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Trust in Wikipedia[edit]

this is Cathy from Hong Kong working on a research about trust on Wikipedia. I wonder if you would kindly contact me at I'd like to chat with you about Wikipedia of your language. Would you kindly drop me your email or IM (Skype, MSN, AIM or ICQ)? It wouldn't take more than ten minutes, but it would help enormously for us to understand the overall trust-based social landscape of Wikipedia. Thank you!

Kabyle wikipedia[edit]


Our request to have a wikipedia in the Kabyle Berber language have been aproved by an administrator :

On this page:

The use/admin TUF-KAT said we need to ask a developer to do the rest, I have posted in the mailing list [1] but we did not find any developper.

i am a bit lost, what should we exactly do?Toira


Hello Millosh,
please send your real-name, your prefered login-name and the public part of your ssh-key to Zedler-admins.png. We plan to create your account soon then. --DaB.

what about Anarchopedia ?[edit]

I found your name there :

thanks. Join me there.

Thank you[edit]

I ma so gratefull that you saved the lb wiki !!!!!!!

Your comment on Lombard wikipedia[edit]

Hello Millosh, thanks for your comment. You wrote:

Statement update[edit]

Hi Millosh, thanks for being the first to translate my statement. In return, prehaps I should fix the en-fr bilingual statement... except I can't tell if he meant it to show up that way! I modified it after your translation; please look again. (and moved the "a trustee should" commentary elsewhere...).

Regards, and good luck, -- sj | help translate |+

ISO 639-3[edit]

You have new messages
Hello, Millosh. You have new messages at Taivo's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Help compile Objective Data about the Candidates[edit]

Posted to all candidates talk page:

To aid in the fair evaluation of all the candidates, especially those not active on EnWiki, verifiable data about the candidates is being compiled. Anyone is invited to help compile the data since it is all publicly available on-wiki.

But since the people best qualified to help are the candidates themselves, it seems reasonable to ask:

  • Which languages do you speak? (voter statement)
  • Which projects do you contribute to?
    • For each, when was your first edit?
    • For each, how many total edits? (exact figures not need)
  • Which projects are you an admin on?
  • Are you a bureaucrat? which projects? when?
  • Are you a CheckUser? Which projects? When did you start??
  • Are you a steward? If so when were you made one?
  • Have you served in a verifiable leadership role on a project? (e.g. Like EnWiki's Founder or Arbcom member)
  • Have you served in a verifiable leadership role on at the Chapter or Foundation level? (Trustee, etc)

Are there any objectively verifiable facts that should be included in this guide but aren't?

(Incidentally, this document won't reflect my own personal values or wikipolitical opinions. Ideally it will come to exist outside of my userspace in some neutral, visible location. -- Alecmconroy)

Manchu wikipedia[edit]

mini gucu saiyūn?bi inu manjurara mini gucusei emgi manju gisun i uikipidiya be araki sembi.manju gisun oci manjusai banjin de ujui uju oyonggo baita mini booi urse de manjurambime tese be latin mudan i tacibufi ‘möllendorff transcription’ be inu hūlame mutembi.ere durun i manju gisun i uikipidiya be hūlaki sere manjusa kemuni labdu bi.aika emu manju gisun i uikipidiya be ilibuci manjusa urgunjembime be suwende gemu ambula banihalara!
Hello,my friend!I'm a also a manchu-speaking manchu.Me and my friends wants to write the manchu wikipedia.Manchu language is the first important thing in manchus' life.I speak manchu to my family and they were taught the latin letters so they can also read the ‘möllendorff transcription’.Such manchu people that would very much like to see a manchu wikipedia are still many.If a manchu wikipedia is built the manchus would be happy and we will thank all of you a lot!

Formal complaint[edit]

Hello, Could you please give me an advice in regard how to place a formal complaint against an administrator? I would like to point out an issue at slovak Wikipedia. Thank you.

Please Help me creat Lurish language in wikipedia![edit]

hi millosh! i try creat Lurish language in wikipedia, can you help me, please?

