User talk:DannyH (WMF)

Re: Crosswatch

Thanks for your notice! Sorry for my misconception.- Earth Saver _(talk) at 03:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Numerical sorting

Please enable it on it.wiki. It had already been requested in [1], and I got a confirmation that since this adds to uca-it, it's indeed desirable. Would have filed a task OC, but Phab's been down for a while now and I didn't want to forget. TY --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 12:58, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks! I filed it in T146675. We're going to wait until we have a few wikis, and then do them at once -- I'll let you know when we're going to run the conversion on it.wiki. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 17:24, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Elitre (WMF), numerical sorting is live now on it.wiki. Here's an example. Let me know if you see any problems. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 19:38, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Numerical sorting on pl.wp

Please enable numerical sorting on the Polish Wikipedia per the discussion: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kawiarenka/Ogólne#Zmiana_konfiguracji_.E2.80.93_w.C5.82.C4.85czenie_poprawnego_sortowania_numerycznego_artyku.C5.82.C3.B3w_na_stronach_kategorii Matma Rex (talk) 18:08, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

@Matma Rex: Thanks! I added Polish WP to the ticket: T146675. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 19:40, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Matma Rex, numerical sorting is now live on plwiki. Here's an example. Let me know if you see any problems. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 23:34, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Enabling numerical sorting on vi.wikipedia

I've followed your instructions and created a discussion on enabling numerical sorting on vi.wikipedia. There have been 18 "support" votes (including mine), with no "oppose" votes. I think that the consensus on my wiki is to enable this feature. —ALittleQuenhi (talk to me) 07:42, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

@Quenhitran:: Great, I'll add you to the ticket: T146675. We're going to get some more wikis on the list, and then we'll do them as a batch. I'll let you know when it's coming up, thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 17:25, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Quenhitran, numerical sorting is now live on viwiki! (Here's an example.) Let me know if you see any problems. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you DannyH (WMF), I've seen the changes and it works great! I've also left a notification on the community's talk page so that other users can experience this feature and report the problems. —ALittleQuenhi (talk to me) 11:05, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Enable numerical sorting in hu@wikipedia

Hi DannyH,

We would like to have uca-hu-u-kn in Hungarian Wikipedia. Community support is here: hu:Wikipédia:Kocsmafal (javaslatok)#Kategóriák numerikus rendezése. Thank you! Bináris ^{tell me} 06:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Bináris, Thanks for the message. I added Hungarian WP to the Phabricator ticket -- we're going to collect some more requests, and then do them as a batch, probably in a few weeks. I'll let you know when it's coming, thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 20:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Bináris, numerical sorting is now live on huwiki! (Here's an example.) Let me know if you see any problems. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 21:59, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Great, thank you very much! Bináris ^{tell me} 18:37, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Enable numeric sorting at no.wikipedia

Hi Danny, please add nowiki to your list, per community consensus: no:Wikipedia:Tinget#Numerisk_sortering_i_kategorier. Stigmj (talk) 20:48, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Norwegian use space as thousand separator, it is used inconsistently, and it is not properly tested. In the category system there are also marker strings that switch the direction, which is not properly identified. Yes I wrote the original proposal at nowiki, no I do not think this should be turned on yet. — Jeblad 23:34, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Your (now suddenly changed) opinion after the fact doesn't change the community decision. If you have any technical issues, please direct them to phabricator as bug reports. The technical implementation of the numeric sorting should take into account the idiosyncracies of the different formatting of numbers, or we will have to adapt to them. There is wide support for enabling the sorting today. Stigmj (talk) 10:42, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, I have written what is the open problems. When I posted the note on nowiki I asked about opinions whether it should be implemented. No I did not list all the possible problems in the note, that would make it too hard to build consensus. Now go back and ask the community to find the possible problems that will emerge when the categories are sorted numerically. — Jeblad 11:07, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Stigmj and Jeblad: Thanks for both the consensus discussion and the concern. :) Jeblad, it's true that the numerical sorting collation has a problem with separators -- this is true for a comma separator as well as a space separator. For example, on English WP's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (1954 film), I added a defaultsort with my volunteer account so that it sorts as 20000 Leagues Under the Sea. As a volunteer, I've done a lot of defaultsort fixing over the years, because it happens to be one of my personal "pet peeves", so I did some cleanup on numerical sorting by adding defaultsorts after we deployed it on English WP.

So you are correct that with the new collation, there still need to be some defaultsorts to make the sorting work properly on numbers with separators. There's not a lot that we can do about that part, and we don't plan on addressing that right now. Unfortunately, that means you may need to change some defaultsort tags. But that's already a problem with the current sorting used on Norwegian WP, so this collation doesn't make that any worse, and it does fix all of the other numerical sorting issues. If it would help, I'd be okay with personally fixing some defaultsorts on Norwegian on my personal volunteer time -- I actually kind of enjoy fixing defaultsorts.

