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More power to the bureaucrat

I am the bureaucrat of the Hebrew Wikipedia, and I feel uneasy that I can't remove sysop rights from a user that I have nominated to be a sysop (I must ask a steward to do this for me, after the vote for removing the sysop has ended). This asymmetry makes me very careful, too careful, before nominating a new sysop. There was only one case that I badly needed to unsysop someone, but it still bothers me. Removal of sysop rights will be done according to the current procedure, but after the vote has ended the bureaucrat should be able to do the rest of the task. David Shay 19:38, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Disagreed. I understand you are very careful and it is unease. A friend of mine, a bureaucrat, is also awareful like you, David, he strongly opposed to the term introduction or recall, because if so, a danger of sysop vandalism by a desperate sysop will arise in his opinion. Perhaps he become too careful. But from the another view it is not good in general power concentrates to (a) individual(s), (see also the above, Tomos' comment). I don't know it is feasibly possile, but how about desysops by multiple bureaucrats or sysops? For example, three sysops set a desysop flag on an admin, then first the latter one will be desysoped. But in my opinion the current policy "A person (steward precisely) who doesn't belong to the interested community will desysop someone" is better. --Aphaia | WQ2翻訳中 | talk 20:22, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I believe that a Wikipedia community should be autonumous, and not to be dependant on help from the outside. The desysop function will be used after a vote in the community, and not just by the decision of the bureaucrat. Maybe I should have given the header of this discussion the title "More power to the local Wikipedia community". David Shay 22:27, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I do not think we (the stewards) are the outside really..., but by being a bit separated from the community, we ensure our feelings do not impact our decisions. A sysop is normally a trusted person, who do not need to be desysoped in urgency (or, your election system is likely broken ?). The stewards are only tools for you to use, just as you ask help from developers if needed. It was on purpose, to avoid flames in a community that unsysoping was not a tool given to bureaucrats. Also, electing a bureaucrat is very easily done. Sometimes, one may get a bureaucrat without any vote. It would be problematic to give such a "huge" power to people who sometimes have not even be elected (such as on small projects). Anthere
Hi, Anthere, since it was you that did the desysoping for me when I neededed it, I am sure that I can count on you if there will be another such case. David Shay 18:33, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
If there is ever an emergency needing Steward attention, just start YELLING on #wikimedia and/or #wikipedia on IRC. I'm on IRC (with the nick mav) for at least 12 hours a day (I'm mav-away when I'm not at my computer) and Angela and Anthere are on very often as well. --Daniel Mayer 20:08, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Easier, go to #wikimedia-stewards and type !steward :) ~Kylu (u|t) 02:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Contact a bureaucrat

How can I contact a bureaucrat? 09:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

(from the better-late-than-never department) Meta:Requests for help from a sysop or bureaucrat ~Kylu (u|t) 02:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)