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This is the Wikivoyage Lounge on Meta where we discuss the Wikivoyage project in general and issues related to one language version. Old discussions are archived.

Monthly reports from each edition of the one and only Wikivoyage, the English Wikivoyage can be found on the Summit page.


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Banners[edit]

Which projects do actually use pagebanners? I am aware about English, French, and Russian. Any others? Any plans to introduce banners in other versions?--Ymblanter (talk) 19:20, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Lang Using pagebanner Usage (pagebanners / destinations[articles?]) Notes/discussions/projects (fill out yourself)
de 30 - Discussion
el 96 ~0.52 Περίπτερο επισκεπτών
en voy:Category:Has_banner
3,059 custom, 22,728 default, 25878 total as of 8 Aug 2013
voy:Wikivoyage:Banner_Expedition#Progress
99.7% of main space articles have banners
18.3% have custom banners as of 27 August 2013
voy:Wikivoyage:Banner_Expedition
voy:Wikivoyage talk:Banner Expedition
(...Others?...)
es 1743
(1 October 2014)
99,6 % of main space articles have banners La posada, etc.
fr 6194 100 % (65,9 % with a personnalised banner) Café des Voyageurs, etc.
he 2121 2121/2145 ~98%
it 999 (100% custom banner - no default banner has been implemented) (9 August 2013) 999/3071 ~33% (9 August 2013) it:voy:Wikivoyage:Lounge/Archivio/2013/07#Pagebanner etc.
nl Negligible (~0) ~0 Reizigerscafé
pl 0 (?) 0  ?
pt 330 custom banners, default banner in all other articles 100% implementation, roughly 10% with custom banners pt:voy:Wikivoyage:Banners
ro 0 (?) 0  ?
ru 265 100% default banners, roughly 12% custom banners Пивная путешественников (2013), original
sv 2 custom banners, default banner in all other articles  ? Banners active since 2015
uk 352 (incl. default) ? too bored to compute Кнайпа, etc.?
vi used in all articles (per Wikivoyage/Summit#vi)  ?  ?
zh voy:zh:Category:使用横幅条目 959 total 100% implementation 72.2% with custom banners voy:zh:Wikivoyage:横幅远征队

Feel free to update/fix this, and add links to discussions and local expeditions. PiRSquared17 (talk) 01:17, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Great, thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:59, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
en: is up to date. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:18, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
it: updated as well. --Andyrom75 (talk) 07:51, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
pt: updated. Texugo (talk) 19:39, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
zh: added. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 10:44, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
sv: added. -- Dan Koehl (talk) 21:02, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
de: updated. -- FriedhelmW (talk) 14:56, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
he: updated. -- Dekel E (talk) 10:01, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
fr: updated. --Omondi (talk) 09:42, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata for listings![edit]

Great news: Wikidata will be available for listings soon! (May 19th at the English Wikivoyage)

This will allow our Wikivoyages to collaborate much more than before. If you don't have it already, add a "wikidata" property to your listings templates.

Many Wikidata items already contain name, coordinates, website, social media accounts, address, image, Wikipedia page, etc. Let's reuse these properties, and contribute them to Wikidata when missing! :-) Example: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19675

Cheers! User:Syced (talk) 08:45, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Syced (or Nicholas, or whichever you wanna call yourself :-P). One question. Is now possible from a page whose istance is Qxxxxx to access to information stored on an instance Qyyyyy? In the past this wasn't possible due to a bug never solved. Let me know, --Andyrom75 (talk) 04:32, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
That is what will be deployed May 19th on the English Wikivoyage. It will come to other Wikivoyages soon. --Rschen7754 04:35, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
And English Wikivoyage has had two discussions (one, two) on this topic, but they were not very insightful. --Alexander (talk) 08:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Excellent news! Thanks for the information. It's long time that I was waiting for this enhancement. Do you know which would be the schedule for it:voy? --Andyrom75 (talk) 07:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Not yet known, certainly not before beginning of June.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
It has been deployed, and it is working well! See the "National Art Center Tokyo" listing at https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Tokyo/Roppongi#See : the URL and the dynamic map thumbnail image come from that museum's own Wikidata item. Also, we are adding a wikidata="Qxxxx" parameter in our listings. Please do it too, so that we can start sharing (or at least detecting discrepancies) as soon as possible :-) Cheers! Syced (talk) 07:12, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Syced, I'm quite sure that you have already noticed the issues on the dynamic map (missing name on the pop-up and image not working). Any remedy? --Andyrom75 (talk) 23:15, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I exchanged emails with Mey2008 to try and find a solution. In my opinion, the easiest (even though not the cleanest) solution would be for PoiMap2.php to parse the generated HTML instead of parsing the wikicode. The only thing missing would be listings images; but that could be solved by modifying the template to write the image name as an HTML comment. Syced (talk) 07:52, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

