User:Thogo/Archiv/2008/II

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This is an archive of closed discussions. Please do not edit here. If you want to continue a thread listed here, just start a new one on my regular talk page. Thank you.

Sysop permission on Fa Wikt[edit]

Dear Thogo,

Although I have no objections about giving Mardetanha sysop permissions on Persian Wiktionary, I find the reasoning inappropriate (link). The voting linked there consists of only three support votes; it was held less than one complete week even, while on most wikis a two week period is typical for RfAs; also, two of the three support votes where made by accounts which were only created a few days before RfA took place. This is not an example of an RfA based on which a permission should be given, in my eyes.

So in the end, if you found that you gave the permission with a reasoning other than the linked RfA, I guess the permission should be given only temporarily; alternatively it can be revoked and given again, when a correct, successful RfA is available. Huji 22:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

it was complete one week. and you RC page for 500 hunderd recent change .and active and in active users--Mardetanha 22:34, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

On most wikis it's one week. There was an election for bureaucrat already which has 3:0 votes. So there is no reason not to grant sysop access. But if you mind, I can make it temporary until the end of the regular RfA. (Yes check.svg Done) --Thogo (talk) 06:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thogo i think it was regular election and at least two voters had right to vote.and you have said some friend over there which can userstand persian.you can ask them .so please as we talked on IRC make it premanent.--Mardetanha talk 06:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Please give a link to the election page. --Thogo (talk) 07:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC) p.s. *cough* Could you please make your signature much smaller, thank you.
sure you can find it here. --Mardetanha talk 08:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, Yes check.svg Done --Thogo (talk) 09:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks :) Huji 18:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Sysop on ang.wikiquote[edit]

Thanks for helping out there! I do appreciate it. I'll work more on wikiquote over the weekend and bring it into Englisc as it should be. --James

Np. I don't even remember... Btw., if you want to translate the MediaWiki stuff into "ang", please do *not* do that on the wiki itself, but on Betawiki so that it can be used globally on all wikis if you set your preferences to "ang". --Thogo (talk) 16:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Amtshilfe[edit]

Auf ru:Википедия:Запросы к администраторам#Моя блокировка в турецкой Википедии hat Александр um Hilfe gebeten. Da ich kein Türkisch kann, aber einen Vielsprachler kenne, habe ich an Dich gedacht ;-) Thogo, schau mal bitte, ob Du helfen kannst. tr:Kullanıcı:Александр wurde auf tr dauerhaft gesperrt und weiß nicht, warum. Außer dem Setzen einer Interwiki hat er sich nichts zu Schulden kommen lassen. --Obersachse 08:32, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Hat sich erledigt. Der Admin hat mir erklärt, dass auf tr nichtlateinische Benutzernamen verboten sind. --Obersachse 12:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Da's so gemütlich ist auf Deiner Disk, Thogo, etwas Tee :) Complex 21:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Na das klingt ja nach "Spaß mit SUL". Ich guck mal nach, ob ich auf den koreanischen Wikis schon gesperrt bin, nicht, dass die "nicht-nicht-lateinische" Benutzernamen verbieten. --Complexus 13:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 :-) Aber mal ganz im Ernst, eine gewisse Logik kann ich den türkischen Regeln nicht absprechen. Kannst Du z.B. die (fiktiven) Benutzer АНАТОР und AHATOP auseinanderhalten? Kleiner Tip: der erste Name besteht aus kyrillischen Buchstaben. Ein ähnlichen Chaos ist denkbar, wenn sich ein paar Chinesen streiten. 会包括 und 会的涉 werfen 全部邮 Vandalismus vor, aber 元维基 verteidigt ihn. Ja, und dann gibt es ja noch Schriften, die zeigt mein Computer nur als Quadrate an. Da kann man nur hoffen, daß die Nichtlateiner alle schön zu Hause bleiben. --Obersachse 21:08, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Schon klar. Aber es ist glaubich trotzdem keine so gute Idee, in Angesicht von SUL solche Probleme per starrer Policy in einem Projekt so zu lösen. Wird wohl dann doch eher selten passieren, dass sich vier Chinesen auf de streiten, die Edits werden sich ja wohl höchstens eher auf Interwiki-Links setzen und Typos in China-Artikeln korrigieren beschränken. АНАТОР/AHATOP und andere UTF8-Spielchen sind ein anderer Fall - wenn's ein klarer Verwechselungsaccount ist, wird er halt gesperrt. Hier ist übrigens eine etwas eingeschlafene Diskussion zu dem Thema. --Complex 21:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Ja, Prost dann auch. --Thogo (talk) 12:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Der Tee war doch schon kalt! --Obersachse 19:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Macht nix, Tee schmeckt auch kalt. --Thogo (talk) 20:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Np. --Thogo (talk) 09:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Löschung[edit]

