Meta:Proposed page moves/Archives/2007

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2007-09-24

Help:ParserFunctionsExtension:ParserFunctionsMW:Extension:ParserFunctions

The material in Help:ParserFunctions is associated with the ParserFunctions extension. I suggest it be renamed, and any general help content within the article moved to Help:Parser_function. Ultimately the new article needs to be moved to MediaWiki. The MediaWiki page is currrently an incorrect redirect aswell, see MW:Extension:ParserFunctions. If this article does get moved the php code within the extension also needs updating so that Special:Version associates to the new article location. --Zven 20:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Move to MediaWiki.org --Roosa (Talk) 21:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Support move Ext:ParserFunctions docs have become a confusing jumble both here and on mediawiki.org --Nad 23:58, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Not a good idea--this is one of the most frequently needed cite help pages in discussing templates with those unfamiliar with their innards. While I have no problem with putting the main page in mediawiki (assuming it's maintained as Patrick has done this here), there should be care taken to leave a forwarding redirect at the least, or a replacement article in less technical terms. While the process of mirroring help pages to the Enwikipedia has "slacked off", this particular page is cited fairly often in template help there. I'd be surprised if that weren't the case for other sisters as well. // FrankB 23:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment-- The problem I have is that this article is an Extension called 'ParserFunctions' with downloadable code, not a general help article on parser functions use. I agree it should contain help details for the parser functions that the extension enables, so I think so at the very least information should be split, because there should be an extension called MW:Extension:ParserFunctions on http://www.mediaWiki.org --Zven 20:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Hmmm, I agree actually, with a soft redirect. Then, if it were moved to medaiwiki.org., {{MovedToMediaWiki}} would be used anyway, which is just as good. --Anonymous DissidentTalk 21:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment -- Had this vote not been started, the page would have 'eventually' been moved to MW.org anyway, as the content is definitely wanted there. The question is whether (a) it should be moved somewhere else on meta in the meantime and (b) whether to keep a version of this page on meta after the move. --HappyDog 14:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose -- I think it is better to integrate this software into MediaWiki. In the meantime we can also keep the documentation integrated (on a separate page but not a separate namespace or site), as long as there are the necessary instructions for installing it, of course; there are already links from the mw site, so people can find the page: mw:Extension:ParserFunctions and mw:Category:Parser function extensions.--Patrick (talk) 11:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Even if it's integrated into MediaWiki proper, so that it's no longer an extension, it should still be documented on MediaWiki, not on Meta. Jonathan Kovaciny 14:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
        • Even if the ParserFunctions is integrated into a future version of MediaWiki then the extension still needs to be documented and available at MW:Extension:ParserFunctions for previous releases of MediaWiki up to the integration into the core software. Really the debate here is what should the namespace for this article be Extension: or Help:? As it is an extension I believe it should be Extension: with documentation of its usage, however as it is a high profile extension I suggest there should be a fork of the article to continue documenting the usage of this extension in a Help: namespace on Meta.
  • Support move to "Extension:ParserFunctions", and support moving to MW.org. Anthøny 22:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Support and Split page, all extension downloads should be on MediaWiki, and the page is much to large, installation and the Manual on how to use them should be separate. PatPeter 03:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Why should wikimedia project users search any user documentation on MediaWiki site? They shall be confused. Meta should accommodate the common user help for all wikimedia projects.--Huck 15:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Wait I am not completely understanding you, what do you mean? I am saying to move the actual files to MediaWiki, and probably keep most of the help here. PatPeter 16:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Against (rather) - pls. make a clear and reasonable policy what should be documented where first. Plus ensure that such policy is really followed.
  1. Page named Help:Parser_function would be a bit misleading that it contains all parsing rules of wikimedia projects what is of course incorrect.
  2. Current page Help:Parser_function is already long enough and cannot accommodate all the necessary details from Help:ParserFunctions.
  3. It is viable to have a link from META connecting the set of documented features with particular extension which provides them. It implies:
    1. that these features are not part of the core MediaWiki parser,
    2. extensions documented on META are part of current wikimedia projects, ie.:
      1. they have a relatively certain future and
      2. they are necessary when you copy the content (esp. templates) to your own wiki.
  4. MediaWiki documentation is relatively poor now. Usualy there is only a short hint how to download it and incorporate it into your configuration, but not the user documentation normally. I suppose that this is the result of the strategy that wikimedia projects are the major product and MediaWiki is only a by-product.

This is why I call for a strategy first. Suggested proposal leads to the state where nearly all user documentation is DUPLICATED and maintained separately both on META and MediaWiki. For me it sounds reasonable to have and maintain only one place of user feature documentation and this is rather META than MediaWiki.org at the current state of chaos.--Huck 15:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Can we have a decision on this soon please, most appear in favour of moving some of the content. Help:ParserFunctions is currently a help page for a specific extension MW:Extension:ParserFunction which may be incorporated into the MediaWiki code base in the future, not how to use parser functions in general. The details of installation and brief usage should be on MediaWiki. If the help associated with the extension is high profile then details should be documented on Meta. --Zven 01:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree completely with Zven. PatPeter 16:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Also what would we do with Extension:Parser function extensions? PatPeter 16:15, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

2007-05-28

Info-en guideOTRS/Info-en_guide

I propose this move because (what seems to be) all other pages regarding the OTRS is under the OTRS mainpage. --Bensin 13:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Moved. Please keep this here for a few days before archiving. -- Jeandré, 2007-09-24t20:35z