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Root page is not showing[edit]

Please Visit the page v:hi:सी (प्रोग्रामिंग भाषा)/परिचय-प्रोग्रामिंग की प्रक्रिया. In this page the Root page is not showing in the Bottom of Page's Title. But v:hi:सदस्य:Jayprakash12345/प्रयोगपृष्ठ in page Root page is showing.--Jayprakash >>> Talk 12:09, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

In Hindu Wikiversity subpages are not enabled in the main space (i.e. in the 0 namespace). See here. So, there is nothing to show. Ruslik (talk) 18:08, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Ruslik Thank you very much Sir.--Jayprakash >>> Talk 18:26, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Geolocalization of the edits[edit]

Hello, Blackcat from it.wiki here. I don't know whether this is the right place for the following question, anyway I am asking it because this is a technical environment. A fellow Wikipedian from Italy is involved into the organization of cultural events for Wikimedia Italia. She asked me whether there's an edit counter which records also the global position of the IP addresses visiting the pages, the ratio of such request being the need to know whether the trafic on a given article might be related with an event that involved the topic of the said article (i.e. a monument, a palace, a church, etc). Thanks in advance. -- Blackcat (talk) 09:56, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

So this is actually about visits to an article, not edits? --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 15:40, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes, Elitre, excuse me, I meant visitors, not editors, my mistake. -- Blackcat (talk) 17:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
I do not think there is such a tool. Ruslik (talk) 18:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I'm on the Analytics team at WMF. We do log the data that we would need, but it's not available in a public tool. So the only way to access it right now would be to propose a research project, but that is a pretty formal process and there are already many strong proposals. Here is where you would do that: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Projects. The main question would be, how is this data widely useful to many many people? If you can make a good case for that, it might get considered and prioritized. Milimetric (WMF) (talk) 18:58, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Module:[edit]

Good day!

I am abwiki administrator and want to change Russian version (Module:) "Модуль:" into Abkhazian "Амодуль:", like — Шаблон/Ашаблон.

In another words for example we have

but, nowdays "modules" in Russian and Abkhazian wiki starts with same word - "Модуль"

and same combination

Abkhazian language have his own grammar and all wards starts with "А" (Cyrillic). It means that wikisintacsis of the "Module:" should be like "Амодуль:" not Russian version - "Модуль:". It is same case with "Template:", in Russian we have "Шаблон:" but already have in Abkhazian "Ашаблон:".

Let's change "Модуль:" into "Амодуль:" too.

Sincerely--Surprizi (talk) 06:32, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

It looks like you are talking about namespace aliases. You'll have to create a phab ticket to have someone with access to the controls do it. Killiondude (talk) 07:03, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • The user wants to translate Module namespace’ name into Abkhazian (Амодуль) instead of relying on the current Russian fallback for it (Модуль), so changing this file would help them. @Surprizi: it would be also helpful to provide a talk page name for the namespace (Амодуль_ахцәажәара?), so anyone that would follow up on this would not do the work twice. / Было бы также хорошо предоставить перевод и для страницы обсуждения (Амодуль_ахцәажәара?), чтобы те, кто поможет вам с этим, не занимались этим дважды. stjn[ru] 16:49, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Yes of course, create a talk page name for the namespace (Амодуль_ахцәажәара?) too. Thanks a lot!--Surprizi (talk) 05:57, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
@Saint Johann: In Abkhazian Wikipedia we have own sorting raw. I mean that after symbol Г is coming Гь, Гә, Ҕ, Ҕь, Ҕә, Д, Дә... So sorting rules in Abkazian language is different from Russian and beside this we have digraphs/ So is it possible to use abkhazian sorting system and this digraphs will appear in category sorting process? I mean it would be ideal if in sorting there would be different "Г" Гь, Гә, Ҕ, Ҕь...--Surprizi (talk) 06:58, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
@Surprizi: As for the Module/Module_talk issue, please create a ticket in Phabricator and I'll look at uploading the translations for that. For amending sorting rules, please create a different task after obtaining consensus on your wiki for the change. Best regards. —MarcoAurelio (talk) 07:07, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
@MarcoAurelio: Sorry but I cant find "create a ticket" button. Please help me. :(--Surprizi (talk) 07:17, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
It's not a button, it's this link. Creating an account on Phab is easy if you don't have one yet, because you can use your Wikipedia (mediawiki.org) account for it! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 09:09, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks! I think I did it--Surprizi (talk) 12:53, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Yay! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 14:50, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorting[edit]

Good day! Hello from abwiki.

Today I want talking with different (difficult) case of problems.

First problem. I in abkazian language as you know we have words which are beginning with A (Cyrillic) letter, but not all of them. If we'll go categories, then we must see most of word under the symbol "A". I know you'll say "yes of source it is sorting like this because word beginning with A letter and this system work in all wiki"!

but

yes of course Abkazian words most of them originally begin with A letter but each word has its own root/base.

