Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Classical Japanese 3

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The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved.

  • Check that the project does not already exist (see list).
  • Obtain an ISO 639 code
  • Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki.
  • Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code ojp (SILGlottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Classical Japanese Language name in English
Language name 文語 Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q1332057 - item has currently the following values:
Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality LTR Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.

Settings
Project name ヰキペヂア "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Asia/Tokyo "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit Phabricator task. It will include everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings. After creating the task, add a link to the comment.

Reasons of request[edit]

It has been about fifteen years since the former request, and the attempt of establish Classical Japanese Wikipedia is worth discussed again. Classical Japanese is written language in Japan since Heian Period(794-1185) until 1945. It played the same role as Classical Chinese in Chinese history, and Latin in European history.Many of masterpieces of Japanese literature such as ”The Tale of Genji” were written in it. Classical Japanese is known a little by many of Japanese people even now because of school education, but it is gradually becoming vulnerable because some influencers support abolition of Japanese and Chinese classics in education recently, so it needs to be preserved. --セリック (talk) 06:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

提案の理由[edit]

前回の提案から15年近くが経過している為、また議論する価値はあるのではないかと思ったからです。 文語(ここでは「古文」「古典日本語」を想定)は平安時代から終戦まで日本語の書き言葉として使われていました。その役割は、中国史の漢文やヨーロッパ史のラテン語に相当します。源氏物語などの日本文学の名作の多くが文語で書かれました。 文語は学校教育により今でも多くの日本人が少しは知っていますが、近年は古文・漢文の教育からの廃止を支持するインフルエンサーもいることからその立場は脆弱で、保護が必要です。 --セリック (talk) 06:48, 10 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Discussion[edit]

Somewhat confused, if your request is indeed Classical Japanese (Q1332057), that language doesn't have a valid code and you'll need to ask SIL to request one, if you're contributing at incubator:Wp/ojp, that's Old Japanese (move?). --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:11, 10 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Liuxinyu:Old Japanese Wikipedia you introduced to me matches my request. I'll make article there. Thank you. --セリック (talk) 09:59, 10 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Liuxinyu: now you linked from Wp/ojp to here. So is it the same or not? --MF-W 11:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In that page the language parameter is written as "Classical Japanese", maybe a grandfathered issue. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:08, 10 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Anyway, both Classical Japanese and Old Japanese are in my opinion not eligible due to LPP. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment Comment For now, Old Japanese has a distinct language code, ojp. The last discussion talked about the difference between Old Japanese and Classical Japanese, and according to Wikipedia, Classical Japanese seems to be a language that Old Japanese evolved from. As far as Incubator is concerned, there is no distinction between Old Japanese and Classical Japanese, so I don't think there is a problem with the language code. --Tmv (talk) 09:38, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]