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The Start of Bengali Wikipedia
    Last update: 2013-09-25 08:41 (UTC)

The start of the Bengali Wikipedia. Jump right to Creation of wiki.

Oldest revisions

Oldest revisions (by revision id)

These are the 10 oldest edits currently residing in the revision database. It appears the first 5 edits are no longer in the revision database. There's a number of things that could have happened to them, a few guesses:

  • Lost in time through migrations (export/import maybe)
  • Removed by a developer in 2004 (perhaps some edits were test edits by a Wikipedia technician from before the wiki was public)
  • Deleted by a sysop (wiki-admin), which means they are archived and still available through Undelete.

So, here are the 10 oldest edits that have not been deleted:

# Edit Description
1 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6 Created bn:প্রধান পাতা (the main page)
2 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=7 Edited bn:প্রধান পাতা
3 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=8 This edit was made by the software update. Our current software no longer works this way, but back then these message changes were often done like this.
4 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9 Edited bn:প্রধান পাতা
5 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=10 Edited bn:প্রধান পাতা
6 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=11 Edited bn:প্রধান পাতা
7 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=12 Edited bn:প্রধান পাতা
8 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=13 Edited bn:প্রধান পাতা
9 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=14 Edited bn:প্রধান পাতা
10 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=15 Edited bn:প্রধান পাতা
Query report
> SELECT * FROM revision ORDER BY rev_id ASC LIMIT 10;
+--------+----------+-------------+------------------------+----------+-------------------+----------------+----------------+-------------+---------------+
| rev_id | rev_page | rev_text_id | rev_comment            | rev_user | rev_user_text     | rev_timestamp  | rev_minor_edit | rev_deleted | rev_parent_id |
+--------+----------+-------------+------------------------+----------+-------------------+----------------+----------------+-------------+---------------+
|      6 |      796 |           6 |                        |        0 | 212.100.178.141   | 20040127164554 |              0 |           0 |             0 |
|      7 |      796 |           7 |                        |        0 | 65.94.180.124     | 20040130190017 |              0 |           0 |             6 |
|      8 |      572 |           8 |                        |        0 | MediaWiki default | 20040129142457 |              0 |           0 |             0 |
|      9 |      796 |           9 |                        |        0 | 202.174.136.113   | 20040205083103 |              0 |           0 |             7 |
|     10 |      796 |          10 | other indic wikipedias |        0 | 212.100.178.141   | 20040223130810 |              0 |           0 |             9 |
|     11 |      796 |          11 |                        |        0 | 65.94.182.191     | 20040226075544 |              0 |           0 |            10 |
|     12 |      796 |          12 |                        |        0 | 65.94.182.191     | 20040226075909 |              0 |           0 |            11 |
|     13 |      796 |          13 |                        |        0 | 65.94.182.191     | 20040226080411 |              0 |           0 |            12 |
|     14 |      796 |          14 |                        |        0 | 65.94.182.191     | 20040226080537 |              0 |           0 |            13 |
|     15 |      796 |          15 |                        |        0 | 65.94.182.191     | 20040226163712 |              0 |           0 |            14 |
+--------+----------+-------------+------------------------+----------+-------------------+----------------+----------------+-------------+---------------+
10 rows in set (0.00 sec)

Main namespace (without Main Page)

Oldest article in the revision database (not including the Main Page) is the creation of page বাংলা ভাষা on 2004-05-24 19:42:29 (creation, not revision, since rev_parent_id is 0 and there is no entry in the archive).

The reason for the high page id (608) is due to the many temporary "pages" created by the software update for the interface messages, between the creation of the wiki and the creation of this (first) article.

