Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Old Norse 2

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Old Norse 2
submitted verification final decision
Process-stop.svg This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

A committee member provided the following comment:

An extinct proto-language. --Millosh (talk) 07:41, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code non (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Old Norse Language name in English
Language name Dǫnsk tunga Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q35505 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Old Norse
  • native label (P1705) =
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = dead language, historical language / North Germanic languages, Northwest Germanic
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) = non
  • writing system (P282) = Latin script, runes
  • number of speakers (P1098) =


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name Vikipeðia "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads yes Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo [[:Wikipedia-logo-v2-non]] 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Proposal[edit]

Old Norse was the language spoken by the Norse people during the Middle Ages. Although there were different dialects, the standard one used is Old Icelandic. Many sagas were written in Old Norse with significant effects on history. These include sagas about the explorations of the Vikings to Greenland and North America. There are enough resources available to create a Wikipedia in this language. Wikipedia is already in dead languages like Latin and Old English. This would be useful for anyone who would like to learn to read Viking sagas in their original language. There is already a test wiki with a good amount of articles and I'm sure that this would receive the amount of support needed. --ScriptorHistoriae (talk) 19:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Any particular reason for choosing Dǫnsk Tunga rather than Norrœnt Mál? Generally speaking, Old West Norse has a larger corpus from which to draw.

Naea-a-liloa (talk) 04:00, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

@Naea-a-liloa: The two names are kind of used interchangeably and the site we've devleoped uses Old West Norse. My intention wasn't to reference the Danish dialect. Actually, Dǫnsk Tunga is an Old West Norse phrase, as it is Dansk Tunga in the Eastern dialect. ScriptorHistoriae (talk) 18:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

@ScriptorHistoriae): Understood. I just wasn't sure what you meant when you referenced it - thanks for clearing it up and I apologize for not having looked more clearly at the site you had developed (because if I had, then I wouldn't have been so confused). Also, I know that Dǫnsk Tunga is the OWN version; I was simply sticking to one dialectal convention. Naea-a-liloa (talk) 17:30, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Does somebody know when there will be a decission on this? --Gentenaar~nlwiki (talk) 20:09, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

I think an Old Norse Wikipedia can be useful and active, I saw some small language wiki's with less activity than on the Old Norse test wiki. --Gentenaar~nlwiki (talk) 20:11, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Here you can study Old Norse language: Old Norse for beginners, maybe this can be useful? --Gentenaar~nlwiki (talk) 20:15, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

The wiki isn't nearly ready enough to be incorporated. I would say it needs at least 1,000 articles of significant length covering general topics and an active community. Currently, it doesn't have either of those things. Right now the request hasn't been submitted officially and I would rather wait until we can be sure that it will get approved. --ScriptorHistoriae (talk) 01:39, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

So, should the official writing system for this Wikipedia be in runes or in latin? --User:TrooperAnimalLover 8:50, 1/24/2017

Latin. It's what's mostly used to write Old Norse. --ScriptorHistoriae (talk) 21:02, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Okay then! :) --User:TrooperAnimalLover 8:35, 1/28/2017

If they make the Old Norse Wikipedia, I hope the name of the language will be "norrǿna" or "norrǿnt mál" and that the name of the project will be Víkipeðja. The reason of why I want that name is because in Old Norse, the last "i" would've been pronounced as "j" and there's no words in Old Norse that has i pronounced as j. Just look at the word "valkyrie". In Old Norse it's "valkyrja". Eilífr frá Noregi (talk) 05:53, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

The language code should be nor because that's already the official language code for Old Norse. Even though Snorri Sturlason used Dǫnsk tunga for both Old Vest and East Norse, the vikings in Norway did probably use Norrǿnt mál which means Nordic language. The Norwegian word for Norwegian is norsk and comes from the word norrǿnn. Here, I will show you: norrǿnn->nornskr->norsk. Eilífr frá Noregi (talk) 01:35, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm not getting involved, but nor is the code for Bokmål norsk: non is allocated to Old Norse in ISO-whatever (from norrǿnn of course). Hogweard (talk) 15:40, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I checked in a list of ISO language codes and Old Norse is indeed non. Again, sorry for bad English. Eilífr frá Noregi (talk) 08:00, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Víkipeðja does make more sense. When I made this request, I was just going by the name on the test project. As for the language name, both "Dönsk tunga" and "Norrœnt mál" should be acceptable. The Norse at one point all considered themselves Danish, and so "Danish language" isn't specifically referring to modern-day Denmark. For example, the Ynglinga saga refers to the Swedish king, and says that his name was in the Danish tongue:
Móðir Dyggva var Drótt, dóttir Danps konungs, sonar Rígs, er fyrstr var konungr kallaðr á danska tungu
Either names should be acceptable. The differences in the dialects weren't as categorized as they are today. --ScriptorHistoriae (talk) 13:17, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.