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Updating the "scope" section[edit]

Recently a en.wiktionary admin helpfully pointed out that the "Scope" section reads as if a wiki can operate only if it meets the 10 admin/3 active admin condition. Now, those rules were drawn up in 2010, and since then we've seen quite a few wikis that meet neither condition opt-in to global sysops. Hence I propose to replace the core of that section from

By default, global sysops may use this global user group's permissions on wikis that meet one or both of the following criteria:

  • fewer than ten administrators exist; or
  • fewer than three administrators have made a logged action within the past two months.

to

Global sysops may use their rights on any wiki that is not in the opt-out list, in accordance with that wiki's global rights policy if they exist.

What does this community think? Please do ping me if input is needed. Thanks in advance. Leaderboard (talk) 07:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

This makes no sense. --MF-W 15:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
@MF-Warburg: Can you explain? Leaderboard (talk) 15:13, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
@MF-Warburg: Ping (if you do not wish to supply a response that's fine - do let me know). Leaderboard (talk) 11:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Invitation for Functionary consultation 2021[edit]

Greetings,

I'm letting you know in advance about a meeting I'd like to invite you to regarding the Universal Code of Conduct and the community's ownership of its future enforcement. I'm still in the process of putting together the details, but I wanted to share the date with you: 26 June, 2021. I do not have a time on this date yet, but I will let you soon. We have created a meta page with basic information. Please take a look at the meta page and put your name under the appropriate section.

Thank you for your time.--BAnand (WMF) (talk) 15:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding translationadmin to GS[edit]

I would expect that to be a fairly uncontroversial change, since translationadmin is needed to, for instance, delete pages created by the Translate extension. My proposal would be hence to bundle all of the rights that translationadmin have to global sysops. Leaderboard (talk) 11:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Ofcourse this would be no big deal. But I don't see any reason to do so, we have only few wikis where translation extension is enabled and they have local translation-admins to handle the stuff. Please correct me if I'm missing something. -- CptViraj (talk) 15:07, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
@CptViraj: It may be true that only a few wikis use Translate, but they comprise GS-enabled wikis such as MediaWiki.org and Wikimania. Even if local translationadmin users are there, I think it would help for global sysops to be able to handle these stuff - after all, it's something that a regular admin can do (by promoting themselves to translationadmin) - only that global sysops do not have access to Special:UserRights. Leaderboard (talk) 10:38, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Disagree, not necessary, in fact it is totally disrespecting those communities and their rights to manage their affairs. As a global sysop I should not be doing any such thing. Stop trying to recreate the wikiworld in your own vision, there is nothing broken here.  — billinghurst sDrewth 13:17, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: I don't think global sysops can delete this page, can they? Leaderboard (talk) 14:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
  • I'm not convinced this is needed, the example project called out, mw, has 29 bureaucrats that can grant this to any of their users as needed (not to mention 167 sysops that can maintain that project already). — xaosflux Talk 13:31, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
    @Xaosflux and Billinghurst: I'm confused. You're saying on the basis of autonomy, but I don't get how this is any different from a global sysop deleting a regular page. To xaosflux's comment, global sysops are free to, and operate regularly there, so I'm not getting your concern either. Leaderboard (talk) 13:57, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
    I am sorry that you are confused. I will keep it simpler. "No, not a good idea." There is no requirement for this.  — billinghurst sDrewth 14:01, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
    mwwiki has so many admins and crats, they really shouldn't be in need of GS's to come help with this odd feature. Also the translate extension is so rarely deployed, and I can't think of any projects that have it that don't have the ability to add translateadmin to anyone they would like to help in this area - it is certainly not a standard component of assisting small wiki's that don't have the community to support local sysops. — xaosflux Talk 14:40, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
    I can only speak for myself, but I think most mediawiki.org users/admin/crats appreciate anyone who cleans up spam/vandalism regardless of whether they're using local or global powers. If someone needs more rights to do that on mediawiki.org and is generally trusted in Wikimedia, please ask. I think it would also be useful if we could split whichever right allows one to delete translatable pages a bit further so it would be possible to grant just that right to local + global sysops instead of the full translation admin package, which seems unnecessary. Legoktm (talk) 06:11, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
  • I don't think it isn't necessary for global sysops. On Mediawiki and Wikimania wikis have translations namespaces and I think there are enough users to deal for them. If you are experienced, on Wikimania wikis bureaucrats they add the translationadmin right easily for you. I'm not sure if that's still this process. --Uncitoyentalk 17:51, 30 June 2021 (UTC)