Jeblad, if you think that issue is enough to halt the rollout of numerical sorting, then maybe you could reopen that community discussion, and ask if other people feel the same way. What I see right now is a unanimous agreement that people want numerical sorting. :) Stigmj and Jeblad, let me know how you think we should proceed. Thanks. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 19:54, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

It is a consensus, which is a necessary premise before more time is invested, and now an analysis should be done on necessary changes and especially on the marker terms. It is probably not a lot of work, but it should be done so people know what will break and how they can fix it. That is my opinion. — Jeblad 20:56, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Jeblad, can you give me an example of the marker terms? I'm not sure that I know what you mean. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 21:01, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

I sent you an email earlier today. — Jeblad 21:15, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Jeblad -- Okay, I just read your email, so I know what you mean. The new numerical sorting does not affect "f.Kr." and "e.Kr." at all, the same as "BC" and "AD" on English WP. It looks like Norwegian WP uses a workaround, putting e.Kr.and f.Kr. dates in separate categories, based on a set of 100 years -- [[Kategori:Årstall på 0-tallet]] from 1 e.Kr. to 99 e.Kr., and [[Kategori:Årstall på 0-tallet f.Kr.]] for 99 f.Kr. to 1 f.Kr. English WP uses a different workaround, using sorts to count backwards from -0001 to -9999, and then forward from 0001 to 9999.

But, the important thing: This will not be impacted in any way by the new numerical sorting collation. There will be no effect at all, and nothing to fix. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 21:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

If the described system isn't according to whats described in the ticket, that is the ICU collation, then you should perhaps create a proper help page, where you clearly describe what the implemented system do and don't do. — Jeblad 22:14, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Jeblad -- Yes, I'm sorry that this was confusing. I'm glad that we cleared it up. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 22:56, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Community Wishlist Survey: NPP & AfC issues

Hi DannyH. Yes, I'm aware of that pre-survey page and while it is nice to know that someone is at least watching it, our entries were made on consensus of the volunteer community team that is working on a highly critical aspect of Wikipedia - a Foundation project - that the Foundation has refused to maintain and complete since 2013 and which most of the new staff are probably not even aware of.

Ideally, we need to bypass your project in order to address these issues in a timely manner (we've been waiting for nearly 5 years) and escalate these needs to a level where it can be understood that our requirements are serious major issues that are not to be confused with the requests for gadgets and gimmicks that are generally submitted by individual users to your project. We have tried engaging Nick Wilson and Ryan Kaldari but we are still without any positive action or in some cases, even response. We are concerned that within the fold of the WMF a lot of buck-passing is going on.

So basically, we are just exploiting every avenue to ensure awareness among the many employees of the WMF which has grown from 7 employees to over 200 in 5 years, whose work overlaps on one one hand, but who are unaware of what each one is doing on the other, in the hope that someone will finally understand the urgency of these issues. They concern the very fabric on which the Wikimedia mission is built. For more information and If you are in any way concerned about the reputation of the encyclopedias owned by the Wikimedia Foundation, please see: en:Wikipedia:The future of NPP and AfC. Thanks. --Kudpung (talk) 01:59, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kudpung, just to clarify: That wasn't a pre-survey page. It was set up by a volunteer, and was specifically marked as not being connected to the Wishlist Survey. That's why I wanted to give you a heads-up, so that you wouldn't invest too much into that page as a way of getting work done on your proposal. I'm glad that Ajraddatz deleted that page, because this is exactly the kind of confusion that I was worried that page would create.

I think that the Wishlist Survey is probably the best route for you to get development work done. This is specifically what the Community Tech team is designed to support -- an important project that a lot of contributors want to see done, but hasn't been prioritized by any other product team. So far this year, 5 of the top 10 wishes from the last survey have been completed, we're currently working on a 6th, and Wikidata is working on another one. We're also currently working on #25 and #29 on the list.

If you're talking to people at the Foundation -- Nick, Ryan, James, all the way up to Katherine and the board -- then I expect that they'll probably tell you to propose this in the Community Wishlist Survey. It starts in a month -- the 2016 Community Wishlist Survey page has all the details. Let me know what I can do to help. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 18:00, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

The difference is, Danny, that these issues are too big for the Wish List. We're not asking for convenience gadgets, we're asking for the completion of some critical core software (or extensions) that the Wikipedia Foundation started and did not complete. You would understand more if Jonathan had properly disseminated the content of the hour-long Skype he had with me. The problem is that he also does not understand. the gravity of the current situation. At he end of the day, the Wish List project is the wrong venue for these pressing issues and they do indeed need a ruling from Katherine if a department does not yet exist to address them. --Kudpung (talk) 19:07, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

I just had a conversation with the team about this. We are concerned about the skyrocketing backlog; Ryan has some thoughts about what we can do. I think some other people are going to be reaching out to you with specifics. I'm glad you brought it up, and I hope we can help. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Enable numerical sorting in ru@wikipedia

Please, enable numerical sorting on the Russian Wikipedia per the discussion: ru:Википедия:Форум/Предложения#Сортировка чисел в категориях (oldid). Dmitry89 (talk) 17:10, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Dmitry89, thanks for your note. I've added Russian WP to the Phabricator ticket; we'll probably get these done within a few weeks. I'll let you know when it's coming. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 20:13, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Dmitry89, numerical sorting is now live on ruwiki! (Here's an example.) Let me know if you see any problems. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 22:03, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Enable numerical sorting on hewiki