mysql:wikiadmin@db1019 [bnwiki]> SELECT page_namespace, page_title, page_id, rev_id, rev_user, rev_user_text, rev_timestamp, rev_parent_id FROM revision, page WHERE rev_page=page_id AND page_namespace=0 AND page_id != 796 ORDER BY rev_id ASC LIMIT 10;
+----------------+------------------+---------+--------+----------+---------------+----------------+---------------+
| page_namespace | page_title       | page_id | rev_id | rev_user | rev_user_text | rev_timestamp  | rev_parent_id |
+----------------+------------------+---------+--------+----------+---------------+----------------+---------------+
|              0 | বাংলা_ভাষা          |     608 |     69 |        0 | 61.3.128.49   | 20040524194229 |             0 |
|              0 | বাংলা_ভাষা          |     608 |     70 |        0 | 61.3.128.49   | 20040524194519 |            69 |
|              0 | বাংলা_ভাষা          |     608 |     71 |        0 | 61.3.128.49   | 20040524195028 |            70 |
|              0 | বাংলা_ভাষা          |     608 |     72 |        0 | 61.3.128.49   | 20040524195258 |            71 |
|              0 | সুমন_চট্টোপাধ্যায়       |     826 |   2335 |       27 | Mukerjee      | 20041115074844 |             0 |
|              0 | দুর্গা               |     827 |   2336 |       27 | Mukerjee      | 20041115084231 |             0 |
|              0 | বিজয়া_মুখোপাধ্যায়      |     830 |   2337 |       27 | Mukerjee      | 20041115101626 |             0 |
|              0 | বাংলাদেশ           |     822 |   2338 |        0 | 81.52.243.182 | 20041024043409 |             0 |
|              0 | দুর্গা               |     827 |   2339 |       27 | Mukerjee      | 20041115093533 |          2336 |
|              0 | বাংলাদেশ           |     822 |   2368 |       27 | Mukerjee      | 20041115103637 |          2338 |
+----------------+------------------+---------+--------+----------+---------------+----------------+---------------+
10 rows in set (0.00 sec)

Oldest revisions (by timestamp)

The Bangali Wikipedia never had an incubator so there were no imported edits from another wiki. As a result, this query shows no new edits that were made before the "oldest revisions by revision id". Various software updates which all had their timestamp set to 20040129142451. And there are 2 edits that appear to have come from Microsoft-owned IP-addresses that created statistics pages ("User:!Popular articles", "User:!Short articles") in the User namespace (more "User:!"-style statistics pages).

# Edit Description
1 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=6 Someone created the Main Page!
2 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=92 MediaWiki software update
3 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=4866 MediaWiki software update
4 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=136 MediaWiki software update
5 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=4910 MediaWiki software update
6 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=8 MediaWiki software update
7 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=7 Edited bn:প্রধান পাতা
8 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=9 Edited bn:প্রধান পাতা
9 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5422 Edited bn:User:!Popular articles
10 https://bn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5424 Edited bn:User:!Short articles
Query report
> SELECT * FROM revision ORDER BY rev_timestamp ASC LIMIT 10;
+--------+----------+-------------+-------------+----------+-------------------+----------------+----------------+-------------+---------------+
| rev_id | rev_page | rev_text_id | rev_comment | rev_user | rev_user_text     | rev_timestamp  | rev_minor_edit | rev_deleted | rev_parent_id |
+--------+----------+-------------+-------------+----------+-------------------+----------------+----------------+-------------+---------------+
|      6 |      796 |           6 |             |        0 | 212.100.178.141   | 20040127164554 |              0 |           0 |             0 |
|     92 |       19 |          92 |             |        0 | MediaWiki default | 20040129142451 |              0 |           0 |             0 |
|   4866 |       19 |        4866 |             |        0 | MediaWiki default | 20040129142451 |              0 |           0 |            92 |
|    136 |       63 |         136 |             |        0 | MediaWiki default | 20040129142451 |              0 |           0 |             0 |
|   4910 |       63 |        4910 |             |        0 | MediaWiki default | 20040129142451 |              0 |           0 |           136 |
|      8 |      572 |           8 |             |        0 | MediaWiki default | 20040129142457 |              0 |           0 |             0 |
|      7 |      796 |           7 |             |        0 | 65.94.180.124     | 20040130190017 |              0 |           0 |             6 |
|      9 |      796 |           9 |             |        0 | 202.174.136.113   | 20040205083103 |              0 |           0 |             7 |
|   5422 |      575 |        5422 |             |        0 | 65.54.188.42      | 20040208034457 |              0 |           0 |             0 |
|   5424 |      577 |        5424 |             |        0 | 65.54.188.42      | 20040208035328 |              0 |           0 |             0 |
+--------+----------+-------------+-------------+----------+-------------------+----------------+----------------+-------------+---------------+
10 rows in set (0.00 sec)

Oldest archive

The archive has no id, only timestamp. The archive is where pages and revisions go when a wiki administrator (sysop) deletes them. They can probably be restored today by a bn.wikipedia.org administrator.

