Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Archive/Allow interwiki links of Special namespace pages without Wikidata items
Allow interwiki links of Special namespace pages without Wikidata items
Proposer did not respond
- Problem: Some users are concerning if Wikidata should support Special namespace pages or not, to the best of my knowledge adding such links to any Wikidata items are the most bogus things of the Internet world, since such links are usually less focus and less traffic, except the Watchlist and login/logout-related, for most newbits.
The re-creation of Q105429923 (Q105429923) for Special:RecentChanges gave me one keystone reason to propose this, unlike the potential maintenancers of that item, I don't often visit this special page, as I have less interests on patroll works. However by such allowing links, such items could simply fact-to-face edit wars on the criterias of selections (as there are more and more concerns about links for closed wikis).
By focusing Wiktionary pages, I have a strong idea that if we can stop linking special pages, and stop creating items for em, by using an extension called Cognate to auto-prepare links for special pages on all wikis, not only Wiktionaries.
- Who would benefit: No certain answer, though by asking me I would say every Wikidata editors
- Proposed solution: Two words: Using Cognate!
- Phabricator tickets: phab:T123063
- More comments: d:Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Inclusion_of_non-article_pages_2#Special_pages (Nihil obstat consensus to exclude Special pages)
- Proposer: Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Discussion
- It’s helpful and good idea. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 10:13, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: Sorry if I'm missing the obvious here, but it sounds like you're proposing that Special pages be prevented from having Wikidata items, is that right? But also that they will be able to be interwiki-linked. Isn't that latter point already possible? Could you elaborate a bit on how the Cognate extension will help? Thanks — SWilson (WMF) (talk) 13:16, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- "But also that they will be able to be interwiki-linked." And any other pages are originally able, but how can such links be worked on every wikis? It's unable to see these sitelinks, even compacted, on Special:RecentChanges of every wiki, unable to see it on en:Special:RecentChanges, fr:Special:RecentChanges, tr:Special:RecentChanges, etc. Thus linking such pages are wasting of Wikidata users' times. The existing of Q105429923 looks partly good per d:WD:N (for structured statements purpose), but having links on the right of item interface are weird and bogus as they mostly can't work. Cognate, however, can and should provide such links for same purpose pages automatically to hold up future wasting of times on creating dummy items for special pages. PS: I heard that someone will against me because this will always populate several hundres of links on every special pages, so a configuration to triage such a function is also necessary via Special:Preferences. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: It's unable to see these sitelinks, even compacted, on Special:RecentChanges of every wiki Do you mean that the sitelinks for Special:RecentChanges are not listed in the sidebar? That's true, and as you say it's probably because every single other language would be listed there. Does your proposal include adding the sidebar list? having links on the right of item interface are weird and bogus as they mostly can't work I'm not sure I understand: the sitelinks on Q105429923 (Q105429923) work fine as far as I can see. I mean, I totally agree that it feels a bit redundant to have to define Wikidata items for special pages when we know for sure what they're called on every wiki and that they exist. SWilson (WMF) (talk) 05:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
- "But also that they will be able to be interwiki-linked." And any other pages are originally able, but how can such links be worked on every wikis? It's unable to see these sitelinks, even compacted, on Special:RecentChanges of every wiki, unable to see it on en:Special:RecentChanges, fr:Special:RecentChanges, tr:Special:RecentChanges, etc. Thus linking such pages are wasting of Wikidata users' times. The existing of Q105429923 looks partly good per d:WD:N (for structured statements purpose), but having links on the right of item interface are weird and bogus as they mostly can't work. Cognate, however, can and should provide such links for same purpose pages automatically to hold up future wasting of times on creating dummy items for special pages. PS: I heard that someone will against me because this will always populate several hundres of links on every special pages, so a configuration to triage such a function is also necessary via Special:Preferences. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hello and thanks for taking the time to write this proposal. We are archiving this wish due to a lack of clarification. We needed clarification so that we could accept this wish and mark it for translation so that it could go into voting. Thanks again! Regards, LDelench (WMF) (talk) 13:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)