Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Archive/Connect a red link to wikidata

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Connect a red link to wikidata

N This feature already exists

Problem: Red links are unconnected, although the item that holds more info is often already out there on Wikidata (and therefor on other wiki's)

Who would benefit: The reader

Proposed solution: Connect a red linkt title somehow to wikidata, and give the reader some info (for example from Reasonator) when clicked

More comments:

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Proposer: Edoderoo (talk) 12:26, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

This seems like a very useful proposal. It could also fix the problem where multiple articles (and items) get made about the same subject. During the Wiki Techstorm i made a small prototype of how something like this could be used to display hovercards for red links, just like what we have now for blue links. See here. Husky (talk) 18:04, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is the same proposal as Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Wikidata/Add to unexisting page a link to some Wikidata item. — putnik 00:42, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As long as this doesn't somehow discourage page creation at the redlink. The purpose of redlinks is to alert editors "here's an article you could create". If they clicked it and it looked like there was already something there, it may discourage actually creating the new article. --Jayron32 (talk) 11:55, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- My requests comes at two stages: at first, I want to pre-connect a future page to wikidata. This should help the writer of this page. In stage two we can decide to give the reader some extra info, but we can also skip that for political reasons. If stage one is created, I'm already 80% happy ;) Edoderoo (talk) 14:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Could the WikiData info be added to the page creation text one gets when clicking on a redlink? You know, in one of the bullets? --NessieVL (talk) 17:22, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - You can already do that by using this template but I don't think many people are interested in adding this manually. C933103 (talk) 18:14, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - Wonderful idea, but made some remarks on the talk page as well. Edoderoo (talk) 19:48, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The interlanguage-template would solve some of this issue indeed. Interesting idea. But I'm afraid that such a template will not be allowed by the NL-wiki community, usually they are very conservative and someone will step up against the idea of empty pages with only a "useless" template and speedy delete half of the wiki from there. Therefor I need a solution that will keep the red link red. Sorry for that. Edoderoo (talk) 19:48, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Edoderoo: I moved your comment here, as things on the talk pages are likely to never be seen. Sorry for the confusion! I'm going to rework the automation to redirect talk pages to the proposal page. MusikAnimal (WMF) (talk) 21:00, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- That template was not supposed to be placed at empty pages. Instead they are supposed to be put at where red links are. C933103 (talk) 01:06, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There used to be a template that did this but I think it died on enwiki due to Wikidata opposition. This is entirely a question of policy within individual Wikipedia's and not an issue for the Community Wishlist that is supposed to contain technical requests. ChristianKl (talk) 17:57, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I am not sure what sort of discussion ot have had and what templates was there, however I think a major problem with using a template is that the page will no longer be a red link. My understanding is that this request is requesting another method that would link those pages from/to wikidata while still maintaining them as red link. C933103 (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - You are right. Right now, when clicking a red link, you get a page explaining it doesn't exist, and a like to create the page. This should stay, but it can also add a link (or table, widget, etc) to connect it to an existing wikdata-item. When the page gets created later by another user, it can be linked easier. Edoderoo (talk) 19:38, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - EnWiki is opposed to anything that links to a Wikidata item directly in a way that's visible to users. ChristianKl (talk) 11:17, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      @ChristianKl and Edoderoo: Not necessarily. I think neither Wikidata opponents nor Wikidata proponents constitute a majority, even among the minority of editors who participate in requests for comment and the like. Most of the opposition has been based on vandalism and incorrect data (and there has so far been no proposal to use JavaScript/CSS to actually hide the sidebar links). Jc86035 (talk) 14:33, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@ChristianKl: The interlanguage link template can still be used to link to Wikidata on enwiki (it looks like Article that doesn't exist (Wikidata)), and the Wikidata parameter is still used on about 2,000 pages. There was an RfC on whether Wikidata should be linked to in articles, but it was closed with no consensus. I don't think this proposal would significantly improve that specific template, since it would still be required to manually supply the QID (although it would be possible to avoid manually linking the article title itself) due to it being impossible to get a QID from a sitelink. Jc86035 (talk) 14:24, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe the "impossible to get a QID from a sitelink" can be improved as part of the proposal. It would also be neat that, if there is a Template:ill|en red link on certain language wikipedia, when some editor click into the link and created a page, the wiki would remember that the page was created by clicking that ill template, and thus linking the same wikidata item as the foreign language article linked from the original ill template. But I don't think that'd be too easily implementable. C933103 (talk) 12:10, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I stand corrected and it seems like this is possible gain with the interlanguage link template. ChristianKl ❪✉❫
- Maybe I'm too direct and offensive to some, but my proposal is not limited to en-wiki and therefor I do not care about issues/discussions/shortage of knowledge for en-wiki users. Therefor I also do not care if en-wiki will implement such a feature or not (and most likely nl-wiki will also make some drama at first). But if es-wiki or hu-wiki will use it, I would be still happy, even when I'm not active on their projects. Sorry for being direct in my statement, it is not meant to offense anyone, but please look further then en-wiki only. Edoderoo (talk) 08:48, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
User:Multichill recently introduced d:Wikidata:Property_proposal/Wikipedia_suggested_article_name on Wikidata, to record what should be the article name on a particular language wiki to correspond to a Wikidata item, if currently there is no article. The idea is that software could then created to identify redlinks matching these names on a wiki page being displayed, and give either a link to Wikidata, or show some summary of information derived from Wikidata. So far his proposal hasn't met an entirely positive response, but it is one facet of what could be needed to make a suggestion like this work. Jheald (talk) 20:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
maybe we add a feature to mark these sitelinks also red in wikipedias, or just hide them. so any wikipedia can configure it as wanted. --W!B: (talk) 12:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Archived

What you're asking for is essentially ArticlePlaceholder. We can enable it on wikis that want it, but it requires local consensus. Thanks for participating in our survey. MaxSem (WMF) (talk) 00:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So what's needed is to implement this extension on wikipedia? C933103 (talk) 06:08, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]