Hi. Could you please add us to the list? You can see the discussion (100% for) at w:he:WP:VP#שינוי שיטת המיון קטגוריות עם מספרים בשמות. Thank you. IKhitron (talk) 13:18, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Great! I added hewiki to the list. I'll let you know when it's coming. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 21:10, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! IKhitron (talk) 22:00, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi IKhitron, numerical sorting is live on hewiki! Here's an example. Let me know if you see any problems. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 23:52, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much! It looks very good, indeed. Yes, there is one problem, as I told you yesterday, but the patch is already done. IKhitron (talk) 09:15, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Natural number sorting on cswiki

Hello, could we ask you to enable natural number sorting in category listings on cswiki? Community discussion here: https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedie:Pod_l%C3%ADpou#.C5.98azen.C3.AD_.C4.8Dl.C3.A1nk.C5.AF_v_kategori.C3.ADch_podle_.C4.8D.C3.ADsel --Dvorapa (talk) 04:49, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I've put you on the list -- this should be done very soon. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 17:15, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Dvorapa, numerical sorting is now working on cswiki! (Here's an example.) Let me know if you see any problems with it. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 21:54, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. We were surprised by the heading a little bit (we thought it will be a blank space, but "0–9" heading is much better). First impressions from users are really positive too. I'll let you know if there will be some problem in the future. --Dvorapa (talk) 02:38, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Enable numerical sorting on bn@wikipedia and bn@wikisource

Hi. how are you? Can you please enable numerical sorting on bn@wikipedia and bn@wikisource?

• Community notification for bn@wikipedia is here with 100% consensus.
• Community notification for bn@wikisource is here with 100% consensus. Thanks. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 21:15, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Bodhisattwa -- I'll put these on the list, and I'll let you know when it's done. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 21:22, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 21:23, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Bodhisattwa, both wikis have numerical sorting now. Let me know if you see a problem. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 00:23, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Danny, I am keeping track on this category in Bengali Wikipedia and this category in Bengali Wikisource. The category in Bengali Wikipedia category is acting weird, may be its due to the transition phase and I have to wait for few more hours, right? Also, I noticed, The category in Bengali Wikisource now have a 0-9 segment, but, its in English, it needs to be changed into Bengali numerical ০-৯. Thanks. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 12:30, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Bodhisattwa, thanks for reporting these. I created a bug ticket, and included you on it: phab:T148873. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Enable numerical sorting on ukwiki

Hi! Please add ukwiki to the list. The discussion was here: uk:Вікіпедія:Кнайпа (пропозиції)#Голосування за увімкнення числового сортування в категоріях. Thanks!--Piramidion 07:56, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Great, thank you! I've put your request on this ticket: T148682. We'll gather a few more requests, and then run the script on your wiki. I'll let you know when it's done. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 20:25, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Piramidion, numerical sorting is now live on ukwiki. Here's an example. Let me know if you see any problems. Thank you! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 23:13, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks!--Piramidion 08:42, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Numerical sorting – hr.wp

Please enable numerical sorting on the Croatian Wikipedia per this discussion. – Srdjan m (talk) 15:51, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Srdjan m, I'll put your wiki in the next batch to be done. I'll let you know once it's finished. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 00:27, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Srdjan m, numerical sorting is live on Croatian too! Here's an example. Let me know if you see any problems. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 23:11, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Numerical sorting – bs.wp

Hey there (again)! Please enable numerical sorting on the Bosnian Wikipedia per this RfC. – Srdjan m (talk) 11:41, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi! Great, that's on the list too. I'll let you know when it's done. -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 20:41, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi Srdjan m, numerical sorting is now live on Bosnian Wikipedia. Here's an example. Let me know if you see any problems. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 23:06, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Numerical sorting – de.ws

Please enable numerical sorting on the German Wikisource per this RfC. --THE IT (talk) 17:31, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! I've put de.ws on the list for the next batch. I'll let you know when it's done! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 19:34, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Category collation change and numerical sorting - ilo.wp

Request category collation change and enable numerical sorting for Ilokano Wikipedia (uca-tl-u-kn) per local RfC. Thanks. --Lam-ang (talk) 15:23, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I've put you on the ticket for the next batch. I'll let you know when it's done. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 23:16, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Enable numerical sorting and UCA in Galician wikipedia - gl.wp

Hi DannyH. We've held a discussion at Galician (gl) Wikipedia and agreed on enabling both numerical sorting and collation algorithm for categories on our wiki. Thank you! Banjo (talk) 16:43, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I've put you on the ticket for the next batch. I'll let you know when it's done. Thanks! -- DannyH (WMF) (talk) 23:16, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Numerical sorting – sh.wp

Please enable numerical sorting on the Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia per this discussion. – Srdjan m (talk) 14:47, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Numerical sorting – sr.wp

Please enable numerical sorting on the Serbian Wikipedia per this discussion. – Srdjan m (talk) 14:47, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Numerical sorting – ptwiki

Hi!

Could you please enable numerical sorting on the Portuguese Wikipedia? See this discussion. Helder 15:20, 7 November 2016 (UTC)