Look, if you open Abkhazian vocabulary 515 page you'll see:

М

  • .
  • .
  • .
  • А́-мҩарбаҩ - (А́-мҩарбаҩ - it is grammar form. in wikipedia we wright just Амҩарбаҩ)
  • А́-мҩасырҭа - ((Амҩасырҭа in wikipedia)this word root/base begin with М letter and otherwise should be collect under the М letter)
  • А́-мҩасра
  • А́-мҩасҩы
  • А́-мҩахгара
  • А́-мҩахҟьара
  • А́-мҩахырҟьара
  • А-мҩахы́ҵра
  • А́-мҩахыҵырҭа
  • А-мхəа́сҭа
  • А-мџь
  • А́-мџьаӷь
  • А́–мџьахьа

Н

  • На - (this word root/base begin with Н letter and otherwise should be collect under the Н letter)
  • А́-наа - ((Анаа in wikipedia)this word root/base begin with Н letter and otherwise should be collect under the Н letter)
  • А-наа́лара - ((Анаалара in wikipedia)this word root/base begin with Н letter and otherwise should be collect under the Н letter)
  • А-наа́лашьа - ((Анаалашьа in wikipedia)this word root/base begin with Н letter and otherwise should be collect under the Н letter)
  • А-наа́леҭ - ((Анаалеҭ in wikipedia)this word root/base begin with Н letter and otherwise should be collect under the Н letter)

This was one problem! :-)

Second problem in Abkhazian vocabulary arise with letters, because we beside original letters have digraphs too. quantity of digraphs are about 20 (қь, қә, ҟь, ҟә, ҕь, ҕә, ҧь, ҧә...). Problem is weeder in sorting. For example in classical wiki sorting system words: аҟаҵара, аҟьамсар, аҟәара... would be under the Cyrillic ҟ letter. And this is a mistake, because words should be collect in its own letter: аҟаҵара (а-ҟаҵара, root is ҟаҵара) - ҟ, аҟьамсар (а-ҟьамсар, root is ҟьамсар) - ҟь, аҟәара (а-ҟәара, root is ҟәара) - ҟә.

nowadays most of words in Categories sorted under the A letter.

third problem is in sorting system. look et this. Here under the letter A you can see words: Агкқәа, Алаҳаӡы, Амгәашхәҵа, Арасаӡыхь (Гагра), Аҟәара, Аҭыӡҭа, Аҳәыҳәшәара, Аҽмарда, Аҿыҧсҭа. This is not correct sorting because Аҟәара should stay front of Арасаӡыхь (Гагра). The abkhazian alphabet sequence should be following like in the vocabulary in book or like on that link.

It's all! :-)--Surprizi (talk) 06:22, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I wonder if this is something that mw:Manual:$wgCategoryCollation would solve, although I don't see that language supported yet. User:BWolff (WMF), User:Matma Rex, am I wrong? --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 09:28, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Elitre (WMF) is correct in both cases. We currently do not support Abkhazian (and neither does ICU, the library which we use to sort). But I think we could add support for it fairly easily, using the system that User:BWolff (WMF) previously implemented for Bashkir (see phab:T162823). I will investigate this and reply here soon. Surprizi, I'll probably need you to clarify a few things for me, as I don't speak Abkhazian :) (and I can only barely read Cyrillic script). Matma Rex (talk) 22:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Can you please confirm:

  • Is this the correct sorting order of letters and digraphs? А • Б • В • Г • Гь • Гә • Ҕ • Ҕь • Ҕә • Д • Дә • Е • Ж • Жь • Жә • З • Ӡ • Ӡә • И • К • Кь • Кә • Қ • Қь • Қә • Ҟ • Ҟь • Ҟә • Л • М • Н • О • П • Ҧ • Р • С • Т • Тә • Ҭ • Ҭә • У • Ф • Х • Хь • Хә • Ҳ • Ҳә • Ц • Цә • Ҵ • Ҵә • Ч • Ҷ • Ҽ • Ҿ • Ш • Шь • Шә • Ы • Ҩ • Џ • Џь • ь • ә. I've taken this from https://ab.wikipedia.org/wiki/Аҧсуа_алфавит, and it is also identical to the alphabet in the dictionary you linked, on page 3 (except that the dictionary used "ə U+0259 LATIN SMALL LETTER SCHWA" instead of "ә U+04D9 CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SCHWA", which I assume is a mistake, as the characters are visually identical).
  • Should the letter "А"/"а" at the beginning of every word always be ignored when sorting? (Does this apply to every word in the page title, or only to the first word?) Should the same happen with "А́"/"а́"?
  • Should the digraphs be treated as separate letters, e.g. have their own headings on category pages, like in Hungarian: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategória:Az_Európai_Unió_tagállamai?
  • Should "ь" and "ә", when they are not part of a digraph, actually be sorted after all other letters? (Or is it just a convention because they can never appear at the beginning of a word or something?)

Also, note that when this is implemented, you will need to use special syntax in category sort keys ({{DEFAULTSORT:…}}) in cases where the characters belonging to a digraph have to be treated separately, or where the beginning "А"/"а" should not be ignored – for example, in foreign-language place names. On Hungarian Wikipedia they have a template for this: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sablon:Hamis_digráf. Matma Rex (talk) 02:47, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I confirm that your sorting order of letters and digraphs is correct. You may not to add last two letters in this order. In the book one letter is used Latin instead Russian. Should he Russian letters! Unfortunately we don't ignore letter A in all word. For example word Аҧсуа base bigining with letter A. There are lot of words in Abkhazian which roots starts with A. So I think to do automatically should be incorrect. I think better do it manually. with "А́"/"а́" no words are begin! This acute is like Russian. Yes, digraphs be treated as separate letters, e.g. have their own headings on category pages, like in Hungarian: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategória:Az_Európai_Unió_tagállamai

In Abkhazian letters ь and ә is not used with other letters like Russian. In Abkhazian they are part of digraphs. This letters are materials to build digraphs no more.Surprizi (talk) 04:15, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

(I don't know if I'm more moved by Matma's intervention - thanks for saving the day, as always! - or by the fact that I guessed that thing! \o/ Hope support for ab. can happen. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 08:40, 15 December 2017 (UTC) )