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Aeres Wikipedia

submitted verification final decision
This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

The closing committee member provided the following comment:

Aeres is not a language. The policy of the language committee is unambiguous; no code no project. GerardM 19:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The name used in linguistic studies is Ourish; i am looking in google book search for a old book that still uses this term before the language became reclassified as low-saxon

One single user does not have the right to cancel a project; and GerardM refuses to respond to our questions. When he was asked why he did not agree with us placing our dialect under the Dutch language group he refused to respond. --Micha1712

Aeres is a language which has the most speakers in Germany and the Netherlands. There are 600 speakers of this language. It's a germanical language. Most people think that this language is the same as West-Frisian(Frysk) but that isn't true. You can compare this language to Limburgish, but there are very much differences. The Aeres community has been waiting many years for an encyclopedia. A encyclopedia completely in Aeres doesn't exist yet, so I think many people would be interested in this project. This language is also easy to learn. The conjugation of the verbs is just like Afrikaans completely extincted. There are five declensions, nominative, genetive, accusative and dative and vocative(not much used anymore). --Limburger 09:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments in Favour

  • The Aeres community has always been interested in preserving their language. I am working on a Dictionary in Aeres. I think this Wikipedia-Project would be great to prevent English inflewences, the language is really suffering from that! --Markvondeegel 07:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's an interesting language. I think it's inportant that this wikipedia should arrive. --Ooswesthoesbes 12:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry I'm late... I was busy, but I promised to help with this request. Æres is a stabil language. The last 50 years the number of speakers hasn't declined, it has grown a little bit. JeroenKon 11:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • A real discussion I see... I've got something: This language is different from other languages, that's why we deserve a wikipedia or wiktionary at least. & Limburger 14:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • In what way is it different and in what way is it related to other languages? Why would you "deserve" a wikipedia if you can't come up with any reliable source on this? Why should I believe it is not something you all made up? How can you tell it is not a hoax? Cicero 15:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • ef euver get anges... Höbse 't al vernaome? D'r zeen al 300 paasjes oppe wiktionair! Hae gruit wie 'ne trein! --Ooswesthoesbes 15:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • This is not about the Limburgish wiktionary, it is about Aeres. Please answer my question, don't come up with irrelevant stuff here to lead the attention away from questions you don't like. Cicero 18:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • Sorry, I didn't wanted to interrupt you: --Ooswesthoesbes 18:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC) Cicero: In what way is it different and in what way is it related to other languages? Why would you "deserve" a wikipedia if you can't come up with any reliable source on this? Why should I believe it is not something you all made up? How can you tell it is not a hoax? Cicero 15:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Ourish (not aerish) was the name of a small group of languages; distinct from low-Saxon and related to Frisian, that was spoken in several villages in the dutch provinces of Gelderland and Overijsel and the German state of Nordrhein-Westfalen. The language is now mostly extinct with only a few hundred people speaking it, and those people are mostly elders. Neither the Dutch nor the German government recognize ourish a a language separated form low-Saxon. I suggest looking up old national geographics and linguistic textbooks to find some information about the dialect. If hope the person who is making the ourish wikia has the decency to contact me; so i can help him and his grandpa make a good looking website. minormessageoverload@hotmail.com micha1712
    • May I ask for the source of your information? --Johannes Rohr 19:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • You can; i read about the Ourish language in 3 different sourches. When i was 15 years i read a old national geographic magazine from '24; then i forgot about the language until i did a course on linguistics at the peoples university of Rotterdam. I studied Dutch, Low-Saxon, Frisian and German and i got to know the different dialects that where being used on both sites of the Dutch-German border; at the time i wrote a article about Frisian with 20 pages about west and east Frisian and two small pages about Frisian languages outside the northern provinces of the Netherlands, Germany and Scotland. My knowledge about Ourish comes from writing this article where i mentioned how early in the 19th century Ourish was considered distinct from Low-Saxon but because of political reason the dialects where first called a derivative of limburgian then a part of the Dutch Low-Saxon language. My third source being a old Dutch book on language studies from the 50's that i implemented in my article. The name of the books was Het Grootnederlands studieboek voor Hollandse dialecten en hun Duitse tegenhangers (The high-Dutch study book on Dutch dialects and there German counterparts) Where Dhr. P.H. Hermann wrote how he found the reclassification of a language based on politic grounds to be morally objectionable. --micha1712
  • "Our" or "Ôr" is East-Æres for ancient, prehistorical and pronouncing. Maybe has pronouncing something to do with "Ourish"? Vælke 16:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Aeres is not an artificial language; it is a living language that is spoken as a native language by a sizeable population (At least Six Hundred) in Germany and the Netherlands - most of whom have access to the internet. There are currently five native speakers who are willing to active participate in this project. The comparatively low number of native speakers should not disqualify them from creating a new wiki (for example, the Norfuk language is spoken by 500 native speakers - however they still have their own Wikipedia). --Jose77 04:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments Against