Hallo Thogo, könntest Du die Seite Wikimedia Deutschland/Spenden bitte löschen? Sie wird nirgendwo verlinkt, ist unnötig und enthält Informationen, die nicht mehr aktuell sind. Herzlichen Dank im voraus, --Frank Schulenburg 16:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Erledscht. --Thogo (talk) 17:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Vielen herzlichen Dank. --Frank Schulenburg 07:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

test[edit]

Hi Thogo, can you give bureaucrat and sysop right as before? :) thanks a lot --.snoopy. 17:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done --Thogo (talk) 06:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Bot request for SaltinbasBot[edit]

Why don't you ask Dbl2010? He is bureaucrat there. --Thogo (talk) 19:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, he is away. We can not get reply from him.--Saltinbas 17:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Did you try emailing? --Thogo (talk) 22:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
No I did not. Should I?--Saltinbas 06:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, please. Since he is a steward he will probably be available. --Thogo (talk) 09:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I have sent e-mail to Dbl2010 but got no reply. Could you please approve the bot.--Saltinbas 17:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Ok, done. --Thogo (talk) 22:59, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks.--Saltinbas 19:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Pśedłoga:Grajkanišćo auf dsbwp[edit]

Hallo, Thogo. Ich habe gerade in der niedersorbischen Wikipedia eine Vorlage (wikipedia:dsb:Pśedłoga:Grajkanišćo) gefunden, die hier komischerweise im Artikelnamensraum gelistet wird. Läßt sich das irgendwie beheben? Komisch ist nur, daß sie auch im richtigen Namensraum (Pśedłoga) auftaucht. Außerdem steht in der Liste auch noch der Artikel wikipedia:dsb:Pomoc:Nowy bok spisaś, der aber gar nicht existiert und im richtigen Namensraum (Pomoc) auch nicht gelistet wird. Hoffentlich läßt sich da was machen :-(. Gruß --Tlustulimu 07:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Hm... Also ich selber kann da nix machen, ich hab mal im Tech-Kanal gefragt, mal schauen, ob die das hinkriegen. --Thogo (talk) 16:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Hallo Thogo. Schade, aber es ja schon einmal gut, daß du die Techniker gefragt hast. Ich nehme mal an, daß das Problem durch die Umbenennung der Namensräume zustande gekommen ist. Viele Grüße --Tlustulimu 19:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Ja, scheint wohl so... Vielleicht gehts, wenn ihr die Seite irgendwohin verschiebt und wieder zurückverschiebt? --Thogo (talk) 21:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Danke für den Tip. Ich habe gerade mal nach Pśedłoga-:Grajkanišćo verschoben und dann nach Pśedłoga:Grajkanišćo. Der Eintrag im Artikelnamensraum ist leider dringeblieben. Was nun? Viele Grüße --Tlustulimu 14:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Hm, am besten, du fragst direkt mal die Leute, die sich auskennen, also die auf #wikimedia-tech im IRC. Ich hab auch keine Idee, was man noch versuchen könnte, ohne dass die Shell-Admins da ranmüssen. Ich hab mal w:dsb:Pomoc:Nowy bok spisaś angelegt mit einem Löschantrag, kannsts ja mal löschen. --Thogo (talk) 14:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Das ist ja sehr komisch. Die Löschung hat nichts gebracht. Der Fantomeintrag im Artikelnamensraum ist noch da. Vielleicht liegt es ja an irgendeinem unsinnigen Datenbankeintrag, der durch die Umbenennung der Namensräume im Januar entstanden ist. - Die Techniker müßte ich aber wohl in Englisch fragen, oder? Viele Grüße --Tlustulimu 15:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Ja, Englisch verstehen die alle. Wenn du JeLuF erreichst, der kann auch Deutsch. --Thogo (talk) 15:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Ich habe mir gerade Chatzilla für Firefox installiert. Jetzt weiß ich nicht, wie ich auf die richtige Seite komme. Bis bald --Tlustulimu 17:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

About the User Kyoko vandal on French Wikinews.[edit]