In French we have a lot of links to wikipedia in the listings, it could be good to find a way to change the parameter wikipedia (wikipédia=name of the page) to wikidata parameter (wikidata=Qxxxx). Does it exist a bot witch is able to do such a job? --Adehertogh (talk) 16:26, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

It is rather straight-forward to write one. However, you will also need a Lua script that reads the Wikipedia link from the Wikidata card. We have to do it at some point. --Alexander (talk) 21:16, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Wouldn't the idea be to add the new field, without removing or modifying what's already in the Wikipédia field? K7L (talk) 13:39, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikivoyage offline on your phone[edit]

Wikivoyage on Android! Get it from Google Play Store now!

  • 100% offline, a must when travelling
  • Works out-of-the-box
  • Whole world, only 918MB including maps/images
  • Click on a POI to open it in your GPS app

For now it is only the English Wikivoyage, but other languages should follow soon.

Please report any bug. This app has a huge potential: Once the app is rock-solid, it might become a way to attract new editors to Wikivoyage. But first we need your feedback! Currently known issues: 1) Welcome page is broken 2) Articles have no table of contents 3) Large images/maps are off to the left Syced (talk) 08:00, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikimania 2015[edit]

There is any wikivoyager that will take part of WM2015? --Andyrom75 (talk) 20:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I am not. --Zerabat (discusión) 13:31, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Alert live mirror![edit]

I've just discovered a live mirror of Wikivoyage (...from a certain point of view we should be proud about it ;-)). It will steal our visitors and it could steal also the passwords of not skilled users.

To defend ourself I suggest to apply the following changes:

  1. Create the equivalent page of it:voy:Wikivoyage:Live mirror
  2. Apply this change to MediaWiki:Common.js

--Andyrom75 (talk) 22:47, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for drawing our attention to this! Can we figure out who launched such a mirror? --Alexander (talk) 14:41, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Alexander, I have no idea, you can look with whois tool to get more information about that site. In the past years it has happened many times to Wikipedia and some of them are still active. PS This mirror, clone all the wiki-projects. --Andyrom75 (talk) 16:25, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Indeed it is worrying, specially if the site gets passwords of unwary users. I will notify this to the Spanish's Travellers' pub. --Zerabat (discusión) 13:03, 21 July 2015 (UTC) PD: notified to the Spanish community: voy:es:Special:Diff/116317. --Zerabat (discusión) 13:14, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Created voy:es:Wikiviajes:Espejo. Greetings, --White Master (es) 14:15, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

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Please report it at Live mirrors. AHeneen (talk) 06:37, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Recent changes on en: that might be useful for other languages[edit]

There have been two recent changes on English Wikivoyage that other language versions might be interested in:

  1. The listing editor has been significantly updated. See voy:en:Wikivoyage:Listing editor#Changelog for a list of all changes. The code at voy:en:MediaWiki:Gadget-ListingEditor.js has been heavily commented to hopefully make it easier to customize for other languages, and if anyone is interested I can help to port things. An untested sample implementation for Italian Wikivoyage can be viewed at voy:en:User:Wrh2/Gadget-ListingEditor-it.js
  2. The page banner is now using the new mw:Extension:WikidataPageBanner extension. This extension allows smaller files to be downloaded on mobile devices and enables a drop-down table of contents so that sub-headings are again navigable. Any language wanting to use this extension would need to request that it be enabled via a phabricator: ticket.

While language issues and different community preferences make it difficult to coordinate between Wikivoyage language versions, if any other language versions would like to try to consolidate the different listing editors and banner implementations in use across projects I'm willing to help coordinate. -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:20, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Ryan, I already talked about pagebanner extension with some WMF staff linked to it in order to deploy it to eswikivoyage, but seems that it was forgotten. I will open a community discussion to request input on the deployment of this extension, which I consider essential to wikivoyage mobile. Regarding Listing Editor v2, by now no one has manifested interest to take the job. --Zerabat (discusión) 14:14, 3 January 2016 (UTC) S

Violation of CC-BY-SA License by Wikitravel regarding Template:Pagebanner[edit]

March 20, 2013, users of English Wikivoyage created the template Pagebanner. July 3, 2014, an user of Wikitravel created the template with the same code as the enwikivoyage version as March 30, 2014 (I guess they used Export feature of enwikivoyage in order to create their local copy, as you can see an edit by a bot previously the creation of the template).