Lynotic is? --Limburger 17:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
See your own MSN community and the deleted versions and discussion on en:. Cicero 00:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How can you see it if it's deleted? --Ooswesthoesbes 12:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There are 20 people who talk this language around "Emden" oost-Friesland. --Markvondeegel 07:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even more around the dutch borders, there is east aeres, more common then duûts aeres Vælke 15:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even if the request is honest, 600 speakers (all of whom are able, presumably, to operate perfectly well in at least one other language) is nowhere near enough to sustain a wikipedia. With the exception of wikipedias full of bot-created articles and Ido (most of whose articles are on towns in the U.S. and have virtually the same text throughout) all the the wikipedias with more than about 10 articles have at least 100 000 speakers. LeighvsOptimvsMaximvs (talk) 18:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • The most wikipedias who have this problem are wikipedias for people out of less rich countries. Many people there have no electricity. Æres is a living language with 600 speakers all willing to edit, they all have a computer as far as I know. And most also have a connection with Internet. --Markvondeegel 09:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Our MSN-community involves 3% of all the Æres speakers and runs like a train. Many people there are interested in forming, creating and editing an online encyclopedia, such as Wikipedia. --Limburger 17:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In a testpage you will see this is a populair language. --Markvondeegel 07:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Try googling for ourish not aerish and yes those username are probably from the same guy but i have nothing to do with them; i just like languages. --Micha1712
  • The language committee is unlikely to allow for the start of a Wikipedia for this language as it does not have an ISO 639 code.

GerardM 19:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • Take a look at the incubator and the list of Wikipedias. There's enough activity. There are lots of Wikipedias with an ISo 639-code without activity. My opinion is that it's better to have 1 wikipedia with activity in a language without an ISO-639 code than 20 Wikipedias without activity but with a language with an ISo-639 code. --Ooswesthoesbes 15:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Please see these two links; one is a wiki article about Pitkern, the other is a Pitkern wiki. Pitkern only has 600 speakers and 2000 speakers of a local related dialect called Norfuk. With a Ourish speaking population of about 400 - 900 people who are all living in an industrialised nation with a very widespread cable network we can expect about 50 regulare users working on the wiki; capable of producing much more then the 58 articles produced at the Pitkern wiki. I support the ISO NL-AE. --Micha1712
  • strong Oppose, this language does not exist. This is, as I red on their general discussion page (incubator), a student joke. Please do not approve this request, there is no Aeres language. They keep writing that there are some speakers of the language, and that there were books published. That is a lie. Not one single wikipedia has an article about the language. And there are absolutely no sources. This is a artificial language. And Limburgish is just a group of dialects, but still thats either Dutch or German. So how could one ever compare it to Limburgish? As I said, its a joke, but a bad taste of humour. Now please delete the incubator, I'm sure there's a real language somewhere around the globe. -- user:victor 10:30 03 August 07 (UTC)

General Discussion

I don't think it's a real problem if this Wikipedia doesn't come to live. I think it's a problem if people think this is a hoax, it really isn't. --Markvondeegel 11:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
...which is not by malicious intent, but because the proposal fails to cite any reliable sources. Please do so and the discussion will immediately take a different turn. --Johannes Rohr 21:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sources are found as "Ourish" --Ooswesthoesbes 15:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Its very hard to say where I stand on this. There isn't a whole lot of evidence to support this, but I'd really like to believe this one is real. Could you please pull together some form of report, or reference, or anything more than an easy to set up MSN group to show evidence of Æres' existance? It would really help. Explodingdog 21:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sources are found as "Ourish" --Ooswesthoesbes 15:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This "language" has got a wikia now: http://aeres.wikia.com, probably by the people from the MSN group. It contains a few articles about dialects of this "language", of which I really doubt they exist/have existed. According to these articles, dialects of Aeres were spoken in Sweden and Denmark. I still believe it is a fantasy language of a few teenagers. The language looks like a constructed mixture of Limburgish/Frisian/Ripuarian to me. Cicero 21:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm wondering, what do you name a kid? The most people of the MSN-group are infact born at the begin of the 80's and the end of the 70's. --Markvondeegel 10:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • It doesn't matter when these people were born. I'm sorry to have called you kids. What matters is if this language actually exists. I haven't seen any prove or reliable source that it does. So please react to these objections! Cicero 12:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think we forget something! Æres is a difficult language. You need to use the rules of the declensions. You've got Nominative, Genetive, Dative and Akkusative and a remain of the Vocative. If you need to follow the rules of these you've got a real problem! Also the prepositions change for example. --Markvondeegel 10:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name discussion


