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Komi-Permyak Wikipedia

main page Requests for new languages (Wikipedia Komi-Permyak 2)
submitted verification final decision
Application-certificate.svg This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project.

The closing committee member provided the following comment:

The Komi-Permyak Wikipedia has been created at http://koi.wikipedia.org. —Pathoschild 23:18:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Proposal summary
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Komi-Permyak is a Finno-Ugric language related to Komi-Zyrian (kv:) and Udmurt (udm:). Number of speakers is 94,300 (2002 census). It is spoken and has official status in Komi-Permyak Okrug of Perm Krai, Russia.

Previous request was closed during a reform.

Arguments in favour

  • Support Strong support. Komi-permyak language has own literary norm issued more than 250 years ago. Many books and newspapers were published in this one. There are the Komi-permyak publishing house, national theatre and TV in Permyak people's capital - Kudymkar. But at the same time Permyak people suffers from excessive russification and forgets its own language especially after association Komi-Permyak Okrug with Russian-speaking Perm Oblast in 2005 Yufereff 20:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Support. This project will help language to affirm as a cyberspace. --HalanTul 01:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Total support. This language has more then two hundred years of the written tradition. The first list of Komi-Permyak words (alongside the Komi-Zyrian one) is published by academician Muller in 1756. The first Komi-Permyak grammar and the first comprehensive dictionary have been created by some native speakers in 1785. The first translation of the gospel into Komi-Permyak language was completed in 1823. The first printed grammar is issued in 1861. ABC-books and readers on the Komi-Permyak language are in use since 1894. The process of standardizing and developing a norm for the Komi-Permyak literary language took place over the period between 1921 and 1938. At that time in Komi-Permyak have been published more then 350 books including a large set of textbooks for school on geography, history, mathematics, chemistry, physics, biology and some other subjects. Modern spelling norms were codified in 1938. At the same time the language was exposed to serious oppressions from the Soviet/Russian state. Over the next decades it has led to significant reduction of number of its speakers (only 94 000 person at this moment). However the language continue to be studied at school, there are some new textbooks on the mother tongue and the national literature in Komi-Permyak, the language is to some degree presented in local press and TV. But on the Internet the presence of this language was until recently minimal. In my opinion Wikipedia must support the Komi-Permyak project now also because there are native speakers ready to develop it. Enye Lav 17:36, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Support. Long written tradition and considerable number of speakers nowadays. There are already some very good looking articles at Incubator. Amikeco 20:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support. Komi-Permyak is language with official status in Russia (in borders of Komi-Permyak Okrug of Perm Krai) (Regional Charter of Perm Krai, Chapter 42) Iskander 00:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Strong Support: Native speakers of Komi-Permyak have the competency and willingness to contribute to this project in the long-term. Hence the Komi-Permyak language deserves to be given the opportunity and priviledge to have its own language edition of Wikipedia along with the existing CIS languages such as Mari, Moksha, Erzya and so on. --Jose77 04:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support. In the part of Perm Region (Komi'Permyak Okrug) the language is using in official sphere nowadays. Komi-Permyak language needs to be present in Wikipedia project, especially since there are users who are native speakers. Permico 23:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Support Support. Language with long-time literally tradition and official status. There are mass media on Komi-Permyak and appearance of Wikipedia shoud be necessary stage of development of language. —Emaus 12:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Support: developing language--Andrijko Z. 14:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Strong support. The Komi-Permyak Wikipedia has the same right as a lot of other languages. -Eino81 22:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Support Support. This Komi-Permyak Wikipedia has a good potential, there are some native speakers that can write articles, and a crowd of wikimedians from Russian edition that are eager to help them in technical issues. In Russian Wikipedia we also has a special project for assisting editions in non-Russian languages of the peoples of Russia. Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 04:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC) (I came here due to the following discussion: http://ru.wikipedia.org/?oldid=27301664 )
  • Support Strong support All finno-ugor wikipedias are developing very well. I think Komi-Permyak Wikipedia will develope very well too.Kaiyr 18:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Arguments against

Other discussion

The name of the language used in official educational use is "коми-пермяцкӧй кыв". It is needed to use this form of name of language or the less russified form "коми-перым кыв"? Permico 23:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

  • The optimal form which is used by postsoviet media and was decided to use by our Komi-Permyak wiki community is «Перем Коми кыв» («ПерЫм» is in Komi-Zyryan). Administrators of Translatewiki have also agreed with us. Iskander 18:05, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Localisation update

  • At this moment 7.84% of the most messages have been localised. GerardM 07:23, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
  • 100% of the most messages have been localised. Chuposhka 11:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
    • Actually it is now at 100% GerardM 17:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Approval

The project has been approved by the Language committee. While we are waiting for at most 7 days for approval from the Board, please fill the next form:

  • Language code: koi
  • Site url: koi.wikipedia.org
  • Project name ("Wikipedia" in your language): Википедия
  • Project namespace (usually the same as the project name): Википедия
  • Project talk namespace: Баитам Википедия йылiсь
  • Project logo (135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image): Wikipedia-logo-v2-koi.png
  • Default project timezone: YEKT (UTC+5) / YEKST (UTC+6)

--Millosh 14:47, 5 September 2010 (UTC) 10:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

We, actually, need an independent linguist to confirm that the test project has been written in Komi-Permyak. --Millosh 19:06, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Who should search for the expert? Try to find it in administration of Komi-Permyak of district (the Fax +7(34260)4-24-55, the Post address the Perm krai, Kudymkar, street Lihacheva, 54, E-mail admkud@permonline.ru) or write the letter in komi-permjak a museum: www.museum.ru/M780, E-mail: museum@kudymkar.ru, +7(34260)4-5692 HalanTul 21:30, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
We were waiting for some time to get the response of one expert, but we've got it finally and he's confirmed that the project is consisted of articles in Komi-Permyak language. So, the project has been approved by LangCom and we are waiting for up to 7 days for the Board. Please, fill the form above in the mean time, so I would be able to fill the bug request for project creation when the time comes. --Millosh 10:26, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Board approved the project and bug request has been filled: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25130 --Millosh 12:36, 10 September 2010 (UTC)