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This message concerns your edit to Template:Humor, which you stated that other editors not revert "unless Pi." Although I can understand your argument that if(Pi == false) { do not revert }, unfortunately for(Pi == true) { revert }. Since Pi == 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884 == true, it is necessary for us to revert. Thanks for your interest in our project. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

You assume a C like language, however in any reasonable prgramming language, any trascedental number will equal false. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 21:53, April 16, 2006.
I was indeed assuming a C-like language. Otherwise, we would have had no choice but to bow to your will on Template:Humor. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Of course, there is still no reason not to bend to my will, through a process of reversion wars, which I believe is the traditional way of doing these things. What say you? 21:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable to me. Let's not forget the customary totalitarianism and censorship, of course. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 22:08, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
You make a good point, this censorship of poor fellows like WoW is really quite distressint to see. 00:21, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
'Tis a cruel world indeed. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 00:49, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for that - yes, my best guess was shared IP, too. Hopefully it was a one-off, but the IP's probably worth keeping an eye on. Cheers, Grutness...wha? 09:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC) etc.

Thanks for your message about my report re and the Fleur-de-lis page. I guess I thought it was a complex problem! Anyway, recent strange edits have been promptly reverted - which is great - so many thanks.--HJMG 15:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: report on WP:RFI

Because school IPs can be used by many different people, they are generally not blocked unless the vandalism is very bad and/or recent. If you spot vandalism in progress, you can warn them and then report to WP:AIV for a block. There is a guide to cleaning up vandalism at WP:CUV. I'd be interested to hear any feedback on how good (or not!) that is. Please do let me know how that can be improved (I've been doing some work on it, to make it a quick guide for people who have spotted vandalism and want to know what to do). Cheers, Petros471 14:52, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and sorry for the ungainly headline. I understand the lack of block better and looked over WP:CUV. It seems fine - very thorough. I had already reverted all the vandalism I found from this IP address that had not already been caught, but I have not checked every edit they did. I will mention that I almost never do RC patrol, but I have a lot of pages on my watchlist that are not very often edited (so even though I am not on all the time, I catch some vandalism that way, including this IP address). One idea I have had is to make every page watched by someone - no orphans (in another sense of the word - I watch almost every PA county, for example). Not sure how practical it is - I think it would only work for articles that are not frequently edited. Anyway, thanks again, Ruhrfisch 00:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry about the headline- I usually use a "x report on RFI" format when replying from there, and the questions bit I added on was a reply from seeing replies to your talk page above. Thanks for taking a look at WP:CUV, glad it looks ok. No problem about not doing RC patrol- quite a lot of people do that, but it is also essential to have people watchlisting articles they know something about to check for false information and any vandalism that slipped through RC. There is a page called Special:Unwatched pages, which automatically lists all pages that have no-one watching them. It is only available to admins to prevent vandals abusing it. Petros471 15:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Ruhrfisch. Please note that I've archived or removed your recent request for investigation. That page is only for very specific cases, as described by the page's guidelines. Your alert would be better placed on Administrator intervention against vandalism (WP:AIV), where it will usually be processed within minutes. Many alerts that are incorrectly placed on Requests for investigation are never dealt with, simply because they become old before an administrator gets to them. Thanks for your efforts. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 09:15, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your informative response on report on WP:RFI. I actually read the pages in question and thought RFI was the place for it as the the vandalism in question was both of "Obscure pages that are repeatedly vandalised with an extended time before reverts." and by "Registered users or IPs that have carried out clear vandalism but have currently stopped." Next time I see vandalism on those pages I watch or from that IP address / user I will use WP:AIV. As you can see from my talk page, User:Petros471 also replied to my request for investigation, so I thought it was done already. I have two related comments / ideas.
1) I was wondering if it would be useful to have some sort of interactive decision tree / flow chart for dealing with vandalism for newbies. It would ask a series of questions and you would click on yes or no and it would take you to the right place for reporting it based on your answers. It could be done just as a series of pages with links via yes and no (easiest) or possibly programmed (harder). If this idea worked, you could do it for other things like deciding what image licenses to use too.
2) While I understand the policy of not blocking IP addresses from schools, it seems frustrating. If you look at some of these vandal talk pages there are repeated warnings and nothing happens. Does it encourage vandals in a way? Thanks again, Ruhrfisch 16:05, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
The Requests for investigation page includes a watchlist section, where users can note vandals that have stopped but may continue. This is very different from a request for investigation; feel free to add entries as you see necessary. However, users that have vandalised very recently should be reported at Administrator intervention against vandalism, where they'll be dealt with much more rapidly. If a shared IP (even a school) is actively vandalising and has been warned, feel free to report it there. Administrators will usually intervene as necessary unless the IP is no longer vandalising.
I've had similar ideas on guiding users to the appropriate process page, but due to the great number of pages and their narrow focuses, a series of progressive questions would be impractical. A simple alternative would be a series of if/elseif questions as used on the Village pump portal. For demonstration, see that table below. Regarding image licenses, I think this is a very good idea and will look into it seperately.
Table from village pump portal
I want... Where to go
To browse all village pump topics at once Village pump (all)
Help using Wikipedia Help desk
Specific facts (e.g. Who was the first Pope?) Reference desk
Constructive criticisms from others for a specific article Peer review
Help resolving a specific article edit dispute or making a user conduct dispute complaint  Requests for comment
To comment on a specific article Article's talk page
To view other Wikimedia projects Wikimedia Meta-wiki
To know about citing Wikipedia in a bibliography Citing Wikipedia
To report sites that copy Wikipedia content Mirrors and forks
// [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 19:06, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Bulk spam and vote-stacking

