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Incarceration rates, totals, etc.[edit]

I would like some GIF image charts for use on articles such as w:Incarceration, etc.. I know people would use the GIF charts both on wikipedia and on websites outside wikipedia.

PNG images don't scale well on wikipedia or on other websites unless one wants to spend an inordinate amount of time tweaking every scaled PNG image. GIF images, on the other hand, scale well instantly with the simplest image editors. Such as IrfanView. See related discussion here.

I can make some HTML charts about incarceration rates by using wikicode. See

I used http://www.uni-bonn.de/~manfear/html2wiki-tables.php to convert HTML charts I found on the web. I further tweaked them.

I guess I could take screen shots of the sandbox pages, or from my offline HTML pages, and crop some gif images from them.

But is there a more direct route with freeware to create GIF charts without first having to create HTML charts with wikicode or a web page editor? Please see also:

There are related charts here:

I discovered the following while searching for some easy graph creation tools:
Create A Graph. Free online graph creation tool at the website for the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) (located within the U.S. Department of Education and the Institute of Education Sciences). Bar charts, line charts, area charts, pie charts, and XY graphs. Choice of PDF, PNG, JPG, EMF, EPS, and SVG output. --Timeshifter 04:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
There is related discussion here. --Timeshifter 21:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't think charts/graphs are appropriate for this. As you have found there are many tools that make it easy to generate these types of images, where you just punch in numbers and select options and hit OK. They don't require creativity like schemas and identificational diagrams. --pfctdayelise 13:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Yes, this is not the appropriate venue for requesting simple charts or graphs. Kaldari 20:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Server diagram[edit]

Wikimedia-Servers 2006-05-09

The Server-diagram cold need an update because it is 1 1/2 years old and I would prefer an yearly update. --Kolossos 20:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Sorry but I don't think a diagram of the Wikimedia server configuration is that important. pfctdayelise 11:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Agreed, it may be interesting to some, but not very useful. Rocket000 12:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I do think it's important, but it seems outside the scope of this project. :-) --Eloquence 10:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I would like to see a variety of images explaining the hardware setup of Wikimedia. I don't know how many people would be interested in it, though. As for me, I am highly curious as to how Wikimedia works at the nuts and bolts level. Maybe ask for help at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images to improve - Can request new graphics there, too. I think this type of info might help get more technical volunteers, and more donations of money and hardware.--Timeshifter 21:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Translate useful tutorials[edit]

  • The idea would be to translate some tutorials written by good graphists, which explain the steps used to crate a particular type of image. I know the map tutorials written by Sting have halped graphists from fr.wikipedia to crate wonderful maps by themselves, so providing tutorials has potentially an enormous effect.
  • I can see so far the following tutorials :

le Korrigan bla 15:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

What are some locations where wikimedia/wikipedia graphics tutorial links are compiled?
I have been compiling some links. See some map sources, help, work, and template links here:
- en:Category:Wikipedia maps
- commons:Category:Commons maps
- commons:Category:Maps#Resources --Timeshifter 04:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Please put links to tutorials and so on here: Philip Greenspun illustration project/Community.
I would love for Sting's tutorials to be translated. But the funding for this project is explicitly for illustration creation, so it would be inappropriate to use it for translators, I'm sorry. --pfctdayelise 06:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand. Though I remember that in an e-mail, you said you wanted to put some of these resources into "education" more than just creation. I have seen the impact of these tutorials : not only does Sting produce beautiful maps, but now we have Sémhur (example) and Pinpin (example). You know, the famous "give a fish to a man, or teach him to fish" :-). Maybe having a bit of money for translation could be negociated with the donor ? le Korrigan bla 10:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I would like this project to be more than just picture creation, but I was thinking at that time (of talking about translating tutorials) of volunteer efforts. I agree, they are very important. As it stands, at the moment, there is only funding for illustration creation. I will think on this topic some more, though. --pfctdayelise 12:14, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe you can ask the paid illustrators to write a few paragraphs about how they did their illustration. It would be voluntary since they may be busy people. I, and others, would be interested in what they have to say. We can place their explanations as subpages of this project. I encourage illustrators (paid or not) to create more explanatory and tutorial subpages. They can make them subpages of their user pages on the commons, wikipedia, etc.. The more the better. The key though is that the info gets linked to and categorized by topic, type of illustration, etc.. --Timeshifter 21:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, that's my point : creating a tutorial is a long and tedious task, which requires much longer than producing an illustration. User:Sting has said several times that finishing and translating his tutorials is just a too hard task for the moment. Maybe it can be encouraged. If you compare the benefit you get for the same price, the most cost-efficient option is quite clear for me.
But I agree with you that graphists should be encouraged to write down the way they work, with snapshots to help future users (these are very very useful). le Korrigan bla 00:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I am in agreement with you that it would be good if we could pay for some tutorials, too. We would need to get funding though. Is there a way to set up a donation fund just for tutorials? It doesn't necessarily have to go through wikimedia. As long as the results are in the public domain we can copy them to wikimedia. That way we can expand on them, add more examples, elaborations, translations, grammar corrections, etc., etc.. I see tutorials, etc. in the various subcategories of this category: en:Category:Wikipedia image help. My French is OK for getting by and reading (with only partial understanding at times), but not good enough to do translations. And my graphics ability is not high enough either for such translations. --Timeshifter 03:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

(reset) How about we wait until round 1 is over and then re-assess. I would like it if we could work with FLOSS Manuals, to some extent, on Inkscape tutorials. There is even a possibility of funding through FLOSS Manuals; see [2]. (However that would be referring to pretty introductory material.) But every bit helps. --pfctdayelise 06:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Can we transfer this discussion thread to Talk:Philip Greenspun illustration project/Requests? I would like to discuss this further without cluttering up this request page. What are FLOSS manuals? I couldn't tell from the linked page.
There is probably a lot of tutorial stuff already on the web that we could link to, and categorize. Stuff concerning FLOSS, Inkscape, and the map tutorial stuff le Korrigan discussed. And much more. --Timeshifter 11:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Discussion continues at
Talk:Philip_Greenspun_illustration_project/Requests#FLOSS Manuals. --Timeshifter 12:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Industrial revolution[edit]

  • this key figure in the industrial revolution article could really stand to be redrawn. AaronSw 19:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
    • It could, but such charts can be automatically generated with a little effort. Google Charts or GraphViz or Ploticus (two open source software packages). --pfctdayelise 07:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Restoration work for Battle of Stalingrad photograph[edit]

  • Adaption: I don't know if this is the right place to go for this, but this image needs some work done on it. The top of the image is quite bright and faint at the top, but very dark at the bottom, to the point where it's hard to discern what's there. If possible, could the bottom be brightened a bit without causing the top to be totally washed out? The image is in the public domain, and uploaded to Commons. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Soviet_soldiers_moving_at_Stalingrad.jpg There is interest in using the image for the infobox montage on the article for World War II on en.wiki. An improved version of this file would also likely be very helpful on other language wikis as well. Parsecboy 20:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Send it to w:Wikipedia:GL/IMPROVE. Kaldari 20:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Speaking as a photographer, I rather like the imperfections. If you must have it retouched, can you provide a copy with a higher resolution? Some of the original links are dead. --Adoniscik 03:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Someone pointed out this request to me. Feel free to leave historic restoration requests at commons:User:Durova/Encyclopedic image restoration. Please upload a higher resolution version if possible. Durova 02:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I can help![edit]

If it helps, I can do coloured pencils/Watercolours to a reasonable standard: Image:Thespis2.png is one, but I'm getting better as I go, so =) 86.131.248.60 01:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)