Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia movement/2018-20/Working Groups/Capacity Building/Recommendations/1

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Question[edit]

What is meant by "Building Capacity for Capacity Building"? Either this is poorly phrased, or a tautological statement. Either case, it makes no sense. -- Llywrch (talk) 22:04, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Llywrch, I didn't write that, the Working Group members did, but I think I get their point. Any capacity building is about education. According to the WG members, we need to find people and create processes and resources to provide such education. This is recursive: every teacher was a student once. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 23:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Llywrch, Bootstrapping? (my interpretation). · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 11:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
train the trainer. Slowking4 (talk) 11:17, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The explanation given below suggests far more than just training the personnel who would be the next generation instructors. Building the infrastucture is mentioned. Training the trainers is an important part of the proposal, but by no means the whole thing. I find the original title quite reasonable in conjunction with the bullet pointed list of components, but it would appear that it is not clear to others. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:11, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Answer[edit]

please read the detail of the recommendation, which should answer your question. In short, in order to facilitate the building of capacities with people, groups and organizations in the movement, we first need to build a few capacities at the movement level.--Nicola Zeuner (WMDE) (talk) 12:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I'll overlook your condescending tone, & state here that my intent was to point out the wording of this title is awkward & unhelpful. It's apparent that many people both reading & writing this page are not fluent, let alone native, English speakers. So to express ideas here simply & clearly is of primary importance. And even if I read the text of the recommendation I may not properly understand what the title is supposed to say, & despite being fluent in my native language I may only compound the obscurity of the title. -- Llywrch (talk) 14:59, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
@Llywrch: thank you for the feedback, apart from Nicola's feedback, I want to provide you a brief version of the capacity building 10 recommendations - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Capacity_Building_One-Pager_for_Wikimania.pdf . You can see we have changed the "Building capacity for capacity building" into "Building the base" with a visual aid there. What our group wants to describe is to create basic infrastructure (e.g. terminology, toolbox, a common description for all Wikimedia movement capacity building related topics). I hope the one-pager makes more sense to you. Thanks in advance --Liang(WMTW) (talk) 20:41, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
"Building the base" makes a more sense & quicker understanding than "Building Capacity for Capacity Building". As long as the section is changed to that, I consider that issue settled. -- Llywrch (talk) 20:56, 14 August 2019 (UTC)