Please do not use the whatlinkshere feature to place unsolicited messages on talk pages with the sole intention of stacking a vote in favour of one particular side of a debate, as you did in the following cases. Doing so is especially harmful when you explicitly tell them how to vote, as you did in these edits ("Please vote keep.")

Time History Diff Page Edit summary
10:16, April 24, 2006 hist diff User_talk:JaymzSpyhunter Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
10:03, April 24, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Jfhaugh Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
10:00, April 24, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Alba Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
09:52, April 24, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Alba/Userboxes Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
09:47, April 24, 2006 hist diff User_talk:InsaneAsylum Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
09:34, April 24, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Tryforceful Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
09:24, April 24, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Pharaoh_Hound Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
20:00, April 23, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Lina86 Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
19:56, April 23, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Madyasiwi Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
19:53, April 23, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Pqpq Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
19:47, April 23, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Praka123 Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
17:27, April 23, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Lordlnyc Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
13:03, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Interestingstuffadder Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
12:58, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Dancer204 Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
12:56, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Szhaider Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
12:54, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Sonny_jim Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
12:51, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Psi-Lord Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
12:44, April 21, 2006 hist diff User talk:Heimstern Läufer == Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee ==
12:42, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Dragon695 Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
12:38, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Rjb_uk Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
12:35, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Puss%27nPurpleBoots Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
12:30, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Metamagician3000 Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
12:25, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Sarah_sof%C3%ADa Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
12:11, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:VanillaDeath Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
12:01, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:O^O/Temp002 Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee.
11:51, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Pureblade Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
11:48, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Daen Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
11:38, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Novacatz Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
11:29, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Qualle Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee!
11:20, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Micahbrwn Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee.
11:16, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Goclenius Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee.
11:01, April 21, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Kelisi Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee.
23:39, April 20, 2006 hist diff User_talk:LuciferBlack Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee.
23:36, April 20, 2006 hist diff User_talk:Priyadi Wikipedia Cat Lovers' Committee.

This is not every such comment you've left, but I believe they suffice for demonstration. Many of the edits above seem to indicate that you are not even checking which pages you are placing comments on, as you left comments on talk pages for subpage templates. This harms the discussion process by flooding it with users that are likely to support your viewpoint. Even leaving that aside, bulk spamming users is frowned upon. Please do not do so. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 13:40, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

So sorry, I really didn't know that I wasn't allowed to do that!! In fact, my only worry was that it might seem a little pushy! I haven't just been doing this randomly, I have actually been going down the list of people that have the 'This user is a cat lover' template, so when I left comments on talk pages for subpage templates etc, it was just a mistake, because that's what it automatically linked to, and I had been doing it for a long time, and have had very little sleep recentlty (6 hours last night, 6 very broken hours the night before, I honestly don't think I've had more than 8 hours sleep a night in the last 4 months...). Sorry! Am I still aloud to ask them to join my committee using the whatlinkshere feature, or do I have to randomly pick user pages, and hope they like cats? Sergeant

Snopake 13:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to invite cat lovers to a WikiProject to improve articles on cats. However, it would probably be best to wait until the conclusion of the deletion discussion. Thank you for your understanding. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 14:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Editing unblock request

Hi Pathoschild, I would like to be unblocked from the Ergo Proxy page. My IP address is and I was just blocked from editing the episode titles list (from eps.13 to 16). Although the names of the titles seem weird for a sci-fi anime, I can confirm they are indeed genuine, and I have the webpage (in Japanese) to prove it here. It is a TV scheduling list for anime, and you can see those titles are really what they are. I have just created a username for myself, but I'm concerned that I may be blocked once again for updating them. Please notify me here on this talk page if you have confirmed my proof, so I can safely update the episode list without worry. // Weils 21.32, 27 April 2006 (GMT)

