTW, did you see wikinews coverage they got with Benoit)
(03-07-2007 22:16:01)< Wiki_Blue > you have to thank jimmy , cary and sue for this)
(03-07-2007 22:16:32)<   brianmc > Wiki_Blue:  I helped brief Jimbo before he went on Fox.
(03-07-2007 22:16:33)<     seanw > Wiki_Blue, the problem with that (mailing privately) is that wires can get crossed :)
(03-07-2007 22:16:38)<     seanw > I would suggest we use the comproj mailing list.
(03-07-2007 22:16:47)< DragonFire1024 > I published the initial article
(03-07-2007 22:17:00)< cary_in_meeting > *I* called the authorities
(03-07-2007 22:17:10)<     seanw > I I I me me me self self self
(03-07-2007 22:17:11)< DragonFire1024 > :)
(03-07-2007 22:17:21)< Wiki_Blue > no, i don't mean don't share it with comproj...but I need the details of what is needed and wikinews, to make plan to present to board
(03-07-2007 22:17:25)< Markie996 > heheh ego measure - lol
(03-07-2007 22:17:39)<     seanw > ;)
(03-07-2007 22:17:44)< Wiki_Blue > ie, for something like this...we really need approval...b/c I would like it to be a letter I send from foudnation, so its taken seriously
(03-07-2007 22:17:52)<     seanw > Wiki_Blue, okay, perhaps we get that thrashed out on the water cooler or whatever.
(03-07-2007 22:17:53)< Wiki_Blue > just a thought
(03-07-2007 22:17:55)<     seanw > Or wikinews-l
(03-07-2007 22:17:55)< Cbrown1023 > Wiki_Blue: do you work better when someone else compiles the information into an e-mail instead of a discussion like this?
(03-07-2007 22:17:57)< Wiki_Blue > okay.
(03-07-2007 22:17:57)           * Cbrown1023 does
(03-07-2007 22:18:02)< Wiki_Blue > yes.
(03-07-2007 22:18:03)< Wiki_Blue > lol
(03-07-2007 22:18:05)< cary_in_meeting > Wiki_Blue: PC
(03-07-2007 22:18:09)<     seanw > Right, all, let's move on.
(03-07-2007 22:18:14)< cary_in_meeting > 66
(03-07-2007 22:18:29)<     seanw > Next xand final thing today is Open_Research
(03-07-2007 22:18:30)<   brianmc > Wait, one of the issues is we don't want to end up with the Foundation being liable for accredited reporters.
(03-07-2007 22:18:34)<     seanw > Open_Research, go ahead :-)
(03-07-2007 22:18:39)< martinp23 > OK - (what seanw said - lets organise somewhere to carry this on elsewhere (comproj-l and watercooler to start with)
(03-07-2007 22:18:45)< martinp23 > </end>
(03-07-2007 22:18:48)< cary_in_meeting > brianmc: seanw only has 10 more minutes
(03-07-2007 22:18:50)<     seanw > (No -l on comproj)
(03-07-2007 22:18:58)<   brianmc > ok, n.p.
(03-07-2007 22:18:59)<     seanw > Um
(03-07-2007 22:19:03)<     seanw > Open Research appears to be asleep
(03-07-2007 22:19:20)< cary_in_meeting > JENNIFER!!!!
(03-07-2007 22:19:29)           * Cbrown1023 pokes Open_Research
(03-07-2007 22:19:50)[netsplit] / simmons.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: CraigSpurrier_aw, Open_Research
(03-07-2007 22:19:50)<     seanw > Oh dear, this isn't good.
(03-07-2007 22:19:55)<     seanw > Netsplit...
(03-07-2007 22:20:04)[netsplit] - joins: CraigSpurrier_aw, Open_Research
(03-07-2007 22:20:07)< cary_in_meeting > ah
(03-07-2007 22:20:07)<     seanw > Give it a minute, it'dll nbe back.
(03-07-2007 22:20:11)< cary_in_meeting > they're back
(03-07-2007 22:20:19)< cary_in_meeting > I bet it's Open_Research's first Netsplit
(03-07-2007 22:20:37)< martinp23 > A wonderful occasion :P
(03-07-2007 22:20:37)<     seanw > heheh
(03-07-2007 22:20:40)< DragonFire1024 > I do not understand net splits
(03-07-2007 22:20:46)<     seanw > It's strange on freneode
(03-07-2007 22:20:55)<     seanw > The servers you see in teh quit message are *not* the servers that split.
