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Hello. Following your comments on [[User talk:LilaTretikov‎]], where you said "you and anyone else reading are welcome to reach out to my team (Community Engagement) at any time with suggestions" I am emboldened to take you at your word. As it happens, I have been trying to get some engagement going in the rather limited field of mathematics content editing and viewing for some time now. Unfortunately it has proved an uphill struggle. People in Community Liaison and Community Advocacy have explained to me very patiently why they can't help me, and my attempts to engage directly with developers have not been successful -- indeed one developer now refuses to talk to me, apparently because I was not respectful enough. Anyway, the point is that I raised the issue with Jimmy Wales in May [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=606999556] and he challenged the mathematics editing community to give him details [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=607378987]. We did that in June [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=613845244] and Jimmy was kind enough to say that it was "a very helpful and concise statement of the issues and concerns" and he had "copied this text to the Board wiki and emailed the board (and Lila) asking them to read it". Unfortunately, nothing seems to have happened since then. I emailed Lila a couple of weeks ago, with no response, but no doubt she has been too busy to respond to every single message: I also asked on her talk page here at Meta a few days ago, but again of course that has been extremely active, and Phillippe archived my question unanswered. Perhaps you can help. If the proposal is not getting anywhere, then please would somebody close the loop and say so? The reason I mention it here and now is that the first few suggestions in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=613845244] were to do with engagement between staff and volunteers on technical planning, and those points seemed to me to have some relevance to the issues being debated at [[User talk:LilaTretikov‎]] right now. I do hope you can get me an answer as to what is happening with the proposal I put forward, even if the answer is that it has, or will, drop compltely out of sight. Of course, if anyone has fou d anything of value in it, and wishes to use it as a basis for engagement with the mathematics editing community, that would be even better news, and I would be happy to help you convey it to the people concerned. [[User:Deltahedron|Deltahedron]] ([[User talk:Deltahedron|talk]]) 21:38, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello. Following your comments on [[User talk:LilaTretikov‎]], where you said "you and anyone else reading are welcome to reach out to my team (Community Engagement) at any time with suggestions" I am emboldened to take you at your word. As it happens, I have been trying to get some engagement going in the rather limited field of mathematics content editing and viewing for some time now. Unfortunately it has proved an uphill struggle. People in Community Liaison and Community Advocacy have explained to me very patiently why they can't help me, and my attempts to engage directly with developers have not been successful -- indeed one developer now refuses to talk to me, apparently because I was not respectful enough. Anyway, the point is that I raised the issue with Jimmy Wales in May [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=606999556] and he challenged the mathematics editing community to give him details [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=607378987]. We did that in June [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=613845244] and Jimmy was kind enough to say that it was "a very helpful and concise statement of the issues and concerns" and he had "copied this text to the Board wiki and emailed the board (and Lila) asking them to read it". Unfortunately, nothing seems to have happened since then. I emailed Lila a couple of weeks ago, with no response, but no doubt she has been too busy to respond to every single message: I also asked on her talk page here at Meta a few days ago, but again of course that has been extremely active, and Phillippe archived my question unanswered. Perhaps you can help. If the proposal is not getting anywhere, then please would somebody close the loop and say so? The reason I mention it here and now is that the first few suggestions in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=613845244] were to do with engagement between staff and volunteers on technical planning, and those points seemed to me to have some relevance to the issues being debated at [[User talk:LilaTretikov‎]] right now. I do hope you can get me an answer as to what is happening with the proposal I put forward, even if the answer is that it has, or will, drop compltely out of sight. Of course, if anyone has fou d anything of value in it, and wishes to use it as a basis for engagement with the mathematics editing community, that would be even better news, and I would be happy to help you convey it to the people concerned. [[User:Deltahedron|Deltahedron]] ([[User talk:Deltahedron|talk]]) 21:38, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
:Hi there, and thank you for the ping. I'm aware that this is something that's important to you, and that it's been difficult to get it much attention. As you are probably aware, there are some fairly big-picture process discussions happening at the moment, and while in a perfect world we would have time for all projects that were proposed, the reality is that the WMF has a small team which is trying to do a lot with limited resources. I could not promise that this will get worked on, but the Product Manager responsible for this area would be [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|James Forrester]], who I believe you are already discussing this with. It's one of those things that is "on the radar" but for now I don't imagine that we would be able to put it on the roadmap for the foreseeable future. Kind regards, -[[User:Rdicerb (WMF)|Rdicerb (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Rdicerb (WMF)#top|talk]]) 15:58, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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Discussion exhaustion

Someone here has a point: [1]. Editors are an aging population, many are probably like him. --Nemo 09:48, 10 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for drawing my attention to this, Nemo. These are definitely challenging issues to work out. We will think about this, and if there are any ideas on how to manage this from within the community, I welcome them. Rdicerb (WMF) (talk) 01:07, 16 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

Communications with the mathematics editor community

Hello. Following your comments on User talk:LilaTretikov‎, where you said "you and anyone else reading are welcome to reach out to my team (Community Engagement) at any time with suggestions" I am emboldened to take you at your word. As it happens, I have been trying to get some engagement going in the rather limited field of mathematics content editing and viewing for some time now. Unfortunately it has proved an uphill struggle. People in Community Liaison and Community Advocacy have explained to me very patiently why they can't help me, and my attempts to engage directly with developers have not been successful -- indeed one developer now refuses to talk to me, apparently because I was not respectful enough. Anyway, the point is that I raised the issue with Jimmy Wales in May [2] and he challenged the mathematics editing community to give him details [3]. We did that in June [4] and Jimmy was kind enough to say that it was "a very helpful and concise statement of the issues and concerns" and he had "copied this text to the Board wiki and emailed the board (and Lila) asking them to read it". Unfortunately, nothing seems to have happened since then. I emailed Lila a couple of weeks ago, with no response, but no doubt she has been too busy to respond to every single message: I also asked on her talk page here at Meta a few days ago, but again of course that has been extremely active, and Phillippe archived my question unanswered. Perhaps you can help. If the proposal is not getting anywhere, then please would somebody close the loop and say so? The reason I mention it here and now is that the first few suggestions in [5] were to do with engagement between staff and volunteers on technical planning, and those points seemed to me to have some relevance to the issues being debated at User talk:LilaTretikov‎ right now. I do hope you can get me an answer as to what is happening with the proposal I put forward, even if the answer is that it has, or will, drop compltely out of sight. Of course, if anyone has fou d anything of value in it, and wishes to use it as a basis for engagement with the mathematics editing community, that would be even better news, and I would be happy to help you convey it to the people concerned. Deltahedron (talk) 21:38, 18 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hi there, and thank you for the ping. I'm aware that this is something that's important to you, and that it's been difficult to get it much attention. As you are probably aware, there are some fairly big-picture process discussions happening at the moment, and while in a perfect world we would have time for all projects that were proposed, the reality is that the WMF has a small team which is trying to do a lot with limited resources. I could not promise that this will get worked on, but the Product Manager responsible for this area would be James Forrester, who I believe you are already discussing this with. It's one of those things that is "on the radar" but for now I don't imagine that we would be able to put it on the roadmap for the foreseeable future. Kind regards, -Rdicerb (WMF) (talk) 15:58, 19 August 2014 (UTC)Reply