Stewards doing xwiki admin check[edit]

Hi Millosh. Stewards are undertaking further works on inactive admins through the wikis, and I see that you are

  • crat/sysop at
  • crat/sysop at
  • sysop at
  • crat/sysop at

of those wikis you have been inactive for many years. If you do not wish to maintain those rights, then they can be resigned at m:SRP; if you do wish to maintain those rights, it would help if you could do some editing on that wiki when we get to do formal notifications to those wikis. Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth

Help me with my dictionary project?[edit]

Hello, User:Millosh! I am currently researching a language called Sizang (ISO-693: csy) and would like to make a digital lexicon for the language. I've detailled some of my plans on my blog here. But as I have over 400 words already, I think it would like a very long time to input all of the data manually. I have a lot of lexical items in Excel format, and I wanted to know if there was a way to create a bot to mass-import those into separate Wiktionary entries. I tried importing them Excel->CSV->MySQL myself, but when I tested the DB with an array through PHP, the unicode (IPA) rendered as "???". So I figured that using a wiktionary-type platform through mediawiki would be a safer bet. This is an early sample of my data, and what I would like to do is create a page based on the English gloss, and then use the IPA in the middle there as its entry. However, I have multiple sources for a word, so I will probably end up combining Excel spreadsheets to have multiple sources for each word. So, for example, searching "Deer" may return something like this:

== English ==

== Sizangkam ==

==== Modern Sizang Orthography ====
*   sakhi
==== Luce ====
*   sʽă˦haŋ˨
==== Naylor ====
*  sahkī
====Example Sentences====
*  Sakhi khat an ne zo hi.

Humble Request to Hon'ble Members of Language Committee[edit]

  • As a Test Admin of Wp/khw Khowar Wikipedia Project I on behalf of the Khowar language communities of Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and Xinjiang(China) humbly request the all respectable members of the language comittee for early approval, creation of Khowar Wkipedia i.e. The Khowar language is spoken in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan and Xingjiang(China). I have created a test page for Khowar language in incubator i.e. Wikipedia Khowar (Khowar Language Wikipedia), On behalf of the abovementioned Khowar speaking four countries for early approval and creation and normalization of Khowar Wikipedia edition. Khowar is one of spoken 14 languages in Chitral(Pakistan). It will be useful to Khowar internet users to report news from worldwide. I strongly feel it deserves its own Wikipedia. Being a test admin i have translated all most used messages into khowar. I have created test Khowar Wikipedia at Khowar Wikpedia.--Rachitrali

A mistake in your description in the Foundation Board Elections 2017[edit]

Hello! I've just noticed that in the Foundation Board Elections 2017, your description has a mistake.
"you are giving me the symbolic power to not only raise those issues"
I'm afraid, it should have been "not only to raise." Cheers and good luck though :-)--Adûnâi (talk) 01:25, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@Adûnâi: Thank you very much! I will ask Election committee to fix it. --Millosh (talk) 09:20, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
@Adûnâi: Actually, are you sure? I would say as you told me, but my statement have been corrected by a native speaker of English. (As well as I see the construction "to not only" grammatically correct.) (Initially I thought there is no "to" at all :) ) --Millosh (talk) 10:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
It's a case of split infinitive, often considered a mistake. Just so you know, I've voted against you on this basis, and I'm sure there are a lot of people like me that don't want to support the spread of incorrect grammar. Have a nice day!--Adûnâi (talk) 17:43, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
I appreciate direct approach. Thanks! :) --Millosh (talk) 18:22, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
@Adûnâi:: split infinitives, used by such lousy wordsmiths as Shakespeare, are not, in fact, a grammar crime, and it is merely a persistent and commonly repeated superstition to believe that it is. See the Oxford Dictionary for example. And it is of course a profoundly ridiculous argument for or against a candidate. Without comment on any of the candidates, I encourage you to consider voting according to your perception of the candidates' actual ability to discharge the duties of a board member; I am sure you can find some more substantial criteria by which to measure them. Ijon (talk) 01:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

