Requests for new languages/Wikivoyage Shan

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main page Request for a new language edition: Wikivoyage Shan
submitted verification final decision
Applications-system.svg This language has been verified as eligible.
The language is eligible for a project, which means that the subdomain can be created once there is an active community and a localized interface, as described in the language proposal policy. You can discuss the creation of this language project on this page.

Once the criteria are met, the language committee can proceed with the approval.

If you think the criteria are met, but the project is still waiting for approval, feel free to notify the committee and ask them to consider its approval.

A committee member provided the following comment:

No obvious problems with eligibility. --MF-W 18:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code shn (SILGlottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name Shan Language name in English
Language name ၵႂၢမ်းတႆးလူင် Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Q56482 - item has currently the following values:
  • en label = Shan
  • native label (P1705) = လိၵ်ႈတႆ
  • instance/subclass (P31/P279) = language, Tai, modern language /
  • Wikimedia language code (P424) = shn
  • writing system (P282) = Shan script
  • number of speakers (P1098) = 3,000,000


Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality LTR Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Settings
Project name ဝီႇၶီႇဝွႆးဢဵတ်ႇꩡ် "Wikivoyage" in your language
Project namespace ဝီႇၶီႇဝွႆးဢဵတ်ႇꩡ် usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace ဢုပ်ႇၵုမ် ဝီႇၶီႇဝွႆးဢဵတ်ႇꩡ် "Wikivoyage talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone Asia/Yangon "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
submit phabricator task (includes everything automatically, except additional namespaces/settings)

Proposal[edit]

Discussion[edit]

  • Oppose while this is a well spoken language in Myanmar, unlike the 'pedia or Wikisource, smaller regional languages (see voy:en:Phrasebooks for what they are) don't really fit into Wikivoyage, and I'm afraid that the coverage won't really be that great outside of Myanmar and Thailand. With Google translate nowadays, it's easy to do page translations rather than create a whole new wikivoyage for that. SHB2000 (talk | contibs) 05:51, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[]
    @SHB2000: Google translate don't support Shan, and while it looks support the Burmese, I'm afraid that it works very bad as per a Commons discussion. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:18, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[]
    But there'd be little coverage outside Myanmar and Thailand and maybe Australia (there's a lot of people who have Burmese heritage in Australia). Most people on Wikivoyage usually write about their local areas, but who is going to read them unless you are looking to explore your own backyard? SHB2000 (talk | contibs) 00:19, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[]
    There will be more articles covering other areas rather than Myanmar and Thailand. The Shan Wiki community is stong and active enough to improve and maintain the projects. NinjaStrikers «» 04:52, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[]
    @Ninjastrikers While that may happen, the article coverage area is also an issue on the French Wikivoyage as well (which has about 280 million speakers), and yet the only good coverage is large parts of Africa, France and some neighbouring countries and Quebec. With the English Wikivoyage, the only good coverage is countries that are anglophone or popular tourist destinations that aren't anglophone countries (such as Thailand or Zambia), and really now the only good coverage in other anglophone countries is from a user who is google translating pages and making them into English. SHB2000 (talk | contibs) 01:55, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[]
    Why would we make a wiki only for people who can tell their personal assistant or butler to create a report about their vacation target? Somewhere around two thirds of Americans have never left the country, and 10% have never left their state. My personal travel library is full of local regional books, and they're more popular than fantasies about faraway gay Paree. There's great value in works telling people about their "local backyard", as you put it.--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:43, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • I believe that Wikipedia and Wiktionary in Shan should be improved first, while now these ones are not as active as it would be like (edited mostly by the single user)... And then if such 'special' Wikiprojects like Wikivoyage will be still needed, they could be planned/developed. --Wolverène (talk) 12:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Neutral "A small language" don't read like a valid oppose comment to me, though I doubt the necessary for non-official languages to get a wiki other than Wikipedia or Wiktionary. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:02, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[]
    And maybe Wikisource SHB2000 (talk | contibs) 01:47, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[]
    Wikisource is a separated topic, don't mention it here, please. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:39, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Support A language of three million people is large enough on the face of it. There's no reason to stigmatize Wikiquote or Wikivoyage or non-official languages. Either it will get out of the Incubator or it won't. (Certainly Wikisource or Wikiquote could easily work as a first WMF Wiki for a language.)--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:43, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]

I have marked this request as eligible. The argument above by SHB2000 does not strike me as very convincing, let alone covered by the Language Proposal Policy. --MF-W 18:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[]