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Welcome to Meta![edit]

Hello, StevenJ81. Welcome to the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki! This website is for coordinating and discussing all Wikimedia projects. You may find it useful to read our policy page. If you are interested in doing translations, visit Meta:Babylon. You can also leave a note on Meta:Babel or Wikimedia Forum (please read the instructions at the top of the page before posting there). Happy editing!

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Cdlt (or sometimes Cdt) is indeed cordialement (and sometimes I write A galon or A gln which is the same but in breton).

Cdlt, VIGNERON * discut. 07:58, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Merci. (Mais je ne parle pas de bréton...) Face-tongue.svg StevenJ81 (talk) 20:18, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Dutch Wikinews[edit]

Sorry, I did not see your request to stop in time. I will await the outcome now. The Banner (talk) 12:06, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Guianan Wikipedia[edit]

Oh no, dont worry, in fact it's one of my biggest dream to create the Guianan Wikipedia, so it's surely I was not expecting it to be done in my place !

That is, I created the Main Page and now what should I do to create the Guianan Wikipedia ???

Global site announcements, strategy style[edit]

I don't know where the list of local community pages is -- ask the people posting strategy updates? That's who has posted most recently to beta.wv's Babel. SJ talk  04:40, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

@Sj: Found, and commented at RfD page. Those announcements are found at incubator:Incubator:Wikimedia news. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


Hi there, why was the entry here vandalism? ἕτοιμοί ἐσμεν. θαρρεῖν means we are ready, be of good courage (verify here and here). I am proceeding to revert the change. Gts-tg (talk) 23:47, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

My apologies. I'm not entirely sure why I marked it that way. The comment was by an IP, it resembled the work of an LTA IP we see around RFL from time to time, and it was unsigned. But you are right to revert me. (I'd encourage you to put an {{unsigned}} template there.)
FWIW, I really don't know how I feel about ancient languages having Wikipedias, and think that policy decision ought to belong to WMF. But if they plan to allow any ancient language projects at all, grc would be at the top of my list. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:20, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks + I've already placed an unsigned template to the comment. About the ancient language wikis, there is a change of policy in the committe and it has very recently already taken effect on Coptic. I'm keeping the champaigne cool for the grc. Gts-tg (talk) 07:57, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
I frankly hadn't read the LangCom discussion quite the same way myself, but MF-W is a member of LangCom, so who am I to argue with his interpretation? In any event, if you want to have Wp/grc approved, you need to have at least three active editors with ten edits each every single month. (They don't have to be the same three every month.) You had that through most of 2016, but not at all so far in 2017. So I'd encourage you to make that happen. StevenJ81 (talk) 12:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, but I think that having something approved as being eligible is independent from having the wiki created (in which case there needs to be some movement within the wiki as you described). For the time being I am waiting for the eligibility step to occur, and after that it'll only be a matter of time as the editors will have something tangible to work against (it's been 12 years of heavy editing in periods, and the grc wiki should be one of the most complete/ready wikis in the incubator). Gts-tg (talk) 19:11, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Missing admin e-mail[edit]

A note on a recent incident: I think that if you cannot find an active admin with registered e-mail, the right thing to do is to post "I need to reach an admin confidentially. Does any active admin have working e-mail?" or similar on a suitable page (such as the village pump on many smaller projects). If you want to raise a discussion, then do that separately, when the issue has been resolved, not to draw attention to the case as long as an outsider could take advantage of mistakenly published information.

(Clear text e-mail is of course not the right way to handle confidential information, but in the situation at hand I think e-mail would be private enough. You might even get a link to an admin's pgp keys by the suggested message.)

--LPfi (talk) 13:30, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Notification of Wikimedia Belarus with regards to Proposal for closing projects/Closure of Taraskievica Wikipedia[edit]

Dear StevenJ81

why should a planned chapter be notified since it is only in discussion phase and has no bylaws that we know of.

Its status has not been updated much since May 29, 2010 at 22:12:34‎ (CEST).

I believe that planned chapters without establishment under local law should not be formally involved. We have somewhat more active Wikimedia Community User Group Belarus instead, even if the entire proceedings should be deferred because of the existing local be-tarask community. Even the title of the proposal is controversial, since it omits the word Belarusian (Belarusian (Taraškievica orthography)). Thanks for a reply. Yours sincerely! -- Nesmir Kudilovič (razgovor) 19:46, nedjelja, 24. rujna 2017. (SEV)

By all means. I simply want to make sure that the Belarus community, wherever it is, is aware of the proposal. (I hope you understood from the comment that I wrote that I don't think this is a very good idea. But I want to make sure that nobody can claim that people weren't notified.) StevenJ81 (talk) 19:19, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Nahuatl Wikipedia 2[edit]

Hello; In this page, is over second closure for Nahuatl Wikipedia. Regards.--Marrovi (talk) 14:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Saludos de Marrovi[edit]

Hiciste un buen trabajo como moderador, muchas gracias por participar en el tema del idioma náhuatl, aunque no lo creas esto es un gran avance para las lenguas nahuas de mi país. Era necesario que Akapochtli se expresara sin problema alguno para que las comunidades de hablantes maternos de lenguas nahuas sepan quien es realmente [redacted].