About these sources. Āēres is infact a mediaeval term. The modern term is Æres. Some people preffer to use Aeres, others like to use Aires and some people write Ères. Please try out all these terms. JeroenKon 11:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would you please add "Ourish" to your list? -Markvondeegel 14:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Impossible, it's still used, mediaeval nothing. Does the language really exist so long? I thought it broke off from Frysk around 1600. & Limburger 14:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Danish etc


The last 2 weeks I was busy with the name ourish and finding more sources. I've found together with User:Kremnae and User:Jeroenkon an explanation for tge name "ourish". In Aeres au and ae have the same sound which leads us to "aurisch, aurish and aures". In dutch au and ou have the same sound which leads us to ourisch, oures and ourish. About the origin of Aeres: I've compared some archaical aeres words like môf(belly) and keêbe(jaw, kaâck) to different germanical languages and it comes quite near a scandinavian language like danish. I'm still busy with comparing more archaical words but I don't know much of these. If anyone of the community knows more I will be able to compare more words. -Markvondeegel 18:14, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Büwspitklire (Pancreas, alvleesklier) Spitfath (Aorta) Lystig/Lüstig (Ovary, eierstok) Tunne (Infection, infectie) Can they also be not-body? JeroenKon 07:20, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Van nature kaen d'r auw wat anners sïnn! Spitfath = aorta in d'r dansk, büwspitklire = bugspytkirtel, lystig kaen ich nie fiende, tunne = infektion. Hiervan allny büwspitklire vor bugspytkirtel. -Markvondeegel 12:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Swadesh


The list of swadesh on the wikia isn't in modern aeres, it isn't up-to-date. If anybody has got information about the modern and wants to change the list, please go ahead. JeroenKon 13:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ich hieb so-her de lys nekieke, danke vor de melding, ich söl 'r aan negiene as fast as ich tiem hieb. Ich söl auw User:Kremnae vruhe watvor dialect her kall. -Markvondeegel 19:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

French Aeres


French Aeres is a not official Aeres Dialect(not official as recognized by the Aeres community itself) and has unknown, a few or 0 speakers left near straatsburg(probably rumours, I doubt if this language ever has excisted). User:Konghier has asked me (here) if french aeres is allowed on Aeres (Test-)Wikipedia. No one is the boss so let's vote, I'll place this here because it's something that has to do with the request.

  1. Oppose Too many differences, doubt it exists or has existed, no one speaking this aeres has come here so it won't ever be something. -Markvondeegel 20:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose See User:Markvondeegels idea. Kremnae 11:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC) PS Ich die den rês wè abmaake[reply]
  3. Oppose Doesn't exist I'm sure, just a myth! JeroenKon 07:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simple solution to keep everybody happy