I see that another administrator has already unblocked you. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 13:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

regarding my block

Hello Wind of Wisdom. Please note that I've blocked you for 6 hours as a possible sockpuppet of CapnCrack. You appear to be tagging an extensive list of CapnCrack sockpuppets despite the fact that they are not listed anywhere, are not linked to or categorised, and most did not even have user pages. This indicates that you may have your own list, as would be quite possible if you had created those accounts yourself. It should be noted that CapnCrack sockpuppets often show an obsession with categorising other CapnCrack sockpuppets and gaining recognition as such. Since you have very few edits beyond this, there is little indication that you are not an abusive sockpuppet.

I invite you to comment on this. I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 02:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I know what you mean. I didn't think the admins would actually be dumb enough to let this account slip through since Wind of Wisdom clearly creates the acronym WoW, but admins like to pat themselves on the back so much about how great they are at stopping vandalism that if you don't mention this goof up, then I won't mention it either.
CapnCrack —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wind of Wisdom (talkcontribs) 18:45, May 4, 2006.
Please note thay you have been indefinitely blocked for the personal attacks contained in your edit summary ("how stupid of a motherfucking dumbass piece of shit can you be? motherfucker, this place is full of skankass, dogshit-lickin' fuckheads."), and as a self-admitted abusive sockpuppet. If you would like to contribute productively to the project, I invite you to do so under a new username. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 18:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Deleted image

Can I get that deleted image of the letter I posted to wikisource? --evrik 17:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure; I've uploaded it to my server. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 17:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Insert Text

could you please restore the relevant talk page for this article? it contained a well reasoned explanation for this page's existance--Minor copy edit name 20:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

See also: here, and maybe consider protecting after restoration?--Minor copy edit name 20:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
See a similar discussion with Antandrus at User_talk:Antandrus#Deleted_redirect, where I provide a rationale for deletion. If you would like to contest the deletion, please seek agreement at deletion review and I'll willingly restore it if support is clear. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 20:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
alright, I'll do that--Minor copy edit name 20:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello. FYI, this review is in progress now at Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Insert_Text, which would explain why User:Xoloz re-created it. Might be easier continuing the disucssion there rather than bumping it to rfd, maybe? Regards, MartinRe 19:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I looked there, but I apparently missed it. Thank you for pointing it out. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 20:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Howdy Pathoschild,

I recreated the link in the course of a DRV of a previous speedy deletion, wherein every commenter supported the creation of the link as a redirect to WP:Bad title. Although the DRV is not yet closed, it is clear to me that this redirect needs to go to RfD before deletion, as there are good faith arguments on each side. If you will begin the RfD, I will close the DRV discussion as "supercession by events." Thanks and best wishes, Xoloz 20:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Deletion log

Maybe related, in deletion log entries you get a link to RFD on s:, but that page doesn't exist, you probably wanted w: or m:. I've updated the three soft redirects Help:Array etc. here as discussed in your Meta RFD. -- Omniplex 16:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out; I've restored and deleted the category with the typo corrected. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 19:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi, Pathoschild; this question was asked at WP:AN/I and I don't actually know the answer. Your deletion summary suggests a categorization problem, but why delete it? You can comment at AN/I if you like. Thanks. Chick Bowen 18:06, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello Chick Bowen. The userpage and the talk page each contained a block template, which placed MutterErde in the relevant category twice. Since the user was indefinitely blocked and no longer needed a user page, I simply deleted one page in favour of the other. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 23:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
OK, makes sense. Thanks. Chick Bowen 23:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 14:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Pathoschild/Projects/Schism - does this really need to be deleted?

I just came across this, looking into the change of VIP to AIV etc, and was surprised to see it deleted. It doesn't seem particuarly necessary to hide that minor bit of history from non-admins, so I thought I'd ask if you'd mind if I undeleted it. Thanks greatly for doing that project, btw. JesseW, the juggling janitor 07:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I just restored it; it was deleted in one of my routine purges of outdated or unneeded subpages. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 19:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Comments related to editor actions

Fair use image removed

Hey Shanel. Please note that I've removed Squid.jpg from your page, originally placed by KnowledgeOfSelf on 04 April 2006. Its use on your userpage did not qualify as fair use under copyright law; see Wikipedia's Fair use policy. Sorry. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 08:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I was waiting for that. ;)--Shanel § 23:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Reset template