Thanks for all. I've renamed the two insultant accounts (Kyoko…). See here :-). --Bertrand GRONDIN – Talk 17:21, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Same on French Wikiquote, as you might have seen already. ;) --Thogo (talk) 17:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
It's done now. --Bertrand GRONDIN – Talk 18:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again. :) --Thogo (talk) 18:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for admin[edit]

Can you exactly explain to me what I've to do? Thank you very much. f.noceti

You should link to the election on lij wikipedia, where the community decided to have you as sysop. The link that you gave doesn't work. Thanks. --Thogo (talk) 21:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Admin[edit]

Me son inscrïto pe divegnì Ammenestratô. O mæ intento o l'ê de mette ordine innansi tutto in-ta grafîa, insemme a di esperti di grafîa offiçiâ zeneize, primma in-ta homepage e da peu in-te tutte e atre pagine. Votime pe piaxei. F.noceti

Hm? Please try English or any other language that you see on my user page. --Thogo (talk) 20:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Khmer pedia[edit]

By the way, they only have one crat unless I have done that wrong. Regards. Woody 22:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I was wrong, it seems to have changed now that I have logged in there. Thanks again for your help. Woody 22:24, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry[edit]

I am admin at Lithuanian Wiktionary. At 15 May 2008 I made request in meta that wikt:lt:User:RobotGMwikt get a bot flag on the Lithuanian Wiktionary, but till now this bot status is not made. Bot was very active and yesterday in evening I needed block this bot. Please made bot flag for this bot. Thank you! --Vpovilaitis apt. 06:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Seems to be done already. Sorry, due to the mass requests it might happen that one or the other does not come through. --Thogo (talk) 09:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion[edit]

The two week time has not changed --Herby talk thyme 08:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Nobody sticks to this rule as you see with the other closed RfDs on this page. And I prefer not to stick blindly to nonsensical rules that are not even approved by community consensus. So please stop bothering me all the time when I delete a page some days before your 2 weeks are over if there is a 100% consensus of a significant amount of people! I will not give up thinking just because there is a stiff rule that doesn't allow any space for common sense. It's simply wasting space and time to let another 10 people write "delete per whatever" there. On dewiki things are done much less bureaucratic, that's why it works so good. And I will not let the mistake made on Meta that was made on enwiki, namely to be overbureaucratic. Please accept that not all people on Meta are from enwiki. Thank you. --Thogo (talk) 09:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I am not from en wp. I prefer to respect the views of projects I work on rather than impose the views of other projects. Others stick with the rule, my views on users are determined by their actions --Herby talk thyme 09:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
en.whatever. Projects don't have views. Only people have it. And there seems to be no consensus among the people about this "rule", since nobody on RfD abides by it as you can easily check yourself calculating the days between opening and closing. But this discussion was done already several times and doesn't lead to anything, so this will be my last post on this topic. If you feel that we should have a fixed and stiff rule that says that people must wait exactly two weeks, then please open a voting and let the community approve this. Otherwise it's only a recommendation, not a rule. I normally follow recommendations if they sound reasonable, but I will not follow recommendations if common sense says something else. I'm done with this now. --Thogo (talk) 10:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

ve:User:Rémih[edit]

Lieber Thomas,

könntest Du die genannte Seite wiederherstellen? Ich hatte sie offenbar irrtümlich gelöscht, nun hat mich der Ersteller um Wiederherstellung gebeten, aber ich war dort nur Temp-Admin und das ist schon lange abgelaufen. Vielen Dank im Voraus! --Johannes Rohr 17:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

erledigt. --Thogo (talk) 18:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Danke! --Johannes Rohr 20:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Ja, ja[edit]

Schon klar, Meister, mach ich nicht nochmal. Aber nimm dir zehn Minuten und ein paar Minuten und schau dir den Edit in Ruhe an. :-)--Missionar 17:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Nö, interessiert mich absolut nicht, was du der Welt mitzuteilen hast. --Thogo (talk) 18:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Ich hatte es nicht der Welt mitzuteilen, sondern Leuten wir Dir, um ein kleines Lächeln auf ihr Gesicht zu zaubern und da du so arrogant klingst wie ich, bist du ganz sicherlich nicht die Welt. Guten Tag, der Herr!--Missionar 18:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

iuwiki flag[edit]

Don't worry, I have the flag already :)

On another note, I fixed a few words on your french user page, hope you don't mind.