What about an incubator? It will show that there are enough editors, it has a real grammar and vocabulary, it isn't a mix between some german and dutch dialects and that only west-Æres really is used nowadays. (Deutsch Æres = Deutsch, almost no differences, see here) ! -Markvondeegel 14:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone can open a test project at any time. Moreso, it is a mandatory precondition for any new language edition. However, this is not going to compensate for the total absence of reliable sources on this page. If you are serious, you should do every effort to provide them, as has been requested many times. Plus getting an ISO code. --Johannes Rohr 14:35, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How will you get an ISO-code??? --Markvondeegel 14:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Simple! Lie, say that it's a constructed language. You all say it's real, without sources you won't get a real big project. But if you say it's a constructed language(like at your wikia info thing) it's more believable! --Ooswesthoesbes 13:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Than you would still have to come up with sources to verify that this language is not only used by a few people running an MSN group. Furthermore, why would you have to lie if you are so sure this language actually exists? Or are you lying here as well? Cicero 14:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why should I lie, I have always said I don't speak this language! -- 14:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Right. But you do say you're the administrator of the AeresLanguage MSN group. Cicero 13:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Zee mien euverlegkpaasj --Ooswesthoesbes 17:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't you answer in a language that more people who follow this discussion can read? Cicero 18:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Because you've said it there too, and that's where I've answered it :) -- 12:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC) P.S. let neet op mien IP[reply]
Almost certainly not without providing reliable sources. (can't say more, since I never had the problem) --Johannes Rohr 14:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that, but how can you create an incubator wikipedia? Markvondeegel 15:13, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Quickstart: The first thing you need for that is a language code. Since there is none, you will have to invent one, thereby avoiding conflicts with existing ISO codes. I would suggest a composite code like "nl-aeres" (or "nl-ae" to keep it short). If you agree, go to incubator: and create your account. You can start editing at [Project code]/[language code], that it (in case you use the suggested code) incubator:Wp/nl-ae and start editing. All your pages have to be members of the category "Aeres Wikipedia" or of a subcategory. Further all pages you create need to be subpages of Wp/nl-ae. That is, an article "Fritjes" would have to be located at incubator:Wp/nl-ae/Fritjes.
Further you should create a page for your main category: incubator:Category:Aeres Wikipedia. Just copy the contents of an existing page, e.g. incubator:Category:Prussian Wikipedia and adjust the data.
Consequently, all links between your pages must also be prefixed Wp/nl-ae. Apart from that, it's just normal Wiki editing. But again: you should absolutely undertake efforts to provide reliable sources to the langcom. Else, your test project will serve no purpose. --Johannes Rohr 15:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think you should not use nl-aeres. Aeres is also spoken in Germany. I think some people would have problems with nl-aeres. Janvanhorn 13:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support for NL-AE --Micha1712
I propose x-aeres or ger-aeres of Germanical Æres. Æres is a germanical language. Markvondeegel 13:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If "Ourish" is a name for "Aeres" it may be possible to use our, ger-our, ou-aer or x-our Janvanhorn 13:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we can use aeres as the project code? I don't think there's another language starting with aeres. Markvondeegel 14:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ic agree with aeres.wikipedia.org, I think it's more like a wikipedia for all people who speak aeres and not only for west, or east or duûts aeres. Because west is more generally spoken in the Netgherlands, East is more around the border and duûts is only spoken in Germany. Although on the wikia is no duûts speaker there. Vælke 15:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
At least you've got a temporary Wikipedia!!:) --Ooswesthoesbes 09:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
An incubator is a great idea. & Limburger 14:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC) and needed to start a wikipedia[reply]
  • To go to the incubator stage you need a go ahead from the language committee. You need an ISO 639 code. There is none. GerardM 19:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Meneer Gerard M, ik vind de meeste mensen met flink enthousiasme geweldig, alhoewel overdrijven kan ook nog wel. ISO 639 is niet het allerbelangrijkste van een taal, dat weet u toch zeker wel? Het belangrijkste vind ik is dat het van de been komt. If someone who speaks dutch is able to translate this, go ahead (I'm not able to translate such difficlut phrases :()! -Markvondeegel 19:26, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Mister Gerard M, I find most people with a lot of enthousiasm wonderfull, even though some over do it. ISO 639 is not the most important thing about a language, you understand that yourself don't you? Right now, i find it most important that we begin with the project. Hier, Hoewel Gerard M zelf een rauwe nederlander is.
    • I don't think you need permission by langcom for a test project. There is nothing like that in the Language proposal policy. --Johannes Rohr 11:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Let's try and vote for a new ISO?


Please leave support, idea's and comments below the ISO code of your choice. --Micha1712