2017 Board Elections candidate interviews[edit]

Dear candidate,

Thank you for running for the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees in this year's community elections. I am contacting you on behalf of the community podcasts Wikipedia Weekly and Source Code Berlin. We are sure you recognize the importance of transparency and a fully-informed community when it comes to these elections. To that end, we would like to conduct short audio interviews (under 30 minutes) with each of the candidates for publication in podcast form prior to the conclusion of the election. If you agree, we will contact you via email to coordinate the time and date of these interviews. Please let me know if you have any questions. Gamaliel (talk) 16:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@Gamaliel: Yes, of course :) My email is --Millosh (talk) 16:43, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for agreeing to our proposed candidate interviews, but we have decided that we will not be conducting them this year. We feel that Sunday's video interview has accomplished the goal of providing the community with exposure to the candidates and we are currently exploring ways that our potential election coverage can supplement and not duplicate that exposure. Gamaliel (talk) 18:45, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
@Gamaliel: You are welcome! And thank you for your efforts! --Millosh (talk) 02:56, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi Milos, I voted for you - I hope you do well. Maybe consider Grey-scale instead of RGB!? Bloodholds (talk)
@Bloodholds: Thanks! :) My wife told me that it's better to try with CMYK, so I will have to consider all suggestions :) --Millosh (talk) 11:41, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Uncontrolled spending increases[edit]

(I am asking this question of all board candidates.)

In my essay at User:Guy Macon/Wikipedia has Cancer I make several proposals.

Whether of not you agree with the essay as a whole, would you be willing to propose and/or support any of the following?

  • Make spending largely transparent, publish a detailed account of what money is being spent on and answer any reasonable questions asking for more details. There is no need for you to remind us that some things cannot be published because of legal or privacy issues. I am asking whether we should be as open and transparent as possible, not asking the board to do something stupid or illegal.
  • Limit spending increases to no more than inflation plus some percentage (adjusted for any increases in page views). Are you willing to support any limit at all on spending growth, and if so roughly how much? 10%? 20%? 30%?
  • Build up our endowment and structure the endowment so that the WMF cannot legally dip into the principal when times get bad. There is no need to answer with something to the effect that either you or the WMF have good intentions. I am specifically asking whether you support making the endowment principle legally untouchable, allowing the WMF to only spend the endowment interest.

