Talk:How to deal with Poles
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- Talk:How to deal with Poles/Archive 1 (30 September 2004 - 9 November 2007)
Humour is a cultural phenomenon. Different nations laugh at different things, especially along the linguistic lines. I made a series of improvements to this article in order to reflect that fact. And, although I do not live in Poland, I’m 100% Polish, and have a strong sense of humour in both Polish and English. I consider the previous discussion about this article to be less relevant now after a deep and thorough copyedit. That’s why I’ve saved it in an archive. You’re welcome to reflect on the new changes of course. --Poeticbent talk 18:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is a smear against an entire group of people...
... namely, against any Wikipedian who happens to have a dispute with a Pole (by the way, I have never actually had one, but I have read some). All that this article says is that Polish wikipedians are (at least mostly) good and smart, and that they (at least mostly) suffer from (at least mostly) evil and stupid non-Polish wikipedians in the various disputes and edit wars that they engage in (to a greater extent than the reverse occurs). On the one hand, every one of the complaints in the article could be made, occasionally on good grounds, also by Croats, Serbs, Albanians, Estonians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Romanians, Ukrainians or any other nation engaged in similar disputes; thus, singling Poles out makes no sense, except as a way of implying, egocentrically, that exactly Poles happen to be the most common or unjustly affronted victim of such arguments, just as Mother Poland is supposedly the one and only most "raped and crucified" (quoting a previous editor) country. On the other hand, if you look at the actual complaints, they may in many cases be regarded as misrepresenting the opponent and using a straw man that's good of all occasions:
1.number one suggests that there is an unusually great number of prejudiced people arguing against Poles (implying that there are significantly less extremely prejudiced Poles arguing against other people),
2.number two, while a funny in-joke, is not a satire of anything;
3.number three suggests that opponents of Poles tend to be impolite more than, say, Poles do;
4.number four implies that Poles are not frequently nationalists (this is rubbish, of course, almost any nation and especially any East European nation - I'm saying this as an East European - has a very strong tradition of nationalism)
5.number five will occasionally apply to everyone, it's stupid to suggest that it is exceptionally or prototypically characteristic of opponents of Poles (and never, god forbid, of Poles themselves)
6.number six implies that Polish authors won't tend to have a pro-Polish bias (yes, they will; in the same way, I wouldn't use a Greek, Bulgarian or Macedonian author as a neutral source on Macedonia, a Serbian, Croatian or Bosnian author for the Yuogslav wars etc.),
7.number seven - like number five;
8.number eight - just like number four, it implies that a certain accusation is always wrong, while it might in fact be true in some cases. It is a fact, in a way, that within certain controversial areas, all or most editors from a nation belong to a single POV-warring team of sorts.
9.number nine - just an extension of number eight. The phenomenon can't be forbidden, but it's real and irritating, and common in all topics of national disputes; although the problem is not the "flocking" itself, but the mindless, automatic POV warring, where even real, intelligent, educated editors behave as more or less sophisticated sockpuppets of the Fatherland.
I'm not coming back to discuss this, because while I was unwise enough to spend some time writing it, I absolutely can't afford a long discussion, much less a hysterical quarrel with (more or less overtly) patriotic souls of any nation.--220.127.116.11 23:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with you. This text isn't funny and I don't like it.--Sylwia Ufnalska 06:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Unless the title is coincidence, I believe this is intended to be a play on words, playing on "polls are evil". Hence I've moved it back because the pun's worth is ENTIRELY lost otherwise.
If it's a matter of offense, there's no reason for it; there's also a page that say that friends of gays shouldn't be allowed to edit, another joke page, though I forget the exact title. It's all in good fun, and I don't think anyone here thinks that Polish people are really evil. Miltopia 00:54, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's Friends of gays should not be allowed to edit articles you're thinking of. ~Kylu (u|t) 19:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Put this in userspace
This may be more appropriate in userspace. --Emesee 21:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with you--Sylwia Ufnalska 06:06, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
For a brief moment there I thought you were one of those self-hating Poles who think hating on everything and anything Polish makes them "cool" and perhaps even gets them a cookie from Westerners ;). But thank Zeus, you're not and this was a great read. Your "guide" is hilarious but alas, my personal experience on the internet prevented me from fully enjoying it as it is simply too true. I will direct people here from now on whenever my views are disregarded offhand solely because of my ethnicity (which doesn't happen that often, but it shouldn't happen at all).
I don't really understand why such a disgusting and intellectually deviated website as 4chan should create opinions on anything or anyone. 18.104.22.168 15:37, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I have been a Wikipedian for 10 years (and counting). I edit a number of articles about Poland and the region. Still, I find this page NOT to be funny, useful or otherwise. Let me know when there is another voting round for deleting it, so that I can add my YES vote thereto. Zezen (talk) 20:53, 7 February 2017 (UTC)