# Archive
1 bn:Special:Undelete/HomePage
2 bn:Special:Undelete/Main_Page
Query report
mysql:wikiadmin@db1019 [bnwiki]> SELECT * FROM archive ORDER BY ar_timestamp ASC LIMIT 10;
+--------------+-----------+---------+---------------------------------------------------------+----------------+---------------+----------+-----------+------------+
| ar_namespace | ar_title  | ar_user | ar_user_text                                            | ar_timestamp   | ar_minor_edit | ar_flags | ar_rev_id | ar_text_id |
+--------------+-----------+---------+---------------------------------------------------------+----------------+---------------+----------+-----------+------------+
|            0 | HomePage  |       0 | flets-a-west-15-144.dsn.jp                              | 20031226054910 |             0 |          |      NULL |       NULL |
|            0 | HomePage  |       0 | CPE0007e9885d15-CM000039d1c86a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com | 20040101180837 |             0 |          |      NULL |       NULL |
|            0 | HomePage  |       0 | m-179.ppp.uno.edu                                       | 20040110080733 |             0 |          |      NULL |       NULL |
|            0 | HomePage  |       0 | m-179.ppp.uno.edu                                       | 20040110081441 |             0 |          |      NULL |       NULL |
|            0 | HomePage  |       0 | m-128.ppp.uno.edu                                       | 20040110113724 |             0 |          |      NULL |       NULL |
|            0 | HomePage  |       0 | m-128.ppp.uno.edu                                       | 20040110114252 |             0 |          |      NULL |       NULL |
|            1 | Main_Page |       0 | 65.94.182.191                                           | 20040228101557 |             0 |          |      NULL |       NULL |
|            1 | Main_Page |       4 | Deepayan                                                | 20040305143511 |             0 |          |      NULL |       NULL |
|            0 | HomePage  |       0 | 66.161.179.20                                           | 20040307020900 |             0 | 0        |      NULL |       NULL |
|            1 | Main_Page |       0 | 203.126.136.220                                         | 20040312090313 |             0 |          |      NULL |       NULL |
+--------------+-----------+---------+---------------------------------------------------------+----------------+---------------+----------+-----------+------------+
10 rows in set (0.06 sec)

Main namespace (without Main Page)

Oldest article in the archive (not including the Main Page) here is ওপেন সোর্স (2004-06-04 05:20:46).

mysql:wikiadmin@db1019 [bnwiki]> SELECT ar_namespace, ar_title, ar_user, ar_user_text, ar_timestamp, ar_rev_id, ar_page_id, ar_parent_id FROM archive WHERE ar_namespace=0 AND ar_title NOT IN ('HomePage', 'Main_Page') ORDER BY ar_timestamp ASC LIMIT 10;
+--------------+----------------------------+---------+-----------------+----------------+-----------+------------+--------------+
| ar_namespace | ar_title                   | ar_user | ar_user_text    | ar_timestamp   | ar_rev_id | ar_page_id | ar_parent_id |
+--------------+----------------------------+---------+-----------------+----------------+-----------+------------+--------------+
|            0 | Main_Page_(table_free)     |       0 | 141.152.158.240 | 20040315162357 |      NULL |       NULL |         NULL |
|            0 | Main_Page_(table_free)     |       0 | 216.68.169.133  | 20040329013816 |      NULL |       NULL |         NULL |
|            0 | উইকিপিডিয়া:বালুর_বাক্স            |      14 | Hiwamy          | 20040501100756 |      NULL |       NULL |         NULL |
|            0 | উইকিপিডিয়া:বালুর_বাক্স            |      14 | Hiwamy          | 20040501101235 |      NULL |       NULL |         NULL |
|            0 | উইকিপিডিয়া:বালুর_বাক্স            |      14 | Hiwamy          | 20040501103533 |      NULL |       NULL |         NULL |
|            0 | ওপেন_সোর্স                    |       0 | 218.214.137.217 | 20040604052046 |      NULL |       NULL |         NULL |
|            0 | ওপেন_সোর্স                    |       0 | 218.214.137.217 | 20040604052217 |      NULL |       NULL |         NULL |
|            0 | Zazaki                     |       0 | 62.80.19.178    | 20040726025637 |      NULL |       NULL |         NULL |
|            0 | Google_gmail               |      27 | Mukerjee        | 20041115103008 |      5673 |       NULL |         NULL |
|            0 | দূর্গা                         |      27 | Mukerjee        | 20041115124419 |      NULL |       NULL |         NULL |
+--------------+----------------------------+---------+-----------------+----------------+-----------+------------+--------------+
10 rows in set (0.12 sec)

Oldest log entries

The logging feature of the software (mw:Manual:Logging table) wasn't introduced until MediaWiki 1.4 (in 2005). Before that special actions were logged manually in pages, so if there were any such actions logged, they would have shown up in the the revision tables above.

