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The "Thoughts" section is incomprehensible to me and the examples provided in the next section mostly wrong (please just remove them, they're a distraction), but context made me understand what this is about, so it seems an effort worth helping and maybe I can leave some comments.
I think this page should be fixed from its first line, which is disturbing to me: "rich, meaningful, and aesthetically pleasing" sounds very bad. The web doesn't lack "richness",[1] I'd rather encourage some pauperism or at least degrowth. Similarly, "meaningful" doesn't mean much, I'd rather stress effectiveness and efficiency (cf. previous link on general slowness of the web); performance, too, should be embedded in all design considerations in some way (probably someone should draft the performance standards RfC Asher proposed). Similarly, "aesthetically pleasing" is totally a non-goal: every design nowadays already inertially tends towards "prettification" for the sake of it, no need for more pro-cyclical pushing in that direction.
Perhaps one could say that design should be about effectiveness/efficiency, usability and discoverability of what we want to convey to reach our broader goals. --Nemo 11:03, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd favor expanding and improving the examples rather than removing them. I feel similarly about the thoughts. I appreciate the feedback regarding the first paragraph. That's the weaker of the two paragraphs, I think. Did you have any thoughts about the second paragraph? --MZMcBride (talk) 20:44, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I changed "rich" to "responsive" in the first sentence. I'm not sure stating that design should be aesthetically pleasing and meaningful is a bad thing, though I'd be very interested in alternate phrases and language. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:51, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to revise the page and add design guidelines[edit]

The Wikimedia Foundation design and UX team members have been developing guidelines and best practices for design. They essentially expand the thoughts section. I'd like to use this page to share them. If you're paying attention to the page, do you have any objections? Thanks! Heather Walls (WMF) (talk) 23:23, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This page is about defining design, not about design suggestions. You can add content of course, but off topic text may be moved to a more specific title. Nemo 08:11, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Defining design is exactly what I'm talking about. I look forward to a conversation. Heather Walls (WMF) (talk) 01:18, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]