Pues Huiquipedia, sigue siendo un proyecto fracasado mientras no existan hablantes nativos en lenguas náhuatl, Tepoxteco es un persona muy ocupada con la Universidad, realmente no tiene mucho tiempo para editar en Huiquipedia aunque si le grada el proyecto (ha editado hasta ahora los mejores artículos de interés para hablantes maternos de náhuatl), él es traductor de español a lengua náhuatl, es maestro en lingüística y un gran activista de su lengua materna, ahora se encuentra en la radio de Guadalajara para realizar foros en lengua náhuatl con invitados de habla materna. Teotlalilli es actor, él es parte del teatro en lengua náhuatl de la Ciudad de México, también es traductor de español a la lengua náhuatl de la Huasteca Poblana; como puedes ver son personas muy ocupadas en la revitalización de su lengua materna, en un momento creyeron que Huiquipedia podía servir a su lengua, pero ahora tienen sus dudas respecto a lo sucedido con los comentarios de Akapochtli donde se le observa intolerante en todo lo que ha expuesto de forma abierta.

No caigas en la inocencia de que Akapochtli tiene muchos amigos nativos de lengua náhuatl, él se respaldó durante mucho tiempo en hablantes maternos como Tepoxteco ([redacted]) para sus estudios de maestría sobre lengua náhuatl, pero al ver que fueron timados por esta persona (con amplio desprecio hacia los pueblos indígenas), se han limitado a no cederle información y que rasque con sus uñas por malagradecido. Pues él es más dolido de fracasos, por lo que veo a través de sus comentarios, es Akapochtli, un tipo con fuertes problemas de aceptación a sí mismo, que por casualidad se vio involucrado en Huiquipedia y a la falta de hablantes nativos en el proyecto se le cede un cargo de administrador, lo cual lo defiende a capa y espada porque tal vez sea lo único en lo que es respetado con su doctorado en Bekerley, Califoria sobre lenguas nahuanas como ha hecho creer a mucha gente, ya que Victoriano me comenta que [redacted] (Akapochtli) no es doctor en lenguas nahuas por ninguna universidad y que es un engaño para quienes no lo conocen.

Entiendo que os parece una buena persona, pero al menos quienes lo conocen en persona no lo toleran por ser engreído respecto al idioma náhuatl sacando a relucir sus estudios y despreciando el conocimiento de los propios hablantes maternos. Yo realmente no tengo interés alguno en conocer personas como esta, basta con mirar su comportamiento, sus formas de ataque y de desprestigio, sus actos de desleales hacia los pueblos indígenas y su falta de humildad. Y si tiene una porra de hispanohablantes es para llevarme la contraria, más no porque quieran hacer un trabajo eficiente con las lenguas indígenas, a veces creo que lo respaldan solo para no contradecir lo que han argumentado respecto a mi persona. Steven, tú mejor que yo sabes que es mentira que haya cometido sabotaje en Huiquipedia, proponer a Tepoxteco y Teotlalilli (que si son verdaderos hablantes nativos), no es un sabotaje, es justicia social sobre una lengua que les pertenece. Si Akapochtli creé que es su proyecto personal (Huiquipedia), pues adelante, eso no resuelve los problemas a los que enfrenta la lengua náhuatl respecto al avance del español entre las comunidades nativas.