This issue was noticed by annonymous users, that complained it in the talk page. But this was ignored by one IB employee and the other blanked and fully protected the talk page.

Today and since that time, neither in its history page, template page, documentation subpage nor talk page, hadn't the proper attribution to their author and license. Then, What's up? Is this going to go on? --Zerabat (discusión) 22:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I think it is reasonable to try to contact WMF legal.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:07, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
It looks to me that Special:Log/Import on their site attributes this particular infringement to a staff member, not some random user:
  • 00:26, 3 March 2015 IBcaldera (Talk | contribs) imported Template:Purge by file upload (2 revisions)
  • 00:26, 3 March 2015 IBcaldera (Talk | contribs) imported Template:Pagebanner/doc by file upload (4 revisions)
  • 00:26, 3 March 2015 IBcaldera (Talk | contribs) imported Template:Documentation subpage by file upload (2 revisions)
  • 00:26, 3 March 2015 IBcaldera (Talk | contribs) imported Template:Documentation/docname by file upload (2 revisions)
  • 00:26, 3 March 2015 IBcaldera (Talk | contribs) imported Template:Documentation by file upload (2 revisions)
  • 00:26, 3 March 2015 IBcaldera (Talk | contribs) imported Template:Pagebanner by file upload (26 revisions)
This has been going on for a year now? K7L (talk) 19:53, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Experiences with Wikivoyage writing workshops[edit]

Hi everyone,

I've a general request. Does anybody have experiences with Wikivoyage writing workshops? I imagine it as a place where authors and people who haven't contributed to any wikis yet meet. They write travel guides about their city, take pictures and publish it on Wikivoyage. Did anything similar to this happened so far? How was it? What did you learn out of it? Pointing me to related discussions and pages would also be nice.

Warm regards, — T.seppelt (talk) 18:30, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

We planned one writing workshop at the WikiCon 2015 in Cologne, but as it was announced too late, noone attended. :-/ I think, of course with more time for planning, that conferences of the wikimedia movement are a good place to begin. There you are able to reach out to wikipedians, who haven't thought about Wikivoyage that much, but also to those, who have prejudices. --Timmaexx (talk) 20:29, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Maps for Wikivoyage[edit]

Dear Wikivoyage community, I would like to update you on the progress with our Maps efforts, and make a small request.

Our maps service has been running without problems for many months. It is a stable and secure map tile platform, capable of much higher web traffic than our current labs OSM service, which is slow, unmaintained, and has crashed on numerous occasions. You may include new maps on every Wikivoyage page without causing any server overload problems.

Very soon we plan to roll out Kartographer extension to Wikivoyage. You can try it here. Kartographer supports many styles of marks, with icons and auto-numbering. Kartographer also has Visual Editor support.

While we are getting ready for the release of Kartographer, we are asking the community to help switch to this new maps tile service. The English and Russian Wikivoyage projects have already moved to this service (Here's an example - Albany). With the benefits we mentioned, we are asking projects to switch for one important reason. Right now, any visitor viewing a page that contains a map not hosted by the WMF sends information to a third-party (for example, Mapquest). This violates our privacy policy. Visitors may choose to switch to an external map, but they should be aware of that decision. For more information, please see the discussion below about this important topic at the English Wikivoyage.

The Wikimedia Maps service may not be perfect, but we think it is important to not compromise user's privacy by just visiting a page.

There are two places that need to change:

  • In the Template:Mapframe, change data-layer="{{{...|O}}}" to data-layer="W".
  • In the Template:PoiMap2, change &layer={{{...|M}}}& to &layer=W&.

The new maps service will be further improved with the upcoming Kartographer extension. While we are not ready to deploy Kartographer just yet, we also ask to help review the extension ahead of time. Please help review Kartographer extension documentation and our demo, and see if it meets your needs, or if anything should be changed. Please leave us a note on the Kartographer extension talk page if you have any feedback.

Relevant discussions at English Wikivoyage

CC: CKoerner (WMF). --Yurik (talk) 02:27, 24 February 2016 (UTC)