Hi. Thankyou for your thoughts regarding the {{Reset}} template, however the wording used had to meet certain legal requirements and had been cleared by the relevant people. As such, it should not be amended. --Vamp:Willow 15:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

User Page Blanking

Thanks for doing this to User:Vinnie von Go, but I don't kow what the policy is for user pages and talk pages for sock puppets. More sock puppets for this user are listed at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Braaad, but I've also got a CheckUser request in for another suspected sock puppet. Again, thanks. McNeight 22:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

There is no specific policy for such user pages that I'm aware of. Many users (myself included) believe that such user pages exist only to note and explain the indefinite block, and that the user no longer has the right to customise those pages. Further, user pages containing babel boxes decrease the usefulness of the language categories by populating them with inactive users. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 22:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

RE: Public Posting of Private Logs.

Please do not publicly post logs from IRC channels that have a clear privacy policy prohibiting this. This includes posting logs across multiple pages, as you are doing on user talk pages. It is counterproductive to publicly post logs in order to request users' permission to publicly post logs; please contact them privately or describe the logs you wish to post ("...from the discussion concerning <subject> on <timestamp>"). Thanks. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 20:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
The policy you refer to was just added overnight SPECIFICALLY as a excuse to stop my discussion about CVU, on Wikipedia and otherwise. I re-added the logs. --Avillia 20:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
The privacy policy was updated to make it explicit. However, logging of such channels are widely considered private by default. For example, m:IRC channels (which you cited as proof of permission for public logging) states, "Some channels may be publicly logged. Although all channels may be privately logged, many of have a policy that channel logs must not be published." Channels which allow public logging are denoted as such in the notes column; this is not so for the channel in question. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 20:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Errors in semiautomated image replacements

Hello Ed g2s. Please note that I've reverted a few edits where you accidentally replaced :Image:Info-pictogram.png with :Image:Image:Exquisite-khelpcenter.png. In particular, see oldIDs 24925547, 24930157 39429433, 41716990. If this is a problem with your patterns, you might want to tweak them to correct the problem. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 14:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Damn. ed g2stalk 14:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Fixed - it was just a few of them, bad rules. Thanks, ed g2stalk 14:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 14:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Template:Big Brother housemates

Thanks for all your work in fixing this :) -- 9cds(talk) 07:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

You're very welcome. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 07:38, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi. Re the two /Newstuff subpages transcluded onto "certain articles" please really really really do not touch them as there are, ahem, "external considerations" regarding the text of them. Ta ;-P --Vamp:Willow 09:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that has been vaguely hinted at. I originally reformatted it without touching the text, then reverted myself after a few moments reconsideration. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 14:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Extinctioners Page


please, lets talk, this is my first page, I'm a novice, I spent alot of time on it, I was shocked at the changes, your version has a ton of empty spaces which I can't stand to see, I would like to perhaps combine certain aspects of both of our pages but please, ok, my e-mail address is, if you think there are too many picture (which your probably right, I kinda got carried away with it, I just love having multiple visual images from different perspectives, but if most need to go then I want AT LEAST 2 PICS PER CHARACTER, OK) lets talk about it and decide which one are of little use, my reason why it was put there, your reson why it should go, which ones can stay, but once agian, (ok, i'm repetative), lets talk about it, OK, hey wait a minute, where the pic a violation or something?

I have been thinking for an hour and I have an idea, if you can't agree on anything, I will create another version of my Extinctioners page with a 2 picture limit per character, so what do you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 02:19, May 11, 2006.

Hello RVDDP2501. Images on Wikipedia serve only to illustrate the subject, which is more than sufficiently accomplished by a single image per character. The layout further becomes extremely messy with too many images, as they overlap in higher resolutions where the text is stretched out. For a demonstration of this, see Extinctioners image overload (Wikipedia).gif on my wiki.
If you would like to create an image gallery, see the Wikicommons, the Foundation's project for images (subject to the project scope). If you create a gallery there, you could then link to it from the article. However, please note that creating a second version of the page is unacceptable, and violates the guideline on content forking. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 02:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
ok, listen I have JUST edited the article, what do you think, and what and why would I create another article? what do you mean. Plus how do I create a gallery on this "Wikicommons", remember, I'm very much new to this, I would like and would really appreciate your help
uh, I just tried to create an artilce but it said: Copyright violations will be deleted! I hereby assert that I am the creator of this contribution and/or it does not violate any third party rights. I agree to publish this text under the GNU Free Documentation License. Please don't submit encyclopedic articles here but in Wikipedia.
but I'm not the creator, what do I do? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 12:42, May 11, 2006.
It looks much better now. However, I just noticed that you tagged the images as fair use. Fair use images have several complications, as described by our Fair use policy. The easiest solution is to request that the author relicense the images, as described by the Request for permission page. Otherwise, most of those images will need to be deleted as beyond the scope of fair use. Feel free to reply if you have questions on how to do so. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 18:20, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm very confused, please tell me what I must do before they are deleted! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 20:39, May 11, 2006.