Sobre tu intensión de iniciar un foro sobre este tema, creo que es una buena idea, pero que sea abordado por personas hispanohablantes completamente desvinculados del idioma náhuatl no creo que traiga muchos frutos; tal vez lo mejor es visitar las comunidades indígenas donde la lengua náhuatl es de uso cotidiano, reclutar jóvenes con estudios de informática o estudios de nivel superior educativo y tratar de convencerlos que Wikipedia es un gran proyecto para ellos y para sus comunidades, apoyar a las escuelas con pc, laptops o herramientas multimedia que puedan usar en las escuelas de nivel superior de las comunidades indígenas. Forear con hispanohablantes es un trabajo muy desgastante, realmente las wikipedias en lenguas indígenas son un trampolín para ellos y no un proyecto conjunto de utilidad para verdaderos hablantes de las lenguas indígenas.--Marrovi (talk) 04:23, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Pues seguiré trabajando en pro de las lenguas indígenas de mi país o de América, no creo que haya fracasado, sino todo lo contrario, creo que he dado importantes pasos para la promoción de las lenguas americanas visto de ópticas distintas a la de los mestizos americanos; aunque les duela algunos, nadie ha trabajado tanto en este tema como yo en Wikipedia. Trabajar por las lenguas indígenas no es ir en mi contra y hacer comentarios para mostrar el apoyo a Akapochtli (como actualmente sucede), trabajar por las lenguas indígenas es ver estrategias de solución para que los hablantes maternos se vean atraídos por la Wikipedia y vean en esta herramienta un apoyo para sus comunidades, más no para crecer el ego de los mestizos e hispanohablantes, que se desgastan en pelar y competir por quien tiene la razón o quien sabe más náhuatl o más inglés (o en el peor de los casos, que ven les deje un dinerito este tipo de wikipedias).--Marrovi (talk) 04:43, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Otro punto; según Akapochtli, trata de convencerte que él y Cuaitl pueden asumir responsabilidad de la lengua náhuatl sabiendo que ambos no son hablantes maternos; en su desesperación de no perder privilegios te ha inventado que Huiquipedia está bien con solo ellos dos como editores. Pues bien, Cuaitl es una gran persona muy entusiasta por normar la lengua náhuatl de forma similar a la lengua alemana y español, Cuaitl es abogado y vive en España; él conoce el náhuatl clásico y se ha casado con esa lengua muerta porque creé que es el náhuatl puro y las lenguas nahuas modernas son corrupción y deformación del náhuatl puro. El problema de pensar que el náhuatl es alemán es confundir dos lenguas de diferentes familias lingüistícas, de entrada el náhuatl o las lenguas nahuas no provienen de un origen indo-europeo, por ende la construcción de los párrafos y la sintaxis del náhuatl no es idéntica ni similar a la del idioma alemán ni mucho menos a la del idioma castellano que lengua romance.
La lengua náhuatl tiene sus propias normas de origen, hay lenguas como el shoshón, el hopi, el od'aham, el mayo, el rarámuri o el huichol que si tienen una semejanza con el náhuatl tanto en estructura como en palabras y eso debe a que son de la familia yuto-azteca, lo cual contradice a la propuesta de Cuaitl de alemanizar o castellaniar al idioma náhuatl; hay artículos de Cuaitl como este nah:Gustavo Adolfo Becquer, artículos que si tienen relación con el modo de pensar de Cuaitl, pero que están fuera de contexto de pensamiento indígena nahua, además tiene una estructura de redacción que solo entiende Cuaitl y que un hablante nativo no logra entender, no es malo que haya artículos como este, pero no le dice nada a los hablantes nativos, lo cual hace de Huiquipedia un espacio para aficionados al náhuatl sin ser un espacio para hablantes maternos a las lenguas nahuas vivas.--Marrovi (talk) 03:05, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Un gran conflicto con el que se topan mis adversarios es que cuando tratan de inmiscuirse en el tema de las lenguas indígenas de México, allí está mi sombra y mi trabajo con muchos años de adelanto respecto a sus ediciones, no les es posible desaparecer mi trabajo, lo cual les llena de celo o envidia, ni siquiera con sus bloqueos han podido contra mi, lo cual les molesta el topar con editores que no son ordinarios, ni fácil de burlar o de desaparecer, ya que ignoran que todos se mueven en estos círculos de forma diferente. Ya pudiste comprobar que no soy la fea persona que Akapochtli trata de dibujar y desprestigiar, es verdad que tengo muchos errores, pero también tengo muchas virtudes que les resulta envidiables, por ende, sus modos de proceder siempre es buscar el desprestigio y señalar que se violan reglas, después de que estos se vuelven mañosos y aprenden a manipular los principios cuando asumen cargos, asumiendo que son mucho más expertos que yo, cuando en realidad son simples aprendices del mismo camino por el cual voy andando. Estamos en contacto y ya estaré editando en tu foreo en español sobre la lengua náhuatl. Saludos amigo. --Marrovi (talk) 03:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Steven, tú sabes que conozco tu idioma inglés y lo entiendo, pero te pido una disculpa por no editar en inglés, tú sabes que no me gusta ser lambiscón y la hipocresía no es parte de mis valores, has aprendido a conocerme y agradezco mucho tu amistad, tú sabes que me gusta ser directo y al grano como todo caballero, no tenemos las mis creencias, pero lo que si nos une es la misma sangre.--Marrovi (talk) 03:45, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

OK, guys, stop:

  • Akapochtlli, I responded to Marrovi privately by email. Know that I do not take his comments at face value. Others besides Marrovi have expressed concerns to LangCom about language issues on Nahuatl Wikipedia. There will be an RfC on the subject shortly. In the meantime, do not start arguing about that here. I notify in advance: I will delete that; it doesn't belong on my personal talk page.
  • Marrovi, except on your own talk page, do not remove others' comments from a talk page. I made it pretty clear in my email to you what you need to do in order to be heard on the subject. Part of that includes not using people's real names on-wiki. Do it again and I will block you with no further warning. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:34, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
    • This discussion, on my talk page, is over. If anything is added I will delete. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:38, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Comments on this talk page on substantially the same subject within the next month will be deleted without notice.

Hi Steven[edit]

Hi Steven; I redirected the talks in my Talk page, I would you like to read my talk page, I'm desagree about ofensive notes in my space. Thank you very much. Ya no soporto las bulas como la que allí me colocan con cierto sentido sexual.--Marrovi (talk) 20:43, 10 November 2017 (UTC)--Marrovi (talk) 20:43, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Please delete the offensive comments on my talk page, I'm desperate with this type of sexual attacks.--Marrovi (talk) 20:52, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
@Marrovi: Yes check.svg Done You can always delete things like that from your talk page, notwithstanding what was said in the previous discussion. (The only things you are not allowed to delete from your talk page are things like formal disciplinary notices.) If it happens again, delete the offensive material, then come to me (or better yet, go to WM:RFH) and have a sysop hide the revision. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:45, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-46[edit]

19:19, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-47[edit]

19:18, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Closure proposal under LangCom review[edit]

Hello (again?). I think you must have copied-and-pasted some parameters for Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Norwegian Wikinews 3 as outcome to "keep" outcome to "delete/redirect" in the proposals for closing projects. Did you mean "close"? May you or I please correct it? --George Ho (talk) 07:15, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. ("Keep" is correct in both places.) Sorry for the confusion. StevenJ81 (talk) 08:14, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
No worries, though I commented on the proposed outcome there. Also, what can you do about deletion proposals of Moldovan Wikipedia 2, Moldovan Wiktionary, and Alemannisch Wiktionary, Wikibooks and Wikiquote? The closure proposal list page says that the LangCom's proposed outcomes are "delete/redirect". However, the outcome statuses haven't been updated yet. Did the LangCom mean "delete/redirect" as proposed outcome under review? --George Ho (talk) 09:47, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-48[edit]