If we do these things now, in a few short years we could be in a position to do everything we are doing now, while living off of the endowment interest, and would have no need for further fundraising. Or we could keep fundraising, using the donations to do many new and useful things, knowing that whatever we do there is a guaranteed income stream from the endowment that will be large enough to keep the servers running indefinitely. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:40, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: here are my answers:
  1. Transparency is extremely important and, as a community-elected Board member, I am willing to facilitate the dialogue (likely here, on Meta) between the community and C-level staff in relation to what exactly should and can be disclosed. I am not an expert in US law and I would definitely need input from the both sides.
  2. Doing anything with spending increases without a serious analysis would be dilettantish. I am willing to hear the experts from WMF and outside of WMF in relation to that to make relevant decision. The only relevant conclusion I could give to you is that the pace of reducing spending increase can't be drastic because drastic changes produce problems. So, if our current yearly spending increase is around 25%, it is more likely that it would be possible to decrease it to 20% next year, then to 15% in two years etc. However, that's under the condition that reasonable number of experts reasonably agree that decreasing spending increase is the best path for Wikimedia Foundation and that it correlates with the reality.
  3. Endowment is very important. Kathrine said that endowment is work in progress. I said it would be one of my priorities during my tenure.
It is complex task to lead the complex systems. We could have the best wishes and our ideas could be sound and solid, but reality could be completely different. Said so, I like your long-term vision and I support it. --Millosh (talk) 17:10, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
That sounds like what a board member should be doing, in my opinion. I especially like your point about gradual changes rather than sudden changes. Wise words indeed. Alas, the WMF board only controls spending, not contributions, as a board member, you may be faced with an unexpected 90% reduction in revenue, as has happened to several non-profits, typically in the midst of a major scandal.
I am still unclear on your position about whether we should structure the endowment so that the WMF cannot legally dip into the principal when times get bad. In addition to the concerns in my essay (the concern that the WMF will ramp up fundraising and dip into the endowment if revenues see a huge drop) this decision may have legal consequences. Would you be willing to engage with WMF legal regarding how best to shield the endowment principle from being drained should the WMF lose some future multi-million dollar lawsuit? It goes without saying that anyone on the board would want to protect the endowment principle, but I am looking for a board member who will find out if such protection is even possible and if so how to make it happen. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:15, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
@Guy Macon: Yes, reality is the most important factor.
My general position is that we should have a number of smaller entities that a big one. Translated into your question, I would prefer a separate entity for endowment.
In relation to your scenario of multi-million dollar lawsuit, I suppose that there are better options than destroying the whole savings. For example, I am sure that many entities would help WMF to handle such situation by donating significant amounts of money. But even without such options, it is possible to borrow money, as -- without catastrophic scenarios -- WMF has stable revenue and is able to use ~5% of the future revenue to return borrowed money.
However, there are other possible (but unlikely) scenarios and it's not possible to give the exact answer:
  1. The scenario of the multi-million dollar lawsuit, but without any other possibility to find money than to take savings. So, we know that the next year would be fine, but this is particularly harsh and we should decide if we are going to destroy WMF and the whole movement or to take money from the savings. In the situation of the existential crisis, it's logical to take all possible actions to avoid serious damage.
  2. Revenue dropped to $1M, it is not going to rise in foreseeable future and endowment $100M big and it could be giving [inflation adjusted] $1M yearly. The options are to spend the endowment or to adapt ASAP to 20-50 times less spending. If there are no reasonable options and the situation is as-is, I would be in favor of immediate drastic scaling down. It's better to have $1M more next year than to spend everything immediately.
So, the answer is not easy. I would like to have both: hard limits, but also reasonable flexibility. I am in favor of whatever could give guarantees that we won't spend money if not necessary, but also a possibility to survive. We could also have a movement-wide discussion in relation to this issue and how to solve it the best.
I also suppose that there are or could be other types of reserves. For example, the reserve for lawsuits; the reserve for one year or a couple of years of (1) movement-wide work, (2) full scale WMF work, (3) the minimum for WMF. I suppose that my scenario (1) could be mitigated by having the reserve for lawsuits, while my scenario (2) could be prolonged by having reserves for a movement-wide work or a full scale WMF work.
Most importantly, we are in good times now and it is the right time to think about bad times. If we do things now (and I see that some of them have been already started), this discussion could be reasonably outdated in a couple of years. I don't think we require too strict approach. I think that we will be safe just if we do reasonable things now. --Millosh (talk) 07:22, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Excellent response. If anyone cares what I think, based upon the thoughtful answers above, I support your candidacy. --Guy Macon (talk) 07:47, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
yes good response - i would add
  1. Transparency - you could start with a footnote to the annual report about highly compensated employees. this would avoid a repeat of the bonus controversy.
  2. Spending - the spending increases as reported on the annual report should be tied to the strategic plan. there should be a discussion of how increases or decreases are driven by strategy. abrupt changes in spending or strategy should be explained in the annual report. and you should think about a part year disclosure, this would avoid the search controversy.
  3. Endowment - there should be endowment bylaws that govern the annual draw. the restrictions on the endowed funds should be disclosed. "no draw down of principal" is too restrictive. rather what is the probability of "bad times"? and what is the most probable outcome? you should plan for reinvestment of endowment draw. you should plan for the very small probability of a wind up of the endowment and WMF (they are not perpetuaties). Slowking4 (talk) 21:58, 14 May 2017 (UTC)


  1. Maybe better "anything unusual" should have a note.
  2. This is a good point: Strategic decisions should be governed by the strategy. Growth is one of the strategic issues.
  3. In ~10 years it shouldn't be an issue. It could be a better idea to leave "bad times" clause for the beginning, but remove it afterwards. --Millosh (talk) 08:28, 15 May 2017 (UTC)


Hi Millosh. I hope that you're doing well. We've got a bit of a problem with a request which I think you'd be able to provide some background and info. If you could give us your opinion on the matter I'd appreciate it. I still feel that there's no room for action from us there, though caution is not a bad thing :) Regards, —MarcoAurelio 16:46, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

FYI, NonFreeWiki[edit]

If you are the same guy who submitted this proposal, maybe you would like to know about NonFreeWiki. I was just looking for the page on meta to link it and I discovered this previous proposal.--Alexmar983 (talk) 06:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)