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Discuss the creation of this language project on this page. Votes will be ignored when judging the proposal. Please provide arguments or reasons and be prepared to defend them (see the Language proposal policy).

The language committee needs to verify the language is eligible to be approved.

  • Check that the project does not already exist (see list).
  • Obtain an ISO 639 code
  • Ensure the requested language is sufficiently unique that it could not exist on a more general wiki.
  • Ensure that there are a sufficient number of native editors of that language to merit an edition in that language.
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code sux (SIL, Glottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Sumerian Language name in English
Language name 𒅴𒂠 Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q36790 - item has currently the following values: Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality LTR Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL sux.wikipedia.org langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name 𒁉𒆠𒉿𒁲𒀀 (BI-KI-PE-DI-A) "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Iraq "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit Phabricator task. It will include everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings. After creating the task, add a link to the comment.

Proposal[edit]

Wikipedia, a vast online encyclopedia, has become an indispensable tool in preserving and disseminating knowledge across the globe. While it hosts content in numerous languages, the inclusion of the Sumerian language on Wikipedia holds particular significance due to its historical and cultural importance. This article explores the reasons why having Wikipedia in the Sumerian language is crucial for the preservation and promotion of this ancient Mesopotamian language.

Cultural Heritage Preservation: Sumerian is one of the earliest known written languages, dating back to the third millennium BCE in ancient Mesopotamia. By having a dedicated Wikipedia in Sumerian, we can ensure the preservation of Sumerian cultural heritage. This allows present and future generations to access information about the language, literature, and historical events, fostering a deeper connection with our human past.

Access to Ancient Knowledge: Wikipedia serves as a repository for a wide array of knowledge, and the inclusion of Sumerian content facilitates access to ancient wisdom and insights. Individuals interested in the history, mythology, and scientific achievements of the Sumerians can benefit from a comprehensive and easily accessible source of information, fostering a greater understanding of this ancient civilization.

Linguistic Diversity: The inclusion of Sumerian on Wikipedia contributes to the diversity of languages represented on the platform. Preserving and showcasing linguistic diversity is essential for promoting a global appreciation of the rich tapestry of human languages. A Sumerian Wikipedia allows for the celebration of linguistic uniqueness and highlights the importance of linguistic diversity in the digital age.

Educational Resource: A Sumerian Wikipedia can serve as an educational resource for scholars, researchers, and students interested in the fields of archaeology, linguistics, and ancient history. It provides a platform for the exchange of ideas, research findings, and collaborative efforts to further our understanding of the Sumerian language and its cultural context.

Community Engagement: The creation of a Sumerian Wikipedia encourages community engagement and participation. Native speakers, scholars, and enthusiasts can collaborate to expand and improve the content, ensuring accuracy and relevance. This collaborative effort fosters a sense of community and shared responsibility for the preservation of Sumerian linguistic and cultural heritage. Лёд ХІХ (talk) 09:50, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

@Лёд ХІХ: Wikimedia's language proposal policy doesn't allow historical languages like Sumerian to have Wikimedia projects (other than Wikisources), so I wonder what's your purpose of creating this RFL page? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:37, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is Wikipedia in Latin. If you consider Europe a higher priority than the Middle East, then you don't know history and you are a racist. Лёд ХІХ (talk) 07:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Лёд ХІХ Please read Language proposal policy#Ancient or historical languages: Only Wikisource wikis in ancient or historical languages are accepted Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
so why there is latin wikipedia? also why i should care about banned guy? Лёд ХІХ (talk) 11:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Лёд ХІХ Cited something from I:AN: That project (the Latin Wikipedia), like several other ancienct language editions of Wikipedia existing, were created before the policy came into place, and they don't work retroactively, whether you believe or not, it is very unlikely that any new ancient language editions will be approved. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Informing @Yupik: as that user nominated incubator:Wp/sux 3 years ago and deleted. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:50, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All my arguments from the last time around still stand this time around as do all my arguments against Kamassian. They also pertain to the same user's request for a wp in Tangut, another dead language. - Yupik (talk) 09:08, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yupik That request was made by Sdf, not Лёд ХІХ, though I don't against RFCU if you're doubting it. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Liuxinyu970226: Thank you for pointing that out; I had indeed not noticed that. - Yupik (talk) 04:29, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, there was Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Shumerian, not only rejected, but also the proposer been globally locked. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:19, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's impressive, playing the racist card. As said above, Latin is grandfathered in as existing before the current language policy. Frankly, unlike Sumerian, Latin is a language in relatively recent use, with non-idiosyncratic secular publication use lasting through the 19th century and continuing use by the Vatican. (Note that Sanskrit and Classical Chinese are in similar boats, and neither are European.) Sumerian has not been used for actual communication in thousands of years, longer than any language that has a Wikipedia, and Gothic and Old English WPs are basically more work to shut down than to ignore.-Prosfilaes (talk) 04:24, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, if it wasn't clear enough from my comment above. -Yupik (talk) 09:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close we no longer accept dead languages for Wikipedia editions Dronebogus (talk) 00:34, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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