(03-07-2007 22:20:58)<     seanw > They're simply the one you are on.
(03-07-2007 22:20:59)<    Mike_H > Netsplits are misunderstood, just like me.
(03-07-2007 22:20:59)< Platonides > DragonFire1024, look it up on wikipedia ;)
(03-07-2007 22:21:01)<    Mike_H > </emo>
(03-07-2007 22:21:05)< DragonFire1024 > :)
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(03-07-2007 22:21:20)< martinp23 > haha
(03-07-2007 22:21:35)<     seanw > Well, this isn't good with open_research
(03-07-2007 22:21:41)<     seanw > We should have put wiikinews last . . .
(03-07-2007 22:21:48)< Cbrown1023 > DragonFire1024: we have an article on it... but basically, two severs lose their connection
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(03-07-2007 22:21:55)<     seanw > Ah well, this sort of thing can be sorted out in the future.
(03-07-2007 22:21:59)< cary_in_meeting > zuirdj: you're late
(03-07-2007 22:21:59)<     seanw > With an agenda.
(03-07-2007 22:22:03)< DragonFire1024 > H
(03-07-2007 22:22:03)<     seanw > Let's wait a few more minutes for her.
(03-07-2007 22:22:07)< DragonFire1024 > ah*
(03-07-2007 22:22:10)< cary_in_meeting > *cough* agenda *cough*
(03-07-2007 22:22:12)           * zuirdj hides
(03-07-2007 22:23:06)< Markie996 > a nice lul to the storm
(03-07-2007 22:23:09)<     seanw > cary_in_meeting, there was nothing else except open_research
(03-07-2007 22:23:22)<    zuirdj > :-)
(03-07-2007 22:23:28)< cary_in_meeting > seanw: I know
(03-07-2007 22:24:09)< martinp23 > Sorry about this - I do feel to blame for bringing Wikinews in.
(03-07-2007 22:24:32)<     seanw > martinp23, please don't feel like that.
(03-07-2007 22:24:36)<     seanw > Our disorganisation is my fault :)
(03-07-2007 22:24:48)< cary_in_meeting > She totally was into the Wikinews stuff
(03-07-2007 22:25:05)<     seanw > *nods*
(03-07-2007 22:25:09)<     seanw > Di we have a pohone number? :)
(03-07-2007 22:25:30)< Cbrown1023 > we being.... CPG?
(03-07-2007 22:25:39)< Cbrown1023 > if so, yes, Sandy :)
(03-07-2007 22:26:03)<     seanw > Ah well. Probably best to close things now, as if she appeared it'd basically be too late.
(03-07-2007 22:26:17)<     seanw > Meta stuff: this went well except for lack of agenda. I will try to sort that.
(03-07-2007 22:26:31)< cary_in_meeting > seanw: we did discuss her a bit before you showed up
(03-07-2007 22:26:32)< Cbrown1023 > Open_Reasearch....
(03-07-2007 22:26:36)< Cbrown1023 > can you say anything?
(03-07-2007 22:26:37)<     seanw > Idea: over teh week, agenda items get mailed to me by default (i.e. not a new thing each week) and they get listed.
(03-07-2007 22:26:44)<     seanw > cary_in_meeting, yeah, sorry, due to odd night
(03-07-2007 22:26:58)< Cbrown1023 > did anyone else see Open_Research's posts to the mailing list?
(03-07-2007 22:26:58)<     seanw > Are people okay with this idea?
(03-07-2007 22:27:00)< cary_in_meeting > Well, next time on Wednesday
(03-07-2007 22:27:06)<     seanw > And then I will keep more accurate minutes in future etc.
(03-07-2007 22:27:20)< martinp23 > Someone else should prepare to log on Weds
(03-07-2007 22:27:24)< martinp23 > I shall be absent
(03-07-2007 22:27:24)< cary_in_meeting > And use the list!
(03-07-2007 22:27:27)<     seanw > Happy?
(03-07-2007 22:27:35)<     seanw > martinp23, sure, I will try to. I ought to be as chair.
(03-07-2007 22:27:48)<     seanw > --- meeting terminated ---