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Latest comment: 6 months ago by MFischer (WMF) in topic Standstill?
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mark for translation, please @RamzyM (WMF)? Denis Barthel (talk) 20:59, 20 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Let me add this to my to-do list! :) RamzyM (WMF) (talk) 02:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Denis Barthel: I've marked it for translation, apologies for taking a bit of time to do it. Feel free to translate it. Cheers, RamzyM (WMF) (talk) 11:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Latest comment: 6 months ago3 comments2 people in discussion

I was looking at this page, because the training materials would actually be rather essential if we want the universal code of conduct to work properly. We can't expect people (who often are not native speakers) to just read a dense text and understand it right away.

All three modules are currently primarily a large lump of text (I haven't carefully read through them, mostly scanned), and are also marked as 'draft' only. They have effectively not been edited for months, and the most recent edits were reverts.

So I have a few questions:

  • Are there any plans to certify this training as 'finished product' in the short term? If not, maybe we shouldn't advertize it as much.
  • What is the quality of the current modules as a textual product?
    • Is it correct/accurate?
    • Does it add value beyond the plain text of the UCoC?
    • Is it accessible to a broad audience?
    • Are the exercises sufficiently worked out to be useful to people without background knowledge?
    • Are the exercises helpful to achieve the learning goals?
  • Are there any plans to convert it to a different learning style, given that not everyone learns-through-text?

If these are a good final product, lets think about how to certify them as such. If they are not, lets think about how to get there.

I am just reflecting, and please don't take this as criticism to any individual. However, as a movement, we should acknowledge when an essential piece of infrastructure is not being produced, and perhaps use other resources to get there. For example, I could imagine that someone could try to find a suitable societal partner with the educational background necessary to craft these training documents, and submit a small grant request to make this happen. Effeietsanders (talk) 10:40, 23 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

@MFischer (WMF) and RamzyM (WMF): Courtesy ping as the primary editors of these modules. Effeietsanders (talk) 10:42, 23 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Effeietsanders Thank you for the thoughtful reflection. There is active work underway. WMF staff are currently collaborating with the U4C to review and refine the existing modules, with the aim of improving clarity, scope, and internal consistency. The initial focus has been on ensuring accuracy, alignment with the UCoC text, and clarity of intent, before moving on to broader structural or pedagogical changes. As a result, visible on-wiki edits may understandably seem limited or incremental at this stage. You're also right that text-heavy modules may not work equally well for everyone. Whether these materials should remain primarily text-based, be supplemented with additional formats, or be reworked with professional instructional design support is an important and open question. Thank you for raising this at this point in the process; it’s a timely and valuable conversation to have as the revision work continues. MFischer (WMF) (talk) 12:05, 2 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
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