20:30, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Soft closure[edit]

Hi. I've been wondering how to ask this; it's to do with the recommendation regarding Norwegian Wikinews. It seems that the project is technically not to be closed, but the committee is recommending "soft closure". If I'm understanding this correctly, what is being recommended is "soft closure" akin to that of Swedish Wikinews, which is papered over with warn-off messages (go away, you're not welcome here); afaics, Swedish Wikinews has been "softly" closed more irrevocably than any project that receives a "hard" closure, effectively salting the earth so that in practice there is no chance of resurrecting it. I really don't wish to be difficult, nor to give offence to anyone, but I do want to understand how things stand. Does the committee intend to guarantee Norwegian Wikinews is forever beyond recovery? Or, if (perchance) the committee does not intend "soft closure" to permanently nix the project, by what means do they believe it would be possible to rescue a project once such a thing has been done to it? (For perspective, I had said during the discussion I was willing to help out with infrastructural difficulties on that project, but found it morale-destroying to have the threat of closure hanging over the thing, so that I could not possibly divert part of my volunteer wiki efforts to that project while the proposal-for-closing was active; but a "soft closure" would also guarantee that I could never do anything for the project.) --Pi zero (talk) 00:38, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Copying to Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Norwegian Wikinews 3 (and responding there). StevenJ81 (talk) 23:51, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-49[edit]

17:50, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-50[edit]

17:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2017-51[edit]

15:26, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


Do users unregustered with IP adress can vote? --Ookuninusi (talk) 21:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Requests for new languages are not votes, they are discussions. Language committee makes the final decision, and it does not count comments. So users with IP addresses are allowed to comment. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:46, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

What was rude in my comment? That guy writes nothing more than ordinary fairy tales. Serbian language equally use two alphabets and it's written on two dialects (ekavian and iekavian). Gorski Vijenac, as one of the biggest and most important literary work on South Slavs literature of XVIII century is written on iekavian dialect and there is no single version on ekavian dialect (as he wrote). If someone wrote nonsense that you must react. As you see I am not for or oppose Montenegrin language on Wikipedia, Language committee will make a decision, but if that new project start with false arguments, for sure it will certainly not be developed on a healthy basis. BTW sorry for my English --НиколаБ (talk) 20:56, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

@НиколаБ: I thought HAHA What a joke was kind of rude—the other contributor clearly did not see it as a joke. Still, I'm not going to remove your comment a third time, and as long as nothing is more problematic than that, I'm going to keep my hands off. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:41, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Oh god. What you doing.. If you want to introduce cgwiki, do it cleanly, no dirty. Zoranzoki21 (talk) 05:21, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-02[edit]

16:19, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-3[edit]

18:46, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-04[edit]

23:55, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

"Final group"?[edit]

In your langcom mailing list post, you say that those 5 are final group of pre-2010 series requests that are not verified as eligible (are on hold+discussion), but fwiw there's also those requests available:

  1. Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Southern Min written with Hanji (you mentioned last year but still have no decision, PS: I suggest to reject that one in favor of phab:T165882, where their community agreed to create a namespace for Hanji contents of Southern Min);
  2. Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Chinuk wawa (on hold, waiting for native speakers);
  3. Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Balochi and Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Eastern Balochi (more complex, mentioned by me at langcom talk page);
  4. Requests for new languages/Wiktionary Pitcairnese (on hold, waiting for native speakers? But they just already have a Wikipedia.)

--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:55, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: Thanks. I know about those.
  • With respect to Southern Min/Hanji, I figured that this one needed to be part of a larger discussion about when it is more appropriate to have separate projects for separate scripts and when to use script converters, extra namespaces and so forth. I wasn't aware of T165882, and frankly that task was a little hard for me to navigate in total. Does it look like this will really happen in some form or another? If so, I'll close it as "rejected by policy" (which it would be), because the issue has been (will have been) satisfactorily addressed through an in-wiki solution.
  • With respect to the Balochi projects, I'm waiting for Satdeep, and figured would address those at that point (along with a later request).
  • With respect to Chinuk wawa, I was simply going to let that sit there. But if LangCom accepts this idea of "rejected as stale", I guess I'll just do that.
  • With respect to Wiktionary Pitcairnese, I could either close as "rejected-as-stale" or make "eligible" since a different project already exists. Any thoughts? StevenJ81 (talk) 10:57, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Montenegrin Wikipedia[edit]

Regarding the Montenegrin project, we’ve written over 1.200 articles on Incubator. Lots of linguistic differences have been written in the discussion page (I know you wanted the “extra evidence” given to SIL but as Adnan Čirgić, establisher of Montenegrin standard said in an interview linked in discussion, this doesn’t exist since technical mistakes had dragged out the process, not them thinking it’s not a language). We’ve started to show examples of violations of NPOV on other Wikis where they are malicious and directed against Montenegrins. I am afraid that members of LangCom do not pay enough attention to this project, and even those who do such as Amir, missed key points (in the concrete example Amir literally missed the number of speakers, let alone all the points we made). Or that they do not understand the complicated nature of this subject which we tried to explain but most probably exactly 0 of them will read. Are there any further suggestions or ways to develop the discussion in some new ways since I’m afraid that it’s going to get quite a bit heated now that historical topics are being mentioned. And is there a way for LangCom members to actually pay attention to this project and carefully read trough the discussion, and not just ignore everything and repeat the same argument over and over again (it’s same, there’s nothing written in there, political project...) since we’ve dedicated so much time to this, it’d be fair from their side at least to read it.—Lujki (talk) 22:03, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