OK, I have found the e-mail address for the creator, I just want to confirm with you if this is what I sould say:

Dear Mr. Howard,

I really liked your Extinctioner website! I found it very informative and useful. I'd love to use it in a project I'm involved with called Wikipedia, so I'm seeking your permission. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia that is collaboratively edited by volunteers from around the world.

I'd like to include your materials in this article To get a sense of the freedom of Wikipedia, you could even edit this right now, even without formally registering.

We can only use your materials if you are willing to grant permission for this under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. This means that anyone will have the right to share and, where appropriate, to update your material. You can read this license in full at: (NB To keep things simple, we don't use Invariant Sections, Front-Cover Texts, or Back-Cover Texts)

The license expressly protects authors "from being considered responsible for modifications made by others" while ensuring that authors get credit for their work. There is more information on our copyright policy at:

If you agree, we will credit you for your work in the resulting article's references section by stating that it was based on your work and is used with your permission, and by providing a web link back to:

Thank you for your time; I look forward to your response.


Daniel Fitzwilliam

well, is that or or is that a terrible idea? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 20:54, May 11, 2006.

Yes, that is the correct template. I would suggest using the following version, which I improved over the template.

Dear Mr. Howard,

I really liked your Extinctioners website, and found it very informative and useful. I'd love to use it in Wikipedia, a collaboratively written free encyclopedia located at <>. I'd like to include the images, in particular, in the article located at <>.

However, I can only do so if you are willing to release your images under a license compatible with the GNU Free Documentation license, as described by Wikipedia's copyright policy at <>. This means that anyone will have the right to share the images, but will be required to give you full credit. You can read the license itself at <>; note that we don't use the Invariant Sections, Front-Cover Texts, or Back-Cover Texts sections.

If you agree, we will credit you for your work by noting that you are the author of the images, and provide a link to your website at <>. If you have any questions, you can email users more experienced with copyright concerns than I at <>. Thank you for your time.

Yours sincerely,
Daniel Fitzwilliam

If you recieve permission, please forward the email to Feel free to relay any questions or comments in his response to me, if you're not sure how to respond. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 21:38, May 11, 2006.
OK, I just sent the e-mail, but what if he doesn't respond and how exactly do I forward the e-mail if he does respond to the address you have given? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 21:47, May 11, 2006.
You're very welcome. If he doesn't respond, the number of images on the page will need to be reduced to the strict minimum needed to describe the subject (one image per character). If he does respond, most email clients have a "forward" feature you can use. Alternately, reply and change the value in the address field to Remember to sign your comments on Wikipedia talk pages by adding ~~~~ after them. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
ok, ok, I see, so if he doesn't, what is the bare minimum then for the image size and which pic do you prefer, the color or the black & white ones?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 21:56, May 11, 2006.
Images in articles should usually have the "thumb" attribute with no explicit size. This is because users can customise the size of thumbnails in articles from their preferences. Personally, I think the colour images illustrate the characters much better. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
OH NO, THE E-MAIL WAS UNDELIVERABLE, WHAT DO I DO?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 21:58, May 11, 2006.
What address did you email? According to the domain whois, the author's email address is // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 22:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
ok, its been sent, i hope it works, I'm really sorry to keep taking up your time or my article,once more, sorry —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 22:16, May 11, 2006.
No problem. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 22:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

ok, you said that thae minimum was the thumb attribute with no explicit size so that means just remove the size e.g. 135px or is there something else I must do? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 22:22, May 11, 2006.

