Grants talk:Programs/Wikimedia Community Fund/Rapid Fund/Hausa Hooked letters and Ajami oral in Wikitionary (ID: 21948211)

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1. Why the proposal is important for your community and why you think the strategies chosen will achieve the results that are expected? 2. Could you highlight any aspects that you think are particularly well developed: for instance, the strategies and activities proposed, the levels of community engagement, outreach to underrepresented groups, addressing knowledge gaps, partnerships, the overall budget and learning and evaluation section of the proposal, etc? 3. Could you highlight if the proposal focuses on any interesting research, learning or innovation, etc. Also if it builds on learning from past proposals developed by the individual or organization, or other Wikimedia communities? 4. Do you think the proposal is going to contribute in any way to important developments around specific Wikimedia projects or Movement Strategy? 5. Do you think if the proposal is coherent in terms of the objectives, strategies, budget and expected results (metrics)?

•  Support This project is very important and will improve Hausa Wiktionary because using Hooked letters will help learners especially Non-native Hausa to understand the meaning of words perfectly.Aliyu shaba]]^Talk 15:33, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

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Support This project will improve Hausa Wiktionary and Hausa written system as well. Ajami is still used and using Hooked letters is very important because it will help learners to understand meaning of words easily without confusion.Ibraheem8088 (talk) 18:36, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Not funded

Hello Abubakr1111,

Thank you for submitting your grant application. We appreciate your interest in contributing to the mission of the Wikimedia Movement. We are continuously strengthening our grants review process, ensuring that grant funding is being invested towards impactful projects and efforts geared towards contributing to the mission of Wikimedia Movement in the most efficient and effective manner.

After a thorough review of your application, we have decided to not fund your Rapid Fund request. Here are the main reasons for our decision:

• The proposed change is significant for the Hausa Wiktionary. However, there hasn't been any community-wide discussion about this change. We recommend consulting widely in Hausa communities and with language experts before the introduction of Ajami script in Wiktionary. We think that you need to consider all risks before making the introduction and have a community consensus on it.
• It's also unclear what you by saying 'Ajami oral'. Ajami is a writing system, so it is unclear what audio files the applicant wants to create and upload. If these are pronunciations of Hausa words, then the connection between these activities and project goals are unclear. Additionally, if these are pronunciations of Hausa words, any duplication of efforts with other similar projects should be considered.
• The proposed budget is incomplete and not aligned with the project impact.

Best regards, DSaroyan (WMF) (talk) 10:37, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Reply

Hello DSaroyan (WMF),

Thank you Davit Saroyan for taking time to review this proposal.

We think this proposal is extremely important and is needed in Hausa Wikitionary, so please take time to look into the explanation below critically, as you understand this proposal change is significant. Below is our respond to your reasons for not funding this proposal which we do hope it can be considered if you understand it clearly!

• "How ever there hasn't been any community wide discussion change"-Davit; According to how we understand your statement; you thought we are changing the entire words to Ajami system of writing, if that is so, then such requires wide community discussion. But take note that is not exactly what we are planning to do, we are planning to leave words to be written in English Alphabetical order, but Arabic Ajami will be included as a section under each words for almost every word in Hausa Wikitionary considering the numbers we intend to create and improve, and such will continue as a system of creating words with Ajami,to enable other Hausas speakers that use Ajami to understand the words properly.

In shot we plan to keep on using English alphabets but Ajami will be included as section. For example https://ha.wiktionary.org/wiki/Fara.

Note: Since we are not changing the entire words to Ajami, we think community consensus is not required because; In Wikitionary project of other languages they also include words in another language, here in this rapid project we are just including Ajami under section. The reason why we make the above explanation is for you to understand that community consensus is required when we are changing the entire words to Ajami, which is not! We are just including it under section. And for the wide discussion you are talking about, we notified relevant Hausa community to know their opinion on the matter, and they have shown their support for this development, in person of Hausa Wikipedia Admin User:Anasskoko,User:Musa Vacho77,Sunusi Gado,Aliyu Shaba, Ibraheem8080, Uncle Bash007,Abdulkareem Aliyu,Al'ameen Khalid and so on. But if you still think wide community discussion is needed for this changes then we will open a discussion on Hausa Wikitionary for 5days for consensus of support or oppose for this great development we want to bring to have a consensus.

