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[edit] Hiligaynon Wikipedia

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Proposal summary
Language details:
Hiligaynon (hil ISO 639-3)
Users interested in forming an editing community:
Add N beside users that are native speakers, and P beside the original proposers' names.
Relevant pages:
External links:
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  • Speakers: 11,051,968
  • Location(s) spoken: Iloilo, Antique, Western Panay and Negros Occidental provinces of the Philippines.

[edit] Arguments in favour

  • &Y  Support I support the Ilonggo Language.To made some articles to enhance kag mapalawig ang lenguaje nga Hiligaynon. A22ount
  • &Y  Support I support hiligaynon wikipedia as it will help enrich the Filipino language Richarddr1234
  • &Y  Support I support that the wikipedia community grant the privilege to Hiligaynon speakers to be able to express their language identity in the wikipedia.Val2397 22:59, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  • &Y  Support Hiligaynon is one of the major languages of the Philippines. --Harvzsf 22:32, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • &Y  Support Being the fourth most spoken-language of the Philippines, and an important major regional lingua franca, it certainly deserves its own Wikipedia. --Chris S. 06:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • &Y  Support It is the fourth-largest language in the Philippines, a major lingua franca in the Western Visayas region and the primary language of two large provinces (Iloilo and Negros Occidental), as well as a smaller province (Guimaras). --Sky Harbor 23:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • &Y  Support As a major Philippine language and important regional lingua franca, Hiligaynon should certainly join other major languages of the Philippines, which already have their own Wikipedias. Katimawan2005 17:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
  • &Y  Support Hiligaynon has a rich literature which deserves to be written in its own wiki/language. -- Emanlerona 13:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • &Y  Support -- this language is mutually unintelligble to cebuano and bikol, has an ISO code and a substantial number of users in the Philippines. --Rebskii 15:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
  • &Y  Support There are many speakers of this langauge in the Philippines; about 11 million speak it. And even if it is not as popular as English and other european languages and Chinese, Wikimedia/Wikipedia might be one of its few hopes of surviving in the internet.--Felipe Aira
  • &Y  Support with Ilonggo mention -- People in Negros Occidental who call themselves Ilonggos identify their language as "Ilonggo", not Hiligaynon. Experts and laypeople contradict each other constantly in declaring that one is a dialect of the other, or one is dying out in favour of the other, etc. For a language of which many native speakers do not have Internet access, being inclusive is vital for this new Wikipedia to attract sufficient contributors to be stable. When it is created, it should be described as a Wikipedia for Hiligaynon/Ilonggo. --Gronky 00:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
The policy for new languages is quite adamant that only one language can be represented in one Wikipedia. This request is for Hiligaynon and when Ilonggo is considered to be something separate, it cannot be part of this project. GerardM 07:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but this isn't black and white. Hiligaynon and Ilonggo are identical enough to share one page on en.wikipedia.org. Canadian French and the French of France are not identical, but they share one Wikipedia. So I'm making two points:
The first is that the proposal gives a language and the regions it's spoken in, but in fact the majority of people in some of those regions would say they do not speak Hiligaynon but Ilonggo. So either Ilonggo should be included or the description or, if you mean to exclude Ilonggo, then the inaccurate claim of where Hiligaynon is spoken should be fixed.
My second point is that IMO the two languages/dialects/whatevers are similar enough, and the number of native speakers with Internet connections is small enough, that excluding either group of people (those who self-identify as Hiligaynon speakers or those who self-identify as Ilonggo-speakers) would be harmful for the sustainability of this proposed Wikipedia. --Gronky 23:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I beg to disagree with the statement that "people in Negros Occidental who call themselves Ilonggos identify their language as 'Ilonggo', not Hiligaynon." I am an Ilonggo and I call my native tongue Hiligaynon, not Ilonggo; those who do are misinformed. Ilonggo refers to the people of Iloilo, Negros Occidental and Guimaras who are native speakers of Hiligaynon. — Kguirnela 03:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • &Y  Support In support of a language that is popularly used by significant number of Philippine's population.--[User:rophe]
  • &Y  HELL YEAH SUPPORT - wow i didn't know we had any languages with tens of millions of speakers without a wikipedia anymore, lets catch up already!Qrc2006 19:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
  • &Y  Support Why not? It passes the language requirements and has a number of contributers. That number will probably skyrocket once word gets around.  Mm40 (talk | contribs)  15:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
  • &Y  Support it's high time. and it's a must. let's do it! --Saluyot 11:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • &Y  Support Hiligaynon is a major language in the Philippines, and has a significant number of speakers Mk32 23:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
  • &Y  Support Being the 4th Major Language in the Philippines, I certainly support Hiligaynon Wikipedia as it will encourage the people with this language to rely and contribute and learn to love their language! --Tagimata 16:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
  • &Y  Supportenough native speakers--Biŋhai 13:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Arguments against

[edit] General discussion

[edit] Localisation update

  • At this moment in time the localisation of MediaWiki for Hiligaynon has to start in Betawiki. Once the most relevant messages have been localised, a Wikipedia for Hiligaynon will be considered. GerardM 08:21, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Currently 32.51% of the most often used messages have been localised.. 100% is required. GerardM 09:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Currently 32.64% of the most used MediaWiki messages have been localised. Localisation of these messages is a requirement before your request is finally assessed. This is the recent localisation activity for your language. Thanks, GerardM 12:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
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