Nope, that's all you need to do. So, for example, [[Image:Exgroup.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Extinctioners]] would become [[Image:Exgroup.jpg|thumb|right|Extinctioners]]. This is preferred to explicit sizes, since some users may want bigger (or smaller) images in articles as set in their preferences. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 22:28, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
ok, I just did a test an several pic and the group was reduced to an insanely small size while the color shot of each character blew up fairly big? so what must I do?
Ah, the problem is that they are not equal on all sides. The software measures the width, not the height. In those cases, feel free to use your judgement; other editors will tweak the sizes as well. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 22:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
OK, so IF i dont get permission within say the next two days, I have your permission to remove the B&W character pics (unless its ok with you to keep) and removing the size info from each of the colors AND if they are really messed up (too big or too small, I once more have your concent to tweak at my own disgression, correct? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 22:48, May 11, 2006.
You don't need my permission for any of that; although I'm an administrator, I do not have any more power or status than you. Administrators just have more access to the wiki, and sometimes a better grasp of policies and guidelines. Feel free to edit the page as you wish, within the rules, and others will edit it as well. The synthesis of everyone's edits usually results in an article that everyone is more or less happy about. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 22:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I really am thankful for your assistance in everything, info, etc. and I really want to do thing here "by the book", not bending guideline and rules, as you know this is my first time, and I hate to make peole angry by abusing rule and regulations, I hope to get the permission soon just to make it offical and so on, I hope you like the page by the way, once more, thank you.

D. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 23:01, May 11, 2006.

You're very welcome. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 23:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Pathoschild, the Creator of Extinctioners replied, I can't remember how you said to forward it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 20:36, May 12, 2006.
OK, the responce e-mail has been forwarded, please let me know when you get it and what I must do after that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 20:47, May 12, 2006.
Yep, we received confirmation. I've updated the copyright status on all the images appropriately. You're free to use those images now. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again for everything and once more , sorry to have taken up your time over this subject. but I have a question, suppose I were to remove a pic and (unlikely) replace it with another, new pic, how would I go about getting a licence? do I just use the info from another licenced Extinctioner pic or is that the worst possible idea and should not even attempt? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 01:40, May 13, 2006.

That depends on the origin. Most images are copyrighted and can only be used as fair use, which is discouraged. If the new image is from the same series as the current images, you can probably use the same license as the other images. There is a list of license templates that you can refer to, but that page can be complicated for someone who isn't familiar with copyright. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 02:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
ok, that answers my question because every single pic the was on my page originaly came from Shawntae Howard, so if I wanted to replace a current pic with one that was removed then, I can just use the licence information on the new one(s), correct? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 11:52, May 13, 2006.
I assume so; the artist gave a general permission regarding images used in the article. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 17:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 18:17, May 13, 2006.

Welcome. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 18:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Extinctioners Page idea - Hey Pathoschild, would it be a horrible idea if I added this to the page

or should I not even bother? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RVDDP2501 (talkcontribs) 16:52, May 19, 2006.


Hi. I noticed you made some edits to the template above, so I thought you might be the right person to help me. For the last few days, the template is coming up in articles with the "hide" link showing, but the actual content hidden. So I have to click hide and then click show in order to see the rest of the template. I don't know if this has anything to do with your edits or not, but I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at it. (Replies on this page please) -- Hirudo 13:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

That has nothing to do with my edits, so far as I know. I've looked at the code and I don't see why it's doing that; I've simplified the code, and I'll play around with it more later. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 18:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Could the edits you made to {{hidden}} be responsible for this bug? Even if not, could you look into this template and fix it? Conscious 06:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Afd Template

Hello. I see you made some recent changes to the Afd template, so you might be the best person to answer, as I'm not familair with the non-subst messages, but if you look at Wikipedia:Deletion policy, the {{afd}} template is transcluded there (I guess to keep the message up to date) but is currently broken. (An anon has tried to fix it (incorrectly as it happens) by subst'd it, but that's non-ideal in the long run. Just thought you'd like to know :) Regards, MartinRe 16:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I've fixed the problem, and also corrected the glitch which was hiding the rest of the page content. Thanks for pointing it out. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 17:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Articles containing fair use images

Hi, Category:Articles containing fair use images is a great idea! Populating it will be a pain in the neck, though, unless there's a bot to do it. Angr (tc) 07:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Sorry for the late response; I got caught up in some pet projects and forgot. Yes, I intend to have Pathosbot tag articles containing fair use images sometime in the future. This will also help find userpages and templates containing fair use images in violation of the Fair use policy. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 14:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


Hey Pathos,

As you were the last person to play with this template, take a look at User:Sniggins. Something doesn't look right... And yes before you tell me off I know I should have subst: the template ;-) , but I didn't so I could show you the error. Petros471 20:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Yep, the template must be substituted. I just implemented a PaserFunction check to make sure that users do so. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 22:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