• You said and I quote "...And with language experts before the introduction of Ajami script in Wiktionary" I myself knows much on Arabic Ajami script, because I do write with Arabic alphabets. I obtained Arabic and Islamic certificate on Arabic and Islamic studies. Also the User:Salisu Adamu is also a language expert he obtained Arabic and Islamic certificate on Arabic and Islamic studies, he was once a secondary school teacher, teaching Arabic studies, Hausa and social science. He currently works with

Ministry of Human services and social Development Kaduna State, and currently working as an adhoc field officer on various UNICEF child protection and development programmes, as a language translator and linguistic in collecting data in en:Ajami a system of reading and writing in some partchildren, and en:Almajiranci speaks only Hausa and write in Arabic Ajami.

Moreover, we also have a support from user User:Anasskoko, as he also writes in Arabic scripts, he creates Graphics design of Hausa Ajami Calligraphy which can be seen below https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Anasskoko_calligraphy, he is as well willing to help in seeing the success of this project. I wish to ask, what kind of language expert do you mean exactly?

• You said and I quote "it also unclear what you saying by Ajami oral. Ajami is a writing system" Reply: Yes Ajami is a writing system and we plan to include it in Hausa words under section. "so it's unclear what audio files the applicants what to create and upload." We by saying Ajami oral we mislead you of course, sorry for that! We suppose to write Hooked letters pronunciation instead of Ajami Oral, we mean the Hooked words we are creating will be created together with audio pronunciation, and such can only be achieved unless they are uploaded into Wikimedia Commons, that's why this project will work with the User: Sadauki11 in seeing that applicants and users of Hausa Wikitionary knows the complete process of creating words with audio pronunciation. Moreover, the audio will be created purposely for the entire words to be created and for the Hooked letters differences. Example the Hausa word "Da" means "and" in English language, while the Hausa word "Ɗa" means "son" in English language, so here whenever there is a Hooked letter the pronunciation varies, So here comes the joint we will upload audio files to have that hooked letters pronounced and heard as a difference between Da and Ɗa Hooked letters. So to create words with Hooked letters pronunciation is needed. Mistakenly, we write Ajami oral instead of Hooked letters oral pronunciation, sorry for the mistake.
• You said and I quote "the proposal budget is incomplete and is not aligned with the project impact" from the above explanation, we make it very clear that we are uploading audio files, from the budget we include three different training: First training will mentor participants on how to creat words, make a reference, create category, sections and linking. Second event will be Ajami and Hausa Hooked letters mentorship and Coaching, mentorship on what Ajami and Hooked letters are, the concept of using Arabic Ajami keyboard, using Hausa keyboard for Hooked letters and inclusion of the Ajami and Hooked letters respectively. Third train will be on audio files upload, pronunciation, conversation, uploading, and linking audios in Hausa Wikitionary relevant words. So the proposed budget is design to suit this three event, each with a specific project impact because in seeing that we achieve that which we plan to achieve in an easiest way, joining the three event will make participants bored, tired, time consumption, and the training process will be too much for participants to acquired the skills, achieving our impact is the number one priority, so we plan the budget to suit participants needs in seeing that the impact comes true. But if you still think the budget is not aligned with the project impact, you can specify the item exactly and we will make clarification or adjustment if need be Accordingly.

Thank you once again for taking time to review our application seeing that the project is very impactful,we hope you take a very close look at the above explanation for better understanding, assistant for application consideration and what need to the proposal work. Looking forward to hear from you soon.

Best regards,

Abubakr1111

Salisu Adamu

Sadauki11

Abubakr1111 (talk) 22:29, 24 September 2022 (UTC)