P.S. I know I’m a bit annoying with all these questions and requests and I’m sorry about that. I just want for this project to get a fair chance to be created. That’s why I’d really appreciate a response to the post above, which I hope you haven’t understood as a critic, it really was not, in any way. Just a concern I wanted to share with you, as I am afraid not everyone at LangCom understands the complex nature of this request (regardless of their position for/against it).—Lujki (talk) 19:17, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-05[edit]

17:06, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-06[edit]

20:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-07[edit]

21:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

mel vs. bfg[edit]

In your [69], you changed mel to bfg, but recently I checked SIL pages iso639-3:mel and iso639-3:bfg, they are really different languages that point to Central Melanau and Busang Kayan. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:54, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Things were messed up on that page, and I just made them worse. Thanks for catching me. StevenJ81 (talk) 04:46, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-08[edit]

22:55, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-09[edit]

19:53, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Wikipédia Guyanais ![edit]

Salut, excuse moi, est ce que tu sais comment faire pour avoir le logo du Wikipédia Guyanais, STP ?! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 15:17, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

@LeGuyanaisPure: Va aux trois pages-ci:
Bonne chance! StevenJ81 (talk) 19:03, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-10[edit]

17:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-11[edit]

19:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-12[edit]

15:04, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Incubator Nahua languages.[edit]

Buenas tardes Steven, como caballero ya le respondí a sus preguntas en menos de 72 horas Incubator:User talk:Marrovi, y estoy para aclarar todo lo que usted quiera saber sobre las lenguas náhuatl, pues para eso somos amigos y cuento con muchos libros sobre lenguas nahuas que pueden servir. Pues no soy un usuario ordinario, tengo muchos años estudiando las lenguas nahuas y he trabajado con muchas personas que hablan náhuatl de forma nativa tanto en mi país como fuera de mi país. Me ha sorprendido mucho ahora que se empezaba a trabajar muy bien con las lenguas nahuas, me ponga el pie y de la noche a la mañana sale un usuario del que nunca he visto hacer cosas positivas por las lenguas nahuas, nunca he leído algún trabajo, web o conferencia, tampoco he visto sus trabajos doctorales sobre náhuatl de Bekerly; hasta este momento solo busca entorpecer mi trabajo, se mofa de mi y se pone de acuerdo para buscar pretextos de violación de todo, haciendo creer a medio mundo que yo soy el culpable de todo y que él un ser inmaculado, por la envidia y coraje que le ha generado todo esto lo único que busca solo bloqueos, bloqueos y bloqueos, haciéndose la víctima de que nunca está involucrado y eso lo provoco yo, pero gracias a muchos usuarios de wikipedia, me mandan los mensajes de lo que les escribe y lo que conspira contra mi, ese es su verdadero trabajo. Si de un amigo suceden cosas de mala leche, ahora imagine usted ¿Qué podré esperar de un enemigo?, no me gusta que se juegue conmigo yo no soy un payaso, soy una persona que le gusta estudiar, le gusta trabajar y mi vida es muy digna como la miles de seres humanos, es mejor ser claro y decir las cosas de frente, así es como la gente noble y de muy buena reputación actúa. Si he dicho algo malo o haya hecho algo que le moleste, le pido una disculpa, nunca he tenido la intensión de afectarlo o pasarme de listo con usted porque usted me parece una persona agradable y recta.--Marrovi (talk) 21:51, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Tengo mucho trabajo bien realizado y además estoy asesorado de hablantes nativos cuando hago mis ediciones; Incubator:Wp/nhn/Tochtli, Incubator:Wp/nhn/Tochmeh, Incubator:Wp/nhn/Alotl, Incubator:Wp/nhn/Huehxolotl, Incubator:Wp/nhn/Ocelotl, Incubator:Wp/nhn/Malinalco, Incubator:Wp/nch/Mexko, Incubator:Wp/nch/Palach, Incubator:Wp/nci/Teutontlālpan, etc. Lamentablemente solo se quiere mostrar lo malo o los errores, pero no se muestra lo bueno de mi trabajo, si fuera una mala mala persona no habría editado este traductor en línea [106].

Tengo mucho trabajo reconocido respecto al náhuatl o las lenguas nahuas, tanto en mi país como en el extranjero, no soy un editor ordinario, creo que tengo conocimientos de las lenguas nahuas y además lo he demostrado. [107], yo ya cumplí mi palabra de explicar lo que me pedían, ahora espero que usted cumpla su palabra de quitarme el bloqueo. Le dejo mis imágenes para que se convenza de que no soy nuevo en el tema de las lenguas nahuas y las lenguas indígenas de México, Ojalá de la misma forma que yo le muestro mis trabajos y mis actividades en lenguas náhuatl, así también le mostraran a usted públicamente sus trabajos y sus actividades, ya que es es muy fácil criticar, ofender y burlarse, pero es difícil hacer equipo, colaborar en conjunto en pro de un proyecto que sea útil llamado lenguas náhuatl.--Marrovi (talk) 01:42, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Taller sobre lengua náhuatl en archivos, Universidad de Varsovia y Archivo General de la Nación.jpg
Everything you need to know about Nahuatl languages or about any problem, I can help you and respond immediately, I am not a wizard, I can not guess if you want to know something or ask me about a doubt, I have certified knowledge about the Nahuatl languages, but If something I do not know, I can ask friends who are native speakers.

