Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Libyan Arabic

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Libyan Arabic
submitted verification final decision
Process-stop.svg This proposal has been rejected.
While this request has technically been rejected, in reality this is a request that has been sitting open or on hold for a long time with little evidence of a community coming together to build a project. If a community comes together in the future and makes a new request, LangCom would consider that new request without prejudice.

A committee member provided the following comment:

If a new community appears, it is welcome to submit a new application. For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 17:04, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code ayl (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Libyan Arabic Language name in English
Language name ليبي Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q56503 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Libyan Arabic
  • native label (P1705) =
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = dialect, modern language / Maghrebi Arabic
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) =
  • writing system (P282) = Arabic alphabet
  • number of speakers (P1098) =


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name Wikilibia "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace Wikilibia usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace Discussion Wikilibia "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:Wikipedia svg logo-ayl.svg 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone EET (UTC+2) "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Replace this line with your opening argument in favour of the new project.

Arguments in favour[edit]

  • Libyan is spoken by over 6 million people in Libya (NTC estimates libyan population to be a lot more). It has been often mistakenly called a dialect, for political and religious reasons, when in fact it is an autonomous language with its own dialects. It resembles Written Arabic used as the official language in many countries in North Africa and the Middle East; however, "pure" Libyan is not mutually intelligible with any other so-called Arabic dialects, except maybe for Tunisian, in fact, some Libyan dialects aren't mutually intelligible between each other. The syllabe structure of Libyan is very distinct from that of written Arabic, the vocabulary used in Libyan is very different from that of written Arabic and reveals historical influences from Italian and Turkish. Only Educated or at least literate Libyans can understand written Arabic for obvious reasons. Finally, as Libya is beginning a new chapter in its history, and the libyan identity is being renovated, Libyan is used now more than ever in poetry, music, tv shows, caricatures, painting on the walls, hopefully even books and newspapers in the near future.

Arguments against[edit]

  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Our Bigger country is divided into 22 puppet states. Does this mean we need to have a separate Wikipedia for each? Absolutely NOT. Besides these emotional reasons, the fact that Libyan Arabic is no different from Tunisian or western Egyptian makes the claims of an identity language made by the person who proposed this invalid. Actually I doubt the existence of such "a Libyan dialect, let alone language, as the Arabic dialect in eastern Libya is different from the one in western Libya, so which one will be adopted? Furthermore, I doubt the presence of substantial support for such a wiki. I am not sure about the significance or nature of the book mentioned by the user suggesting this project. Is it really written in a spoken dialect? I would not even know how to write in this dialect, although I am a native Arabic speaker and fully understand the dialect. Having said this, this project will find no contributions and will fail if ever started. We don't need additional dead projects. عمرو بن كلثوم 01:25, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose I am libyan and oppose, because it is not a language, but it is the tone, and the Libyans are Arabs and understand the Arabic language and using the Arabic Wikipedia --Mohammedbas (talk) 12:30, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose --Alaa :)..! 11:43, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose--مصعب (talk) 12:23, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Other discussion[edit]

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