New blocked template

Hello Jtdirl. I noticed you created {{blocked user}}, since the pagename happens to be on my watchlist. It seems to be redundant with {{SockpuppetBlock}} and various other templates; perhaps they should be merged? // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 00:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
It is specifically for use for hardbanned users. No template fits that space so I created it. It isn't for use just for sockpuppets of blocked users. Bans are more severe and carry more repercusions than mere blocks. None of the templates that existed explained the repercussions of being banned rather than merely blocked. This one spells it out explicitly and is needed. FearÉIREANNImage:Ireland-Capitals.PNG\(caint) 00:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I would prefer that this be merged into the sockpuppet template as a conditional possibility, which would simplify usage and organisation. I don't much care either way, though. However, a block and a ban are rather different; would not {{banned sockpuppet}} or some such be more appropriate? // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 00:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
It is a different type of template. It doesn't simply say you are blocked as "x" but explains to both the user and visitors to the page the implications of being banned rather than blocked. (Put simply, a blocked user is entitled to edit their own page. A banned user cannot edit anything. A blocked user's edits may be reverted. A banned user's edits have to be reverted on sight. The templates in question don't convey anything much more than basic information. That simply isn't enough in the case of banned users. When they keep coming back the requirements of the ban have to be spelt out clearly and unambiguously. So a merger would defeat the whole purpose. FearÉIREANNImage:Ireland-Capitals.PNG\(caint) 00:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
The content of a template can easily be switched on substitution using ParserFunctions; see a (slightly more complex) example at User talk:Pathoschild/Sandbox2. As I've said, I don't particularly mind if it's a seperate template; on the other hand, I think the current page title is problematic because it ambiguates between a ban and a block; not every blocked user is banned. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 00:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I meant to explain also that the template is aimed specifically at the individual, not merely stating that they are a sockpuppet. It explicitly states the background to them, to leave them in no doubt as to the nature of their block and its implications. FearÉIREANNImage:Ireland-Capitals.PNG\(caint) 21:50, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Imposters of Cool Cat

you suggested a rename of the category but I do not see it listed on rename requests page. Maybe you had forgotten to do that? I like the rename idea. --Cat out 13:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Nope, it's not my suggestion. A bot tagged the parent category Wikipedia:Blocked imposters for renaming, but placed the tag outside the noinclude section. Because of this, the tag appeared on all the subcategories, which transclude the parent category as a template. I've corrected that. ;) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 14:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


Hello Sunfazer. You blanket-reverted Template:Indefblockuser twice without explanation1,2. The reverted version integrates a significant number of changes, including a new categorisation system, a substitution check, alternate categorisation switches, and a new nosubst override, as well as a very minor redesign. Since you have reverted twice, I assume you have some rationale that you have not specified. Which particular changes do you disagree with? // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
The reason I changed it was: it looked odd. The new category is better, but not the template. --Sunfazer | Talk 21:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
The only difference that I can see is that it is slightly wider; is that you're referring to? // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
The width didn't look right; but the rest is fine. The WoW and NPOV templates are uniform size. --Sunfazer | Talk 21:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I've reverted and removed the explicit width attribute, so that the default CSS class is used (the template originally used a hackish 40% width). Does that look better? // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
That's OK, new template is fine. --Sunfazer | Talk 21:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the input. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:50, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

(See the diff. -- ADNghiem501 01:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC))

Blanking warnings?

Can you tell me why you're going around on various anon IP talk pages and blanking old warnings? Is there an established reason for doing this? It seems like the extra edit is probably just unnecessary database clutter and the old warnings could always still be relevant. --Cyde Weys 02:02, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The warnings date from several months ago and target a shared proxy. The warnings will be read by users other than their intended target, and these users often react with confusion and anger at what are perceived as baseless accusations, despite the prominent sharedip notice. This is so common that the email response team has a form response specifically written for the angry or concerned emails concerning such messages. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 02:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Subcategorisation rollbacks

Hello Jayjg. I see you rolled back my edits to several Wik sockpuppet pages1, which are currently triple-categorised to both sockpuppet categories and the parent category. Is there any particular reason for this, or do you simply disagree with the particular template2 I applied? // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 14:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like all the sockpuppets to be on one page, and it's important that the ones you've edited go in in the order given. Jayjg (talk) 17:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't see what the problem is, in that case; the more specific template should categorise them to Wikipedia:Sock puppets of Wik in the same order. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 01:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Again, please stop removing those specific sockpuppets from the huge list of suspected Wik socks, and specifically please stop removing the order they are in. If you wish to know the reason, e-mail me, but please stop making this change. Jayjg (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I am, in fact, adding them to a list of Wik sockpuppets. They are currently double-categorised to Wikipedia:Indefinitely blocked users, which is a top-level category, shouldn't contain pages, and is deprecated by Indefinitely blocked Wikipedia users. They are tagged with the generic administrator-judgement block template, rather than the more appropriate sockpuppet block template. The message spelled out by the names should be maintained even if they are correctly subcategorised.
If you absolutely must guard your favourite version and flout discussion, please at least correct the redundant and erroneous categorisation. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 00:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi, it looks like you did some tweaking to {{Afd}} (I confess not to understanding what, but something to do with hidden stuff). Right now, at least for me, the stuff that should be hidden on subst isn't - check out Universal Drugstore, for which I had to manually zap the big chunk of extra code which was showing up. Could it be a browser issue (I'm using firefox)? Thanks. Middenface 22:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

