Talk:Requests for comment/Flagged revisions should display latest versions

I realize that I might not meet the requirements at Requests for comment/Policy. If you feel like I need to meet requirements first, I can launch this discussion again later once I meet the requirements. Otherwise, another user can feel free to adopt my proposal.

However, most RfCs are about dispute resolution, while this is neutral, non-politically related comment about cross-wiki MediaWiki configuration tweaks to improve community health across multiple projects. I am not involved with any disputes at any Wikimedia projects, so you can exempt me from some of the guidelines if you feel that it's fine.

Another solution is to discuss this at the Wikimedia Forum while this page is incubated as a user subpage or draft. Voltairacus (talk) 21:07, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First, thank you for effort. Nothing goes forward if nobody tries to fix the known problems and it is not a problem if the method is not perfect. --Zache (talk) 01:44, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Table from Zache[edit]


Project	FR installation year	Which article version is shown	Target articles	Autopromote	Pending queue length 2020/11	Pending queue length % 2020/11	PendingLag average 2020/11
Alemannic	2008	latest	all	no	1	0 %	0.3 days
Russian	2008	latest	all	no	323705	20.1 %	723.2 days
German	2008	stable	all	yes	7754	0.3 %	11.5 days
Polish	2008	stable	all	yes	3911	0.3 %	9.1 days
Esperanto	2008	latest	all	yes	1257	0.5 %	86.1 days
Hungarian	2008	stable	all	no	3636	0.8 %	13.6 days
Arabic	2009	stable	all	no	4994	0.5 %	15.8 days
Interlingua	2009	latest	all	no	3197	69.9 %	1404.3 days
Hindi	2010	latest	protected	no	52		101.6 days
Albanian	2010	stable	all	yes	1029	1.1 %	47.7 days
Indonesian	2010	stable	all	no	39441	8.8 %	538.4 days
Georgian	2011	stable	all	no	206	0.2 %	83.8 days
Finnish	2011	latest	all	no	1132	0.2 %	11.8 days
Bengali	2011	latest	protected	no	4		2.3 days
Turkish	2011	stable	all	yes?	2236	0.6 %	11.5 days
Ukrainian	2011	latest	all	no	78300	8.7 %	281.7 days
Venetian	2011	latest	all	no	72	0.1%	80.8 days
Belarusian	2011	latest	all	no	7888	4.3 %	598.6 days
English	2012	latest	protected	no	13		0.1 days
Portuguese	2013	latest	protected	no	???
Persian	2013	latest	protected	no	12		1.9 days
Chechen	2013	latest	all	no	1204	0.4 %	1119.4 days
Macedonian	2010	?	all	yes (???)	67	0.1 %	1.6 days
Bosnian	2010	stable	all	no	162	0.2 %	70.4 days
Classical Chinese	2008	stable ?	all ?	no ?	1085	26.8 %	626.4 days

@Voltairacus: Here is the updated table. I changed the PendingLag information to PendingLag average as it is collected for all of the wikis and I think that the data is good. Also queue length is now exact numbers. If pending changes queue length is under 200 then single person can reviewe all of the pending changes in a day (=not a problem) --Zache (talk) 04:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Zache: Thank you! Could you also include Bosnian, Macedonian, and Classical Chinese, which are missing? Voltairacus (talk) 05:09, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The table appears to show that the Indonesian Wikipedia may need the most improvement. What is your analysis of the data? Voltairacus (talk) 05:14, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I added Bosnian, Macedonian, and Classical Chinese. However, I was not able to find Macedonian and Classical Chinese from InitialiseSettings.php or flaggedrevs.php so I do not know what their configuration is OR where they are configured. Based on original requests however, Macedonian FlaggedRes settings would be that autoconfirmed can patrol (= patrol approve revisions). If it is still so it would explain how it works. My analysis for wikis which are using show stable by default the most problematic is Indonesian Wikipedia and Albanian is next. If Classical Chinese is using stable by default then it's settings should be changed too. I would change the settings from stable by default to latest by default AND would make much aggressive autopromote like dewiki's config or even lower so that autoconfirmed users can review so FR could be viable anti-vandalism tool. --Zache (talk) 08:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Zache: Excellent, this is a good analysis. Voltairacus (talk) 08:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Have you notified community members on relevant Wikipedias?[edit]

@Voltairacus: Have you notified Wikipedia communities which are using Flagged revisions that there is RfC on meta? Huwiki and bswiki found this, but i think that generally local communities doesn't follow the Meta.wikimedia.org's RfC-pages and you need to write to their community portal pages to get some attention. --Zache (talk) 09:16, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Zache: Thank you, I will notify all 9 wikis. I do not purposefully intend to annoy them. Voltairacus (talk) 08:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Zache: All 9 Wikipedias that are the main subjects of the discussion have been notified. I have notified the Finnish Wikipedia too. Voltairacus (talk) 08:30, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]