I'm not ordinary editor, I can help you about nahuatl languages, I'm studing Nahuatl languages since 2003, I have meetings with academics and native speakers. I have many books and a lot of material about the Nahuatl languages.--Marrovi (talk) 15:15, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Again the answer[edit]

Shalom Steven.

Question 1. How many pages (approximately) have you copied from Huiquipedia to Incubator? Let me point out to you that ... You are allowed to copy. When you copy, you must add attribution for the source. You have to say where you copied things from. If you did not do that, you are in violation of copyright under CC-BY-SA 3.0 and GFDL. And copyright violation can result in a block.

I was copied 31 articles from Huiquipedia to incubator.--Marrovi (talk) 17
46, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Question 2. I note from the discussion we had at m:Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Nahuatl Wikipedia 2 that the question of just what language(s) the Nahuatl Wikipedia is written in is not so clear. But it does seem pretty clear that Classical Nahuatl (nci) is certainly a language used in that project. So I do not see why we would have a project Wp/nci. How do you justify that?
Central nahuatl is Life language, Classical Nahuatl is dead language.--Marrovi (talk) 17
46, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
The case around Central Nahuatl (nhn) is a little less clear, but on the whole I also wonder why we have a project Wp/nhn. Please explain that, as well. (Remember: two sentences, not a whole essay.)
Question 3. If so many pages you copy of Nahuatl Wikipedia to different tests here are identical, then why do we need multiple tests here? Recall that LangCom is not willing to approve tests when the language is not noticeably different from that of an existing test. Please explain.

Please answer these questions. Thank you. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:34, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Huiquipedia is a jumble of words, words invented by users, mix Classical Nahuatl language with different life languages, that generates confusion and deception, that's why created (nci), so that once again the articles are hailed, be clear only in classic Nahuatl and not in inventions; that's why I copied them and pasted them in Incubator as (nci).--Marrovi (talk) 17
46, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Señor Steven; Ya está explicado todo ¿Ahora que prosigue?.--Marrovi (talk) 18:23, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

I respect a Shabbat, but now you can answer me my friend. You are witness that the questions were answered, as a gentleman I gave my word and my answers. Have you a nice day.--Marrovi (talk) 18:53, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

I write to User talk:MarcoAurelio in Spanish language, because is other witness in this case.--Marrovi (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-13[edit]

20:04, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Bengali Wikivoyage for langcom approval[edit]

Hello Steven, Could you please propose to langcom to approve Bengali Wikivoyage? Last 4 months, we have been working on this project, we have good number of editor & 320 good articles. Thank you. --Aftabuzzaman (talk) 13:52, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@Aftabuzzaman: You really are close, and I'm going to add your project at Incubator:Featured wikis. The main question people may have is whether there are really enough pages yet. See Wikivoyage: consider that except for Hindi Wikivoyage, which was approved prematurely, no other independent Wikivoyage has fewer than about 800 pages. LangCom is hesitating to approve another Wikivoyage test about 100 pages smaller than yours. Try to push over 400 mainspace pages, and then let's have another look. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:32, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for reply. I will communicate this message to our voyage editors. It will take at least one month to complete 400+ articles. I will let you know. thank you again. --Aftabuzzaman (talk) 20:19, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi Steven, we have created 410+ articles. Please take a look. what do you think about articles quality? Is it possible to request about approval of Bengali Wikivoyage? --Aftabuzzaman (talk) 19:45, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
It's about 20:30 local time for me. Will try to have a look tomorrow. StevenJ81 (talk) 00:23, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Notification of suspension[edit]

For extended use of the admin tools, you have made admin policy useful. As such, your access to administrator tools have been suspended for the 1st of April.

Best regards, --Artix Kreiger (Message Wall) 14:58, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

@Artix Kreiger: (grinning sigh) Sometimes, I'd be very pleased to have my access suspended! Thanks for your good wishes. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-14[edit]

19:29, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


An RfC or something similar was announced here, and some people are curious even if we don't contribute. What's the status of that? 06:06, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

It hasn't happened just yet. Remember, we're all volunteers, and the person who really needs to head that up couldn't get to it yet. I expect it to get underway in the next week or so. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-15[edit]

18:09, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


User:Cuiatl wrote this article nah:Gustavo Adolfo Becquer, this person no Mexican, no Indigenous people, but Wikipedia is a free and globalized encyclopedia, that is why I am not opposed to the publication of articles like these even though it has nothing to do with Mexican indigenous culture, it's a sing of the Huquipedia users are not native speakers of Nahuatl languages, they only invent texts and articles that nobody will be able to correct or to indicate mistakes, their references are invented words as Maxaliuhcayotl, in references was wrotten this text; quinezcayotia romanticismo (Ma xiquitta in tlahtoltecpanaliztli tehtlahtol). Maxalihuini (noihuan maxaliuhqui) quihtoznequi apasionado, romántico, embobado, embelesado nozo encaprichado.