  • NL-AE : Ourish as part of the Dutch language.
    • Support: I think this one is the most easy and clear in use since most people who speak Ourish consider themselves to be Dutch and write the name of there dialect as Aerish and not like most Dutch and English linguistics as Ourish; even though Ourish is still the official name of the Aerish language for the Dutch and the English speaking community here on wikimedia. . --Micha1712
      • Oppose This can give a war between the Dutch and German languages. Aeres is as already said above devided in three main dialects(untill now only East-Aeres, the 2nd language) has articles in the incubator. West-Aeres is mostly only in the Netherlands, East-Aeres is around the border and Duûts-Aeres(translated German-ourish) is only in Germany. Please conside your support. JeroenKon 06:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • support this is the best options. Most aeres-speaking life in the Nethrelands. Duût-Aeres is almost dyed out with less as 50 people. East-Aeres has just a little bit less people as West-Aeres but it's mostly used on the incubatorpage. Kremnae 03:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • After some thinking, I guess this is the best option, ¾ of all aeresspeakers, more even, live in the netherlands and more important is that aeres is more related to dutch than to germna. Frysk-Aeres(FY-AE) would also be an option but I think, it's origin is frysk, that the language has changed too much for that onme. -Markvondeegel 19:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC) I really need to work on my english! or my keyboard...[reply]
    • I am Deutsch Aeres but i think that's not the best option. There are only 2 deutsch aeres people online sometime. This is the best option. --Kukaen 07:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • NL-OU
  • DU-AE : Ourish as part of the German language.
  • DU-OU
  • FY-AE : Ourish as part of the Frisian language.
    • Support This is the best option. Related to Frisian, but the language doesn't sound really Frisian anymore, if it ever did(I don't no so much about how it sound a long time ago), what's wrong with AERES as ISO-code? I think that one is better then all these, If you see: no existing ISO code looks even a little bit like it and it's long 5 characters, but your sugegstions all have 5 characters too. Wasn't there also a wikipedia with BE-X-OLD? JeroenKon 06:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • FY-OU
  • Sorry, these are all no ISO codes. An ISO code is a code as understood by any of the different ISO-639 versions. GerardM 22:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I know i should not make a special adaption for wiki; i understand that you rather have a traditional 2 or 3 digit code. --Micha1712
      • These codes will not be accepted. When you want to have an ISO code ask for one. The only requirement is proof that it is an actual language. GerardM 07:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Ofcourse, these won't be accepted. These are combinations. Ooswesthoesbes 08:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • You miss the point. No code, no project. GerardM 05:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
            • That's ridiculous! There was a tokipona Wikipedia, which was closed because there was no activity, and not because there wasn't an ISO code. SPQRobin 11:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
              • No code, no project? Please tell that to these people. Most of the codes here are dialects placed under an bigger language group.simple be-x-old ru-sib zh-yue map-bms zh-min-nan nds-nl bat-smg zh-classical fiu-vro GerardM, please explain these 10 wiki's. why don't they have a proper code? Let's see. We are doing what 10 other wiki's did. Placing our dialect under another language. Just like 10 other wiki's did. There are more then 10 wiki's doing this. Why do you ask? Well there are not enough letters in the alphabet; so smaller dialects are usually placed under a bigger language. Thats why you have iso codes for different language groups. Like Germanic or Sino-tibetan in order to make sure that different smaller dialects can be described in a iso code. first you write the language group a dialect belongs too. In our case that’s Dutch, then you add the language code used for your own dialect that is also being used by another bigger language because; you can only use 26 different letters in combinations of 2 and 3. I hope you do know that nl is the iso code for Dutch? So the language code is ae; but its beings placed under the heading nl. -- Don't you enjoy getting lots of attention from other people GerardM? --Micha1712
              • Aeres is a language unlike said by User:GerardM. No code, no language? What about no code, no human! -Markvondeegel 20:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiaWikipedia (New Idea)


I've already start voting on the wikia about my newest idea: here under the heading "Test Wikipedia plaôse nah Wikia?". My idea is to move the incubator to the Wikia (almost no activity because it's about aeres). You can compare my idea to the Tokipona Wikipedia who is also hosted by Wikia. If this request is rejected the pages are still on the Wikia and we can change the Wikia into a Wikipedia. Another good point: no prefixes anymore :) Please add comments and votes here under the heading "Test Wikipedia plaôse nah Wikia?". -Markvondeegel 08:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • One single user does not have the right to cancel a project; and GerardM refuses to respond to our questions. When he was asked why he did not agree with us placing our dialect under the Dutch language group he refused to respond. --Micha1712
    • Well, it doesn't matter anymore. We have almost finished translating the interface at the wikia. The only disadvantage is that we are unable to use commons. We need to upload everything which also delays the removal of the incubator. (We transfer all pages to the wikia) -Markvondeegel 08:45, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What if ...


The language is constructed.... Looking to some things, it looks constructed. --OosWesThoesBes 15:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

... Vælke 14:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is a constructed language. That is fine, but it has no standing, no ISO code.. so it is denied a Wikipedia. GerardM 18:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think with the not-existing of any sources: Yes, it's constructed and if I wouldn't agree with you then you could blow me away. And ISO-639.... I'll request one, no problem :) But is Wikipedia really so important for constructed languages?...? --OosWesThoesBes 18:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've got no idea were you guys are talking over. I can tell you that the Aeres community now has created a large encyclopedia on paper. Maybe if there once will be, we get online. -Markvondeegel 15:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]