DarkoNeko 05:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. :) --Thogo (talk) 10:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

MediaWiki Translation (rowikiquote)[edit]

I already have an account but I see that those people from BetaWiki are not serious... I made a commit request 4 days ago but nobody did anything. --Firilacroco 12:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, be patient. ;) They do other work as well. Maybe write Siebrand a mail. If he isn't on vacation accidentally, he will do whatever is necessary. --Thogo (talk) 12:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
You already have translator status since 4 days, [1], thanks, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 12:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Maltese WIkipedia[edit]

Dear Thogo,

I'm a Maltese wikipedian, currently working on the maltese wikipedia. Currently the maltese wikipedia has 3 sysops. Srl an administrator and bureaucrat on the Malta wikipedia for the past 3 years is unable to speak the native maltese language and can’t contribute to the project.

With so little administrators we can hardly work, besides the interface translation is totally wrong and for example save page he translated it to salva paġna.. but in maltese salva means help. Srl hasn't given a contribution since 6th February 2008: [2]

Now when I address the situation in the project’s talk page, no administrator is answering me. Besides i addressed an issue to the administrators here – [3] and no administrator is answering me. Basically what I wrote is the current situation that I explained above and that I was willing to write an article on the newspaper to increase awareness about the project.

What I’m asking you to do practically is to remove srl as an administrator & bureaucrat and give me temporary access sysop to translate the interface properly meanwhile and run the rfa process since applications are being submitted and they are remaining there.. no admin is dealing with them.

Thanks & sorry to disturb you

--Giangian15 00:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

No, the interface should not be translated on the wiki itself. Please make an account on betawiki: and ask for translator status (maybe ask Siebrand, he is mostly available). There you can translate all the messages correctly and then you can use these messages on all Wikimedia projects (after a while when the data is transferred which needs some days). Of course you must let someone delete the "local" MediaWiki pages with the wrong texts, as soon as these pages are replaced by global pages from betawiki. (You might want to delete them yourself, and you can then request temp sysop rights on SRP.) Removing rights can not be done just on request, there must be a community decision (voting) to remove his rights. Best regards, --Thogo (talk) 09:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

lb wiki[edit]

Dear Thogo, I understand that Millosh has entrusted you with the Cornichong case at the lb wiki. I further that such bureaucrat and sysop (rights currently suspended) has deleted hundreds of pictures at the lb wiki. These were pictures uploaded by himself, but licenced corrctly according to the lb wiki rules, so even he as author has no right to claim and effect the deletion. Especially not without dicsussion, as I further understand he did this when the rest of Europe sleeps so that all the other users at lb wiki will get a bad surprise when they wake up. Millosh, again thanks atv this place for having stopped the senseless deletion vandalism from the lb bureaucrat. Everybody can have a bad day, but bureaucrats should be above this and not have such actions, especially not when in their time zone nobody can check them.

Hallo Thogo, ich bin Admin auf der lb:Wiki und habe vorhin eben das nächtliche Bilder-Schlachtfeld vorgefunden. Ich habe lb:user:cornischong gebeten, auf lb:wikipedia:De_Stamminet eine Erklärung für seinen Amoklauf anzugeben. Ich halte Dich auf dem Laufenden, auch wenn ich selber, da ich tagsüber einer bezahlten Tätigkeit nachgehe, nicht immer gleich reagieren kann. lb:user:zinneke / --Zinneke 08:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Hallo, Cornischong hat mir eine lange Mail geschrieben und erklärt, warum er die Bilder gelöscht hat. Wäre gut, wenn ihr alle heute abend mal auf #wikimedia-stewards im IRC kommen könntet (am besten nach 18 Uhr, vorher bin ich nämlich nicht da). Dann kann man das etwas direkter besprechen. --Thogo (talk) 09:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Ich (und wahrscheinlich andere technisch nicht so versierte Admin-Kollegen) habe keinen Zugang zu IRC. Vielen Dank im voraus, die wichtigsten Ergebnisse im lb:wikipedia:Stamminet zu posten, da nur so eine transparente Diskussion möglich ist. Auch die oben zitierte längere Mail wäre hinsichtlich einer transparenten Diskussion interessant, allgemein zugänglich gemacht zu werden (mit Zustimmung ses Autors, wohlgemerkt).

--Zinneke 17:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Zugang zum IRC? Hier gehts lang. Einfach Freenode.net als Server in dem Drop-Down-Menü ganz oben auswählen und #wikimedia-stewards (oder einen anderen Kanal) eingeben und los gehts. ;) Ansonsten warte ich immer noch auf Antwort von Cornischong. --Thogo (talk) 07:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)