Invented words in this article nah:Gustavo Adolfo Becquer; omontetl, tlahtollaliani, Maxaliuhcayotl [2], maxalihuini tlahuehcauhtli, ohuehhuechihualoc, zatepamaxalihuini[3], quixahcicaittac, itetlapanotlaliz, icennenahualiz, mahuizotl, Tlahtollaliztli, tlahtollotl, tlatocalli, tlacehcentlaliztli, amoxcuiloliztli, españayotl. (Electronic classical nahuatl dictionary Search here).

I tried in incubator to improve things but once again Akapochtli sought to close the way for anyone to tell of their wrongdoing in Huiquipedia. He says he writes in (nhn), Central Nahuatl, but you have just realized that Akapochtli has an ignorance of Central Nahuatl confusing it with classic Nahuatl, or manipulating the confusion to ignore the subject. It is regrettable that the amount of invented words and texts that only Akapochtli understands in Huquipedia continues to be defended. If Akapochtli wants to control everything in Huquipedia is because behind his arguments is the manipulation that will always attack any person who is aware of the errors and their bad work, and also for everything seeks blockades becoming the victim that blocks because it's assaulted.

If you are interested, we can review each article published in Huquipedia to show everything that is said there, and you will see the large number of words invented and texts with personal turns of mestizos without acesoría of native speakers, because Nahuatl is not equal to Spanish thought , I am already very tired, I am disillusioned with wikipedia and I do not have much encouragement to edit; but I have knowledge of the subject and for that reason I dare to give opinion, I feel bad that they are rejected of the projects only to clarify the truth, but I can not lie, that is part of my personal values. Regards--Marrovi (talk) 00:33, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Huiquipedia 2[edit]

Hello Steven, I am writing to you to see that in Huiquipedia there is no such correction or revision of each article, because anyone who ignores the Nahuatl languages ​​will not be able to realize the amount of errors in the editions.

Once AndresXXV is another Spanish-speaking mestizo with whom Akapochtli tries to manipulate the situation that is making a correct revision of the articles. Well today I was reading the article nah:Opuntia ficus-indica and I found a number of invented words that are not part of the vocabulary of Central Nahuatl or Classic Nahuatl, that does not deceive Akapochtli or AndresXXV of speaking Nahuatl languages, it is very sad that these people defend a project and have created a Nahuatl of them and not a Nahuatl that we have all studied in universities.

The structure of syntax and format corresponds to Spanish and never to Nahuatl languages. To begin with, the real Nahuatlatos do not understand or write in Latin, since the classification of the taxonomy in Latin and to name the plants and animals in Latin or scientific name It is typical of Spanish speakers and never of Nahua speakers; Nahua speakers would say nejpali, nojpali, nohpalli, nochtli, tenochtli, nohpalitl, panujle or tomojli, but never opuntia ficus-indica; Each Nahua language calls this plant in different ways as we have just seen.

in imacehualtoca nohpalli, according to AndresXXV, did he say that the Indigeous people call, but what the natives call nohpalli? In Mexico there are many different groups to the Nahua people and also these are macehualli (indigenous people), buy Nahua people is nahuatlacah, as soon as nahuatlacah itoca nohpalli. Plant in Classical nahuatl and Central nahuatl is quilitl. Akapochtli or AndrewXXV invented the words centlamantli (object?), tlanelhuayotl (plant?), neneuhcayotl (category?) and ixipihtolli (description?), icoquitihuan (gloquidios), words that will never appear in Nahuatl dictionaries but only they understand them because native speakers and students of classical Nahuatl will never understand them (Electronic Classical nahuatl dictionary Search here).

I'm sorry that Steven is tricked all the time by Akapochtli to defend Huiquipedia, you just realized that Huiquipedia is an unsuccessful project that is edited by Hispanic students of Nahuatl and that the structure of the The language is Spanish language but never by native speakers of Nahuatl.

Nohpalli in Central Nahuatl (nhn) is like that, according to the John Sullivan's dictionary; Nohpalli or Nehpalli; ce tlamantli tzontli tlen eli zan cuatitlan huan millah; moquetza zancualtzin; ixihuiyo tilahuac, xoxoctic, pahpatlactic, huan quipiya miac ihuitzo. Inanan Carmela quichiuhqui nehpalli ica nacatl, huan mocauhqui tlahuel ahhuiac; page 332, Tlahtolxitlauhcayotl, 2016., Central Nahuatl is very, very different to Classical Nahuatl language. Regards --Marrovi (talk) 00:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Clarity of the Simple French proposal?[edit]

Hi, Steven!

A few years ago I created a proposal for the creation of a Simple French Wikipedia: Requests for new languages/Wikipedia French Simple 3. It is a major world language (it's a very common second language in Africa) and has a standardized simplified form. I am unable to go further with the creation of a test wiki as it hasn't been activated yet.

There have been several Wikipedians who have expressed interest in making simple French articles. How may this go forward?

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 18:34, 15 April 2018 (UTC)


Hola Steven; he visto que ya me bloqueó Katxis para siempre en Djudeo-Español, podría yo saber ¿Cuándo terminará la revisión? ¿O cúando será la fecha de la revisión terminada aproximada?, para yo saber si cumplió su palabra de caballero de voy regresar a editar en djudeo-español y no me tomaron el pelo con el bloqueo; lo que pasa es que no veo a nadie revisando el supuesto ladino correcto.