Request for creation

The "newprojects" notification list wasn't created until 2010 (archive).

The Proposals for new projects page was first drafted in July 2004 (history), as was the Requests for new languages page (history).

There is a mailing list thread back from December 2013 on wikitech-l:
[wikitech-l] About starting a new wikipedia in language : Bengali.

The thread was started by Jimmy Wales, forwarding an e-mail by Shah Asaduzzaman from 9 December 2003 (20031209052826)

Shah, 

What a great idea! I'm forwarding your request to wikitech-l, as the people 
there will be much more help to you than I can be. 

----- Forwarded message from Shah Asaduzzaman <asad [at] cs> ----- 

From: "Shah Asaduzzaman" <asad [at] cs> 
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:28:26 -0500 
To: <jwales [at] bomis> 
Subject: About starting a new wikipedia in language : Bengali 

Hi Jimbo, 

I am a regular user of the wikipedia, and for along time I was planning 
for starting Bengali pages for wikipedia. 

Now a days, several open source fonts and authoring tools are available 
for Bengali, and it would be easier to start this. 

But I could not start it following the instructions given in the "start 
a new edition" page.... 

Is there anything special that I need...? First of all I could find 
'edit this page' for the main page. 

Plz inform...or let me know where can I find the info.. 

sincerely 

Shah Asaduzzaman 
PhD student, Computer Science 
McGill University Canada 
Native of Bangladesh, First language: Bengali 

Creation of wiki

2004-05-24 19:42:29

This is the date of the oldest revision that created a new article in the main namespace (not including the Main Page). The article in question is বাংলা ভাষা and was created on 2004-05-24 19:42:29 (UTC).

2004-01-27 16:45:54

bn.wikipedia.org on 13 January 2004, Archive.org

This is the date of the oldest revision that is still visible on the site today.

Revision #6, an edit by 212.100.178.141 on 2004-01-27 16:45:54 (UTC) to bn:প্রধান পাতা. That page has been renamed at least twice (HomePage and Main Page). But neither rename was done through the special "rename" feature (probably because that didn't exist yet). The history of Main Page has been merged into "প্রধান পাতা" (bn:Special:Log/প্রধান পাতা). The history of "HomePage" was not, because that history (along with 3 revisions of "Main Page") were deleted a long time ago (see Oldest archive). They could still be undeleted and merged. Be careful though as I have no idea whether that will work, you may want to ask a Wikimedia developer to do it in the database for you – to avoid having to rename or delete your current main page temporarily.

2003-12-26 05:49:10

This is the date of the oldest revision made by a person.

This revision was made to the page "HomePage" on 2003-12-26 05:49:10 UTC by anonymous user flets-a-west-15-144.dsn.jp (no IP address as the old software reported anonymous by their hostname instead). It has been archived as the "HomePage" (in CamelCase, as was the convention in the software used before MediaWiki) was deleted in favour of "Main Page".

Creation of placeholder

2002-06-01

This is an estimated date of when the developers created the "reserved for the creation of a Wikipedia" placeholder pages. It was first captured by Archive.org on 23 July 2002, but (as the archive.org snapshot shows) the revision was created "June 1, 2002".

2002-02

This is an estimated date of when the developers created various language code subdomains (among them bn.wikipedia.com). It was first captured by Archive.org on 22 February 2002.


Terminology

Timestamp
All timestamps below are in UTC (GMT +00:00) in the format YYYY-MM-DD HH:II:SS. So 20130925072847 is 25 September 2013, 08:28:47 UTC. Depending on where you are, be sure to account for the timezone difference. The language is mainly spoken in Bangladesh and West Bengal (India). These two locations have different timezones (UTC +06:00 and UTC +05:30).
Revision id
An automatically assigned number that always increases for each edit by 1. There is no way to influence this number, and it started at 1. So regardless of whether an edit is deleted, that ID will not be re-used for another edit.
Revision timestamp
The time the edit was made at. Although there is generally no way to "fake" this (it is determined server-side, not on the user's computer), when importing edits from another wiki you can import edits with a relatively old revision timestamp, even though those (imported) edits will be assigned fresh revision ids.