Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Triestino

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikipedia Triestino
submitted verification final decision
Process-stop.svg This proposal has been rejected.
This decision was taken by the language committee in accordance with the Language proposal policy based on the discussion on this page.

A committee member provided the following comment:

This does not have an ISO 639–3 code, and is considered a dialect of Venetian. Please contribute at Venetian Wikipedia. For LangCom: StevenJ81 (talk) 15:48, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code  (SILEthnologue) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Triestino Language name in English
Language name ' Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q2739548 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Triestine dialect
  • native label (P1705) =
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = dialect / Venetian
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) =
  • writing system (P282) =
  • number of speakers (P1098) =


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Community
You can optionally list your user name if you are an active contributor to the test wiki. Add "N" next to your name if you are a native speaker of this language.
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:... 135x135 PNG derivative from a decent SVG image (instructions)
Default project timezone Continent/City "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example for a Wikisource which would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk"
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Proposal[edit]

I am in favor of adding new languages in Wikipedia. In my opinion, all languages fit the bill and Triestino is no exception. A previous discussion was conducted and case was closed a few years back. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Triestin I just want to add a comment and perhaps reopen the discussion. From a linguistic point of view, it seems that defining one tongue a "language" and the next one a "dialect" is a difficult, often a political (or quasi political) rather than scholarly decision. Rather then "legitimate" and "illegitimate" languages I prefer to see the whole issue as a rainbow of variations and constant code drifting among which all languages occupy a unique place. Differences can be small. In the opinion of many linguists, approximately 6,000 languages are still present around the world, many of them will succumb even before becoming written languages. Of those, 287 languages have a presence in Wikipedia. This is a great number of languages, no doubt, but still a small fraction of the total. Victimizing a language to the rank of dialect, and denying access to Wikipedia on that merit, will only accelerate its demise. In Wikipedia we all have the rare opportunity of being able to read and compare languages as recorded by native speakers. Why do we want to deny ourselves the right to enjoy the potential articles of roughly 300,000 (in the case of Triestino) native speakers? Should the right to be called a language therefore be denied to all pidgin languages and Creoles as they are just a little bit of "that" and a little bit of "this"? Aren't all languages at every one point in time a little bit of "that" and a little bit of "this"? Review of Wikipedia pages may help generations of future linguists find clues to word origin and semantic drift over time across major and minor languages. I am in favor of imposing no language limitation.

Discussion[edit]

Oppose No ISO code. --117.15.55.228 08:28, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.