Si esto fue solo un engaño, sería mejor que me digas ahora mismo de favor, Manu no queremos que edites en ladino, nos caes muy mal y no nos gusta trabajar contigo, yo creo que eso debe ser lo correcto y esto si es de caballeros. Yo tiendo que no sea apreciado por vosotros pero lo correcto es decir eso. Así ni ustedes se burlaron de mí y yo no pierdo mi tiempo. ¿Si fui muy claro o debo explicarlo?. Saludos.--Marrovi (talk) 18:42, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Steven, I read through some of the threads about the Nahuatl dispute. Perhaps getting a third party expert to review the claims and counterclaims would be a good idea? Perhaps give a telephone call to the contacts at (National Institute of Indigenous Languages of Mexico) and see if they can arrange to have somebody review the material. Getting a third party IMO is important. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:34, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-16[edit]

15:20, 16 April 2018 (UTC)


Hi. Excuse my bad English.

The old Mexican language is the heritage of all Mexicans. It is not the heritage of an ethnic group or native speakers of the mother tongue. I think that would be racism!

I am Mexican and Marrovi does not represent me. Marrovi says he represents all the Mexican natives, but this was not accredited by him.

An example. Marrovi said that hedgehog ( erizo ) is huitztochtli (Mexican word, Aulex dictionary —Marrovi—). But he says it is now erizo (word in Spanish). Maybe the natives have changed their opinion?

Goodbye.--Cuaitl (talk) 18:40, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-17[edit]

18:16, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-18[edit]

16:18, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-19[edit]

16:28, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-20[edit]

22:23, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-21[edit]

17:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-22[edit]

12:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-23[edit]

21:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-24[edit]

21:55, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Need your help[edit]

Hei Pashto Wikivoyage ( is missing in template, Could you please add pashto wikivoyage also ?

  • Travel Guide in Pashto (د سفر لارښود)
  • Wikivoyage in Pashto (ويکيسفر) --Olasyar (talk) 14:00, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
@Olasyar: Will work on it. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:07, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-25[edit]

21:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Protesting decision on Gronings Wikipedia[edit]

Hello (again?). I think you must have copied-and-pasted some parameters for Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Norwegian Wikinews 3 as outcome to "keep" outcome to "delete/redirect" in the proposals for closing projects. Did you mean "close"? May you or I please correct it? --

..Why am I not surprised? I have to say I am quite disappointed that you negate the discussion so quickly without trying to keep an open mind. I've yet to see a definitive answer about how a dialect is too close to having its own wiki especialy when West Frisian and Zeelandic which barely resemble their pasts and that their only advantage over Gronings is that they enjoy some national level status while they lack the richness that Gronings has to offer. Eitanish (talk) 20:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

@Eitanish: I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to get at with the boxed content here. Also, I'm not quite sure why you think we "negate[d] the discussion so quickly". It was open for nine months, and nobody but you supported your proposals.
Here are a couple of points to consider:
  • Frisian Wikipedia and Zeelandic Wikipedia are entirely besides the point here. They were created before the current policy was established and are grandfathered in. It's questionable whether or not they would be permitted now—but that's a moot point, because they exist.
  • Similarly, it's pretty unlikely that we'd have both Low German Wikipedia and Dutch Low Saxon Wikipedia if they were up for approval today—they would probably be combined. Again, a moot point.
  • I'm not sure there is "a definitive answer about how a dialect is too close to having its own wiki". LangCom decides these on an individual basis. But I will say that where there is already a pattern in place where different dialect groups are working together in a single project productively, LangCom is less interested in then spinning one of them off. In this case, there are a few Wikipedias from this part of the world that serve what one might just as easily call a cluster of dialects as a single language:
    • One is Alemannic Wikipedia, which includes content in Swiss German, Badisch, Alsatian and Swabian. Swabian, at least, has its own language code, I might add.
    • Another is the Dutch Low Saxon Wikipedia, which includes content in nine dialects, including Achterhooks (ISO code act), Drèents (drt), Sallaans (sdz), Stellingwarfs (stl), Tweants (twd), Urkers, East Veluws and West Veluws (which share vel)—and Gronings.
  • For this reason, LangCom saw no need for a completely separate project.
I would actually like to see you create content in Gronings. For now, create that content in the Low Dutch Wikipedia, in the Category and Portal for Gronings. In a number of ways, you'll find this easier than starting a new project yourself. Infrastructure is in place, policies have already been established, and you can focus on creating content.
Please let me know if you have additional questions. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:40, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-26[edit]

23:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-27[edit]

00:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-28[edit]

23:10, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Next steps for the wish “confirmation prompt for the rollback link”[edit]

Logo Feedback round in the Technical Wishes project.png

Hello, a while ago you participated in a feedback round about a proposal how accidental clicks on the rollback link could be avoided. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and ideas!
Looking at the feedback and the rollback situation in different wikis, the development team decided how to approach this wish: As a default, most wikis won’t have a confirmation. But users who wish to have one, can enable it in their preferences, which will add a confirmation prompt to the rollback link on the diff page and on the list pages. The prompt won’t be a pop-up, but an inline prompt like for the thanks confirmation. You can read more about the planned solution and what influenced this decision on the project page. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 09:52, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-29[edit]

16:01, 16 July 2018 (UTC)