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Isn't the date of the update automatic? FR: La date de la mise à jour n'est elle pas automatique ?
Isn't the date of the update automatic? Hello, I have just made my first contributions to Wikivoyage but the date of the last update of the geographical areas I worked on (Saly, Ngaparou, Touba) have not changed (it is the date of the 2018 update that always appears). Can I have an answer to this please? Thank you. FR: Bonjour, je viens de faire mes premières contributions dans Wikivoyage mais la date de la dernière mise à jour des zones géographiques sur lesquelles j'ai travaillé (Saly, Ngaparou, Touba) n'ont pas changé (c'est la date de la mise à jour de 2018 qui apparait toujours). Puis je avoir une explication par rapport à cela s'il vous plait ? Merci. Ourytima (talk) 22:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Open letter to WMF to improve Wikimedia Commons
There is an open letter to WMF about Wikimedia Commons. If you are interested (or frustrated about commons as I am) take a look: Think big - open letter about Wikimedia Commons -- DerFussi 11:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
External copyvio site
Hi, Wikivoyagers.
Just as an FYI, I found a mirror site of Wikivoyage a few days ago: Traveler and Free. This one is a mirror site of all of our language editions, which updates in real time.
It's not copyleft-compliant: there's no credit given to WV, and each page has a fraudulent copyright symbol on it. The site's terms of service are an interesting read too.
There seems to be real people behind it, rather than bots, as the same site hosts a blog that appears to be original content not found elsewhere on the Web.
On Monday, I sent an email to the address listed on their contact page requesting they comply with copyleft or delete their stolen content. I have also notified Wikimedia Legal.
I will let you know if there are any developments. In the meantime, if you have any suggestions, or wish to contact Legal yourself in order to make this more of a priority for them, please be my guest.
Thanks, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- At first it looks like an ordinary mirror, but I then turned off my ad blocker as experiment, and noticed they are inserting advertisements all over the articles -- including between listings. So it appears they're not only mirroring the content but also trying to earn some cash with it.
- I'm rather curious how they implement the real-time mirroring on a technical level without access to any APIs, though. ArticCynda (talk) 21:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Unlike the Travel Wiki that shall not be named, the ads didn't seem to cause any noticeable lag.
- This feels like something lawyers should be all over, but who knows how many of these cases they get sent in a week? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:14, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- The ad placement is rather obnoxious though, inserted in the middle between listings etc. Not at all pleasantly styled.
- I agree that this would probably be low-hanging fruit for copyright lawyers, though on the other hand, because the content is an exact copy of Wikivoyage, it is unlikely such copyvio sites will ever reach useful google search rankings. It doesn't pose an actual threat to Wikivoyage. ArticCynda (talk)
- I don't have an ad-blocker but I couldn't see any ads. To ArticCynda, regarding the content is an exact copy of Wikivoyage, it is unlikely such copyvio sites will ever reach useful google search rankings. It doesn't pose an actual threat to Wikivoyage. A copyvio is a copyvio, whether it's in part or in full. It's a violation of Wikimedia's copyleft license and unless they give proper attribution, it violates the CC-BY SA license, remaining as a copyvio. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 09:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm aware it's copyvio; nobody is disputing that User:SHB2000. Rather what I'm saying is that tackling it shouldn't be on our priority list. Before worrying about other copycat sites, I prefer to focus efforts on our own travel guide. It's much more important that we spend limited human resources on improving Wikivoyage, add new articles and content, and prevent vandals from deleting new content -- the latter has grown increasingly problematic in recent months. ArticCynda (talk)
- "and prevent vandals from deleting new content -- the latter has grown increasingly problematic in recent months." You're talking about us deleting articles you created under your IP sockpuppets (that are banned from editing), right? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 21:33, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- Let's not get diverted, please. Copyright issues are primarily up to the legal department to sort out, given that T&F haven't responded to my email yet and probably won't at all at this stage. There isn't an awful lot the rest of us can do, apart from supporting legal (paid employees of Wikimedia, so not taking volunteers' time away from WV) where possible and making our interest in seeking a resolution known to them. Unfortunately, I haven't received any update from them apart from the initial acknowledgment of receipt.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I do hope they'll eventually get to it. Unfortunately, the WMF also cannot do much since they don't own the copyright but given they cribbed an entire Wikimedia project off, we'll have to see if they're going to take any action against Traveler and Free. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 06:50, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Since the copy appears to be real-time, I suspect they may be retrieving content from Wikivoyage directly rather than hosting a copy. In that case, no copyrighted materials exist on their servers, which makes a case against copyright infringement more difficult from a legal point of view. ArticCynda (talk)
- Whoa, you're right. I'm curious about how the retrieving works.Veracious (talk) 03:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Since the copy appears to be real-time, I suspect they may be retrieving content from Wikivoyage directly rather than hosting a copy. In that case, no copyrighted materials exist on their servers, which makes a case against copyright infringement more difficult from a legal point of view. ArticCynda (talk)
- I do hope they'll eventually get to it. Unfortunately, the WMF also cannot do much since they don't own the copyright but given they cribbed an entire Wikimedia project off, we'll have to see if they're going to take any action against Traveler and Free. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 06:50, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
- Let's not get diverted, please. Copyright issues are primarily up to the legal department to sort out, given that T&F haven't responded to my email yet and probably won't at all at this stage. There isn't an awful lot the rest of us can do, apart from supporting legal (paid employees of Wikimedia, so not taking volunteers' time away from WV) where possible and making our interest in seeking a resolution known to them. Unfortunately, I haven't received any update from them apart from the initial acknowledgment of receipt.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- "and prevent vandals from deleting new content -- the latter has grown increasingly problematic in recent months." You're talking about us deleting articles you created under your IP sockpuppets (that are banned from editing), right? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 21:33, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
- I'm aware it's copyvio; nobody is disputing that User:SHB2000. Rather what I'm saying is that tackling it shouldn't be on our priority list. Before worrying about other copycat sites, I prefer to focus efforts on our own travel guide. It's much more important that we spend limited human resources on improving Wikivoyage, add new articles and content, and prevent vandals from deleting new content -- the latter has grown increasingly problematic in recent months. ArticCynda (talk)
- I don't have an ad-blocker but I couldn't see any ads. To ArticCynda, regarding the content is an exact copy of Wikivoyage, it is unlikely such copyvio sites will ever reach useful google search rankings. It doesn't pose an actual threat to Wikivoyage. A copyvio is a copyvio, whether it's in part or in full. It's a violation of Wikimedia's copyleft license and unless they give proper attribution, it violates the CC-BY SA license, remaining as a copyvio. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 09:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Incorrect speedy tagging
Can someone stop Onwa from incorrectly speedy tagging voy:es:Wikiviajes:GUS2Wiki? (I assume they will revert me again soon) The reason they give is "Página incomprensible y en un idioma distinto al del proyecto." (Incomprehensible page and in a language other than the project), but the page is in Spanish and perfectly comprehensible. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:33, 20 October 2022 (UTC)