The show/hide functionality seems to work correctly in oldid 54789564 and when I subst AFD. Perhaps it's a problem related to your cache? // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 02:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


TfD nomination of Template:DIAR proposal

Template:DIAR proposal has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. John Reid 00:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me; I've commented in the discussion. // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 06:52, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Happy Easter

[[w:Image:Egg dekorerte.jpg|right|thumb|But I found some decorated eggs, not quite as tasty as the golden bunnys though. --Alf melmac 16:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)]] Everyone else seems to have stolen all the good Easter pictures and stuff, but I wish you a Happy Easter all the same. FireFoxT [16:08, 16 April 2006]

RfA thanks from Petros471

For a more general RfA thanks to all voters see User:Petros471/RFA Thanks.

Even though you didn't vote, thanks- as they say: "It's the thought that counts". Petros471 21:15, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your promotion. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 22:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Pathosbot approved for flag

Your bot, Pathosbot (talkcontribspage movesblock userblock log), has been approved for a bot flag. Please ask a bureaucrat to grant bot status. Thanks. Rob Church (talk) 16:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me; the bot has already been flagged. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 16:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Help finding the explaination

Hi. I'm just looking for an explaination because I can't find one and I can't seem to get any replies either explaining why the newer Teh Scene article was deleted. Please see: the Teh Scene discussion page and Chairboy's talk page.

If you could also please tell me why the article of the original show The Scene is still up? It's very short like my deleted article. --Unbreakable_MJ 17:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello Unbreakable MJ. The article was subject to a discussion for deletion in August 2005 which resulted in a nearly unanimous vote to delete. If you would like the deletion to be reconsidered, please read Wikipedia's policy on notability and begin a discussion at Deletion review. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 18:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

User pages

Stupid question, what's that business with Pathosschild/s vs. Pathoschild/r both redirected to Pathoschild? For the .../s I guessed that it's a kind of role account s=sysop, but now you're going to the trouble of fixing old talk pages with .../r, and I'm curious. Is that related to the project on your user map with a defunct wp-link? -- Omniplex 23:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Close, but not quite. The subpage redirects organise and streamline the whalinkshere feature for my userpage, grouping together any links that are added en masse. Any link that is added by my signature redirects from /s, and any inline reference to me (such as, "I noticed Pathoschild edits Wikipedia") redirects from /r. The end-goal is to divide meaningful incoming links (the direct links) from the meaningless or trivial links (the subpage redirects).
Since I began doing this relatively late in my time on Wikipedia, there are still plenty of pages to update. It's a task I perform now and then when I'm bored of other tasks. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 19:12, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Anime lists

As per the principle of Equivalent Trade...

--Cat out 16:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Whee. I'll expand the pages sometime. :) // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 16:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


I was wondering the same thing for my User page. Either way, I don't even understand why I was blocked in the first place. Other than that some idiot named Rhobite seems to have a hard time dealing with defeat and reality. 22:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I assume you were blocked for edits such as the addition of "enormous asshole" to user pages. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 23:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Copyright questions

You contacted me before about a copyright issue. Is there someone I can use a a copyright expert? These are the pages in question :Image:Rbreich.jpg and Talk:Richard Whitney (artist). Thanks. --evrik 15:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I can often answer copyright-related questions; what is the issue? Permission has indeed been recieved under ticket #2006042610016658. If you want truly expert advice, ask for BradP (and I think sannse as well) in #wikimedia; those users are intellectual property lawyers. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 01:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Butterfly and moon.png

Hi, I like Image:Butterfly and moon.png. You mention it would've been a 1.5MB SVG. Is there such a thing as gzipped SVG? Does MediaWiki support it? Cheers, --unforgettableid | talk to me 21:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there is such a thing as gzipped SVG. I don't know whether MediaWiki supports it, though. I'll find the file in my archives sometime and give it a try. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 19:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia:Blocked imposters

Before I go clearing out this category of it's individual pages, am I right to assume this category is going to be deleted and replaced with Category:Wikipedia blocked imposters? DGX 17:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Yep, and most